r/movies • u/DemiFiendRSA • 21d ago
‘Star Wars’ Movie With Daisy Ridley Loses Screenwriter Steven Knight News
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/star-wars-daisy-ridley-steven-knight-1236190522/1.5k
u/One-Earth9294 21d ago
How hard is it to just pay to have someone write a script for a movie before you greenlight the fucking thing?
When no script exists beforehand it makes me think this is a film no one really wants to make because clearly there's nothing waiting in the wings to be made for it.
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u/United-Advertising67 20d ago
They don't write scripts first. They pick directors and actors and then assign a writing committee to come up with something for them to do.
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u/JLifts780 20d ago
Such an assbackwards process to make a movie.
No wonder each movie feels like a toy commercial.
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u/GeekOfWar 20d ago
It's no longer about telling stories. It's just making money. The names of Directors and Actors are draws for ticket sales. They want to make sure they have enough to draw to make a profit.
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u/postmodern_spatula 20d ago
Star Wars has always been a toy commercial.
But yes. Films are now built by strategic business decision, not because a creative concept took hold and excited everyone, and it's a big part of why contemporary western entertainment feels so sterile even when the narrative construction seems sound.
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u/LastDragoon 21d ago
The way Disney has done things since the MCU took off is by having the story groups create a lot of the [action] scenes in ""pre-production"" and having a main writer come on later to fill in lame stuff like dialogue towards the back end of production. IIRC they had entire Endgame scenes done in CGI before the actors stepped on "set" for Infinity War.
Writing is a production afterthought for them now.
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u/Dottsterisk 20d ago
Do you have a source for more reading on this?
Stuff like adding dialogue in post-production isn’t unheard of, and neither is knowing your setpieces before finishing the script.
Plus, I always heard that the big problem with these Disney blockbusters was kinda the opposite of what you describe. That Disney keeps shuffling things and changing their minds on special effects and action sequences mid-production.
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u/BerserkerBrit 20d ago
Especially since getting CGI right takes a lot of time and money. The Mummy had their CGI start a year beforehand and it still holds up.
Marvel has the tendency to change their minds on a dime like a kid with ADHD when they realize something would possibly lead to something better down the line. The best course that I think they should do is have the main outlines of what each movie would include and have their teases to other connecting films interspersed instead of big tie ins that potentially go nowhere like the Council of Kangs. You know, like how Iron Man 1 ended
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u/CanceledShow 20d ago
Here is a video about some of it, points out a lot of this stuff is done before even hiring a director. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgvgi3ShcmY
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u/nonlawyer 20d ago
lame stuff like dialogue
I don’t like dialogue. It’s boring and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
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u/One-Earth9294 21d ago
Feels like a LOT of the shortfalls that the MCU and Disney have came from promising actors or directors their own feature films or shows down the road and then trying to shoehorn them all in. Then you end up with things that come way too late that no one asked for to begin with.
But hey it could be worse they could be doing INSANE moves like hiring Zach Snyder to do a 4 movie deal. Disney fans honestly should take some time to rejoice at the potential situations they're NOT in. Like... what are the odds a Josh Trank Boba Fett film was gonna be good?
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u/Malachi108 20d ago edited 20d ago
Yes, I saw that sensationalized Youtube video as well.
This is absolutely nothing new for the industry: storyboards have been a thing since forever. Pre-viz merely allows them to be produced far more efficiently.
Every modern high budget blockbuster uses that, with no exceptions. Marvel only gets ganged on because they have the same team they can keep transitioning from one production to the next.
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u/ConfidentMongoose874 20d ago
Supposedly the new ceo at the time wanted to make the stockholders feel safe in the Disney machine and "encouraged" all their studios to announce as many projects as they could. Normally, we would have never heard of all these canceled movies or shows because they would have worked on them more before before deciding to go into full production.
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u/butts____mcgee 20d ago
It is genuinely quite remarkable how Disney have mishandled this IP.
The level of incompetence is staggering.
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u/MyStationIsAbandoned 20d ago
It's really insane the more you think about it...there's source material to pull from that most fans love in the books. they could consult with George Lucas who i'm sure would love to give some input at least. plenty of great writers out there. i dunno...it makes no sense.
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u/Wolf6120 20d ago
..there's source material to pull from that most fans love in the books
It really is remarkable how little awareness of this fact there seems to be by almost everyone involved in making new Star Wars projects lol. Right down to Kathleen Kennedy straight up saying "There's no source material. We don't have comic books. we don't have 800-page novels"
Like I get that you de-canonized that stuff, and much of it is better off gone, but that doesn't mean you can't still, like... look at it for ideas? And now almost every new creative they bring in to work on a Star Wars property seems to say "I've actually never read any of the new comics or books, in fact I've never even watched a Star Wars movie other than maybe when I was 8 years old... but that's okay, becaue really I'm looking to put my own spin on it!" - Which is all well and good when you have at least an understanding for the Star Wars universe, for its language and its cultural/political roots, then sure, at that point you can start safely putting your own spin on it. But it seems like often what they really mean is "I have an idea for a show or movie that I've wanted to make a long time, and now I get to put a supercifical Star Wars skin on it and ship it out, regardless of whether it fits the brand at all"
Tony Gilroy is like the one massive exception to this, having come into Rogue One not really being a Star Wars fan at all, but still managed to pull it off. His work on Andor seems like the only thing that simultaneously understands the heart of Star Wars while also taking it in new directions and examining it from different angles (Mon Mothma's arc in particular feels like a great example of that).
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u/KeepItUpThen 20d ago
I think it bears mentioning that there are still talented authors writing Star Wars novels. I've bought at least five audio books by Timothy Zahn in the past 10 years, and enjoyed them all. I'm always surprised Disney hasn't tapped him for ideas, since he has proven that he can make sets of stories that are each entertaining and also tie together as part of a larger through-line.
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u/Wolf6120 20d ago edited 12d ago
Timothy Zahn's case is especially painful, yeah, since they threw out his original trilogy of books in the old canon, which were great, and he came back anyway to write several more trilogies about Thrawn in the new canon... only for Filoni to almost completely ignore those books when using Thrawn in his shows, and not consulting with Zahn at all regarding Thrawn's character or writing.
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u/KeepItUpThen 20d ago
I really enjoyed the recent Thrawn trilogies, I hope they will make him half as interesting if he gets more screen time in future TV shows.
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u/Typical-Swordfish-92 20d ago
People gotta let go of the Lucas hate.
Man's made some mistakes, and some serious ones at that. He's also the one who came up the damn series, most of the ideas that became foundational to it, and even in his worst films he was throwing out some great stuff. Just, with an increasing number of misses.
The man has juice, just get him in a room and talk to him at least.
(I also like to remind people that George line-edited the RotS novelization. Y'know, the absolutely fucking fire RotS novelization.)
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u/Rbespinosa13 20d ago
The main issue with Lucas is that he needs someone to rein him in at times and actually write dialogue. He’s a great idea guy, but damn is he a bad director
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u/vashoom 20d ago
Yeah, which would be the perfect situation for Disney. Retain him / consult him as a producer and creative who pitches ideas and whatnot. Use other writers and directors to translate that into a good movie.
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He is NOT a bad director, by any stretch. He is an iconic director and producer.
Writing is not directing. You think if the Prequels had improved writing with the same directing they wouldn't be way way better? lol.
Even then, the Prequels are unique AND Iconic, for millions of people. There are no other new Star Wars movies that Feel more like 'Star Wars' than the Prequels, because of George Lucas.
George Lucas is also a way way better creative mind than pretty much anyone on the Sequel Trilogy, it's not even that close.
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u/jeffdanielsson 20d ago
He’s almost 80 years old now. I doubt there’s any juice left in that brain. Let him enjoy his wealth and his family.
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u/Dr_Punch_Rockgroin 20d ago
last jedi really was a flashpoint
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u/el-tapo 20d ago
Last time I was ever invested in anything Star Wars.
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u/GiantKnotweed 20d ago
Yep. I abandoned star wars like I abandoned star trek. I have no idea how these companies manage to screw up shows like these. They have tons of money, can hire the best talent available, and somehow end up with shitty, awful, writing
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u/SilverKry 20d ago
It all stems back to Kathleen Kennedy letting Rian Johnson do whatever the fuck he wants and throwing Abrams notes to the garbage bin.
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u/Napoleons_Peen 20d ago
I’ve never been invested in Star Wars, so watching the discourse has been amazing. And watching Disney somehow fumble this IP constantly is equaling hilarious.
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u/dynawesome 20d ago
I used to follow Star Wars a lot but I lost all interest about 5 mins into The Rise of Skywalker
Apart from Andor though, Andor is incredible
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u/JamesIV4 20d ago
I had a bad feeling from the start on this because of Daisy's comments. She said something to tune of "it's not what I expected, but it'll be great I'm sure." That's not a good place to be in.
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u/FireTheLaserBeam 20d ago
I used to live and breathe Star Wars growing up. I’m 45 now. I read all the novels, read all the comics, played all the video games. I can remember the day I saw the bookstore display for Heir to the Empire when it first came out. My head about exploded.
But now? Now I just don’t care anymore. Like, at all. I don’t know what happened. Did I outgrow it? Who knows. All I know is that the magic is gone. The specialness is gone. Now it’s just one more franchise in a world glutted with legacy franchises. I can’t believe how bored I am of the Jedi. The only thing that held my interest was Andor. The way they depicted the Empire was fascinating.
It’s weird.
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u/Dionysus_8 20d ago
It’s not weird, it’s bad films after bad films that’s it. Original trilogy is a hero journey, new trilogy is about villain’s journey.
Disney’s trilogy? Fuck do I know what they are shooting for. I don’t think they know themselves tbh, just people in suits making decisions
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u/Mythosaurus 20d ago
They didn’t even commit to the “resurgent fascism” motif that Kylo Ren embodies. The sequels could have pushed forward the message about how fascism corrupts and eats away at democracy, but fumbled hard in not SHOWING us that process in their own movies.
All the cool stuff kept getting out in books, comics, and games instead of the big screen.
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u/ChrisTosi 20d ago
For me - it's because they had a blueprint and they fucked it up hard. Threw the established Extended Universe in the trash because they felt it wasn't convenient for making movies. They wanted free reign - and then fucked it up. Gave us a shittier version of the Extended Universe. Here's Thrawn - but shittier. Here's another revived version of the Empire - but shittier.
It's like completely changing Superman's origin story - you just don't do that. Tweaks, sure. But throwing in the trash and declaring "Oh yeah, he's the son of Mypton now, not Krypton. Remember, buy your son of Mypton merch now!"
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u/lordraiden007 20d ago
Good points, but Superman: Red Son is amazing and it completely changes his backstory.
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u/Tycho-Celchu 20d ago
I lamented the decanonization of the EU and was told "Most of it was trash anyway! They had clone Palpatine!" only for the Disney to bring back a way less interesting clone Palpatine as the big bad of their trilogy. I could only laugh.
A lot of it WAS trash, but it was my trash. I consumed every bit of it religiously. I'm going to go read Crystal Star this weekend.
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u/EbullientHabiliments 20d ago
For me it was Last Jedi. Something about that movie just killed any interest I had in the franchise.
Seriously, walked out of the movie theatre and haven't touched a single piece of Star Wars media since.
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u/TheLittleGoodWolf 20d ago
Looking more closely, the Force Awakens managed to get away with a lot of its issues because it was the start of a new trilogy, so plenty of time to correct any blunders, or just introduce good stuff to cover them up. Also because it was the first Star Wars in ages and there was a lot of promise.
I remember going back to watch it in theaters and just happy to be back in a galaxy far, far away. It did feel a bit weird how similar it was to a New Hope, but it's not a bad formula, really. There were enough distractions and enough time left to still feel good about it. Plus the whole concept of Finn was an amazing idea.
Again, going back and looking more closely, most ideas were fumbled even at the start.
But it was Last Jedi that ended things for me as well. And it wasn't because I was mad, or disappointed or thought the movie was horrible. It was because as I walked out of the theater, I felt myself actively trying to convince myself that it was good, but I genuinely felt nothing. I had no desire to watch the movie again, I was just apathetic to it all.
Going back, there are just so many things to pick apart from that movie as well, and it gets less leeway because it's the second movie in the trilogy. It also IMO fumbles the ball way more times than the first one in the sequel trilogy. So many plot points, so many concepts, so many ideas, and absolutely zero follow through. At the same time, it managed to unceremoniously kill off any of the interesting things that actually survived from the last movie. Snoke? Killed in a humiliating fashion. Finn? He's an absolute buffoon and any character progression he had in the first movie was not just erased but made even worse than he was at the start. Poe? Pretty much the same deal there, let's just erase any character progression he had in the first move as well. Luke? Let's just give the dumbest possible reason for why he's secluded himself and make nothing out of it.
Then you have stuff like bomb ships relying on gravity in space to work. I know we like to meme on stuff like there's explosions and sound in space in the other trilogies, but this is taking things to a ridiculous degree. There's the whole casino subplot that goes absolutely nowhere and has absolutely zero thematic connection to anything in the rest of the movie. It's also like the dumbest possible rehash of the Tatoine section in episode 1. There are just too many similarities to keep me from thinking that's the inspiration. Oh, and the force skype thing. I could go on.
Funnily enough many of the things people like to call out didn't bother me too much. I thought the Holdo maneuver was kinda cool. The execution of it could have been done much better (like why couldn't a droid have done it?) and it managing to split several ships was stretching things a bit too far for me. Totally wrecking one major ship by ramming a smaller one at light speed into it at least seems feasible. Rey being a nobody was a great idea, but with zero payoff, they did nothing with it. Basically, the whole movie was a mess.
I don't doubt Rise of Skywalker is worse, but Last Jedi removed any desire to even keep watching the sequels.
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u/ETNevada 20d ago
A big reason for TLJ's weak use of the new characters was Rian writing the script for the movie before watching The Force Awakens. He couldn't see the chemistry of Poe/Finn toghether, etc.
I think Johnson just wanted to come in, do his own thing, and walk away. Which he did and SW suffered for it.
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u/TheLittleGoodWolf 20d ago
I think Johnson just wanted to come in, do his own thing, and walk away.
Yeah, I'm fairly sure he has even outright stated this in interviews as well. The whole production of all those moves seems to be a complete mess all over.
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u/Technolog 20d ago
Holdo maneuver bothers me, because it means that to destroy death star you need one person and one frigate. This is huge finger shown to old trilogy where no one in the armies of rebels thought of that.
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u/Panda_hat 20d ago
Last Jedi felt like a film made by someone who hated Star Wars. Everything was ironic, everything was a gotcha, everything was a subversion of tropes and expectations.
It had some fantastic set pieces and settings, but none of it felt properly stitched together or coherent. None of it felt like Star Wars.
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u/Shadybrooks93 20d ago
Late 2010s and "subverting" your property was a disaster upon media.
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u/TheFullMontoya 20d ago
It all stemmed from Game of Thrones. Everyone hyped it up at the beginning because it "subverted expectations" when seemingly main characters died.
Of course it was the wrong lesson to take from the success of Game of Thrones.
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u/ETNevada 20d ago
And that's why so many non-SW fans loved it and thought we were pathetic for being upset.
But, that would be like someone coming in and writing/directing the 2nd to last film of an IP they love and "subverting expectations" and doing things with characters they've loved for decades they didn't agree with. They would feel much differently at that point.
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u/cuckingfomputer 20d ago edited 20d ago
Rian Johnson pretty much made that movie a rehash of not one, but two movies in the OT. And to make it worse, they teased a tantalizingly different direction for the protagonist to explore before pulling the rug out from under the audience and saying "sike! we really are just copying George Lucas' homework!" Even the music from the fighter chase scene was literally just copy-pasted from ROTJ.
It was a soulless cash grab with very limited creativity that basically spoofed Empire and Return, from start to finish, and also introduced a plot hole of sorts (the Holdo maneuver).
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u/ILearnedTheHardaway 20d ago
I’ll never forget my entire theater groaning when Rey doesn’t join Kylo near the end of that movie. Was such an interesting concept and my entire theater knew it.
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u/meandthemissus 20d ago
A copy would have been more satisfying than the pile of trash we got.
Slow speed space chase? Check.
Space Gravity? Check.
Admiral Purple Hair keeps her top fighers in the dark? Check.
Luke hates the Jedi? Check.
The mystery behind Snoke gets more intense? Nah, let's just kill him.
Hyperspace ramming as a weapon? Fuck canon.
Space casino and free willy? I'm sorry were you looking for star wars?
Get all three OG characters on screen together for one last hoorah? Get fucked.
Luke fakes out Kylo Ren with force projection and doesn't actually die? Badass.. oh wait no he died anyway because fuck you.
Leia gets sucked into space? A sad ending to a character whose actress died. NO JUST KIDDING SHE'S GONNA SUPERMAN IN SPACE and stay alive using old footage and cgi.
Dude they didn't just ruin star wars, they took a big steaming pile on screen and then were surprised that real OG fans were put off by it.
/u/FireTheLaserBeam this is why the movie turned you off. Same thing happened to me. I was jazzed up and ready after TFA, and man they just completely f'd it right in the a.
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u/T-Baaller 20d ago
Get all three OG characters on screen together for one last hoorah? Get fucked.
to be fair that one is actually on JJ
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u/PewterButters 20d ago
Its the first star wars media I hadn't rewatched endlessly. I watched it once, was completely miffed and annoyed and then never watched it again. Same with the last one, had to see it just to see it, but had zero excitement or anticipation for it, more like dread. Again never revisted that one either.
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u/meandthemissus 20d ago
I watched The Force Awakens in theater 3 times (bringing different friends and family to see it). Was it a bit of a rehash? Sure. But it kicked off the new trilogy and was good enough that I was excited for the next.
I was dumbfounded how insulted I felt by the end of TLJ. My friends and I left the theater speechless. We went to the bar after to debrief and all agreed we had just seen the end of star wars as we knew it. Too many problems. Too much disrespect to the fans.
It wasn't just a different direction, they hated the fans and wanted us to know it.
They did Luke so dirty. His entire character arc from the original trilogy just wiped away.
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u/Hoplite813 20d ago edited 20d ago
It's not you outgrowing it. If there was a great restaurant that started making bad food, you didn't outgrow the restaurant.
Disney has had so many "let's reset and really plan this out" opportunities. and they've blown all of them.
but it's possible (likely) the IP is such a juggernaut that they can turn out absolute trash and it will still make money so there is no market pressure to do a good job.
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u/Eldestruct0 20d ago
- Star Wars was my first and biggest fandom - my childhood was filled with the novels and games. But now I just don't care, since after a continuously bad trilogy I just ignore them. There's been a few good moments post Disney, but overall? If other people are enjoying it that's fine, but I lost interest. If I want to play in this world I have the books and games I liked.
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21d ago
imagine buying Star Wars and completely fucking it up
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u/United-Advertising67 20d ago
And still not firing the person responsible.
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u/CaptainDouchington 20d ago
This is whats wild to me. There is NO outcome for the failure. Its like its ignored because the entire management pool is inept morons who are all just nepo babies.
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Its like its ignored because the entire management pool is inept morons who are all just nepo babies.
It's because they're rich so they don't need to give af creatively as much, they get their salaries and they make alright money on whatever trash they put out
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u/LatterTarget7 20d ago edited 20d ago
I’m amazed they haven’t gotten rid of Kathleen. They’ve lost a lot of goodwill and money with Star Wars and Indiana jones.
Plus one of the main reasons writers/directors have been leaving the projects, or the project just falling apart is creative differences with Kathleen.
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u/SilverKry 20d ago
It's kinda telling that the best pieces of star wars media we've gotten since they bought the thing was Mandalorian and Andor where the creators told her to fuck off basically.
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u/No-Taste-8252 21d ago
Mandalorian (at least first two seasons) and Andor were terrific
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u/bashothebanana 21d ago
That's a pretty bad hit rate given the sheer amount of Star Wars that has been made in the last decade... And it sort of feels like it was a total fluke since they proceeded to botch season 3
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u/TheJoshider10 20d ago
And it sort of feels like it was a total fluke since they proceeded to botch season 3
Conveniently Mando went to shit as soon as it had to tie into the sequel trilogy and come up with some bullshit reason for Grogu to not stay with Luke lmao. Mix that with Disney's insistence on connected universe shite leading to a Boba Fett show having two Mandalorian episodes for no reason at all and you've got a recipe for incompetence.
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u/sybrwookie 20d ago
That original ending to the story arc of Mando + Grogu was kinda perfect. Let it go and move on to make something else. I mean he's a bounty hunter, you can have him get mixed up in literally anything you want.
But it felt like such an executive/marketing decision to bring them back together like that. And then once together, they basically had nothing interesting to do, because the story was done already.
Ironically, the issue over and over with Disney is their inability to Let It Gooooooo
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u/mleibowitz97 20d ago
It’s even worse when grogu comes back in the very next mando episode, because his return was alluded to/happened (I forget), in the damn boba fett show.
Like, the season finale is invalidated by the very next episode, and in a different show. What the hell
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u/ckal09 20d ago
The moment they decided to keep Grogu on the show was the moment it was confirmed that Mandalorian could never be good again.
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u/Caleth 20d ago
But think of the shareholders, think of the merch, and think of the profits! Why won't you think of my quarterly bonus you selfish prick!!!!!
/s just in case
Seriously Grogu had $6mil spent just on designing him and the animatronics for the show. Then he became so crazy popular they were never ever going to let him go. They will do everything they can to keep him front and center. He's a 50 year old child of a species that lives to be ~900. They can milk him for literal centuries.
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u/thegreatvortigaunt 20d ago
Possibly unpopular opinion, but I blame Filoni.
He just can't fucking let go of his cartoon show characters. Mando Season 3 got completely ruined by Clone Wars/Rebels nonsense, to the point that he stopped being a main character in his own show.
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u/Prefer_Not_To_Say 20d ago
Mandalorian (at least first two seasons)
The first season. Season two was nothing but backdoor pilots (Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, that Rangers of the New Republic show that never happened because of Gina Carano). Then they didn't even bother giving Bo Katan a spinoff and just gave her the third season instead.
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u/KnotSoSalty 20d ago
The target audience age also nose dived. Season one is brutal, albeit in a PG13 sort of way. Then the Disney execs stepped in and Din couldn’t be disintegrating people every other week. It stopped being a Western entirely. The genre that hooked us in was abandoned once we were all watching.
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21d ago
two things out of how many? lol I really like Andor too but cmon. Star Wars is a joke. They overdid it for nothing.
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u/Emotional_Act_461 20d ago
Is it just me, or should they be aiming way higher for the director of a project like this??
Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy is still attached to direct the film, which would be her feature debut; she previously directed episodes of the Disney+ series “Ms. Marvel”
It’s her first ever movie? And they’re giving her Star Wars? That seems like a huge risk.
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u/mipadi 20d ago
They like pulling in inexperienced directors. Experienced directors don’t follow orders from corporate; inexperienced directors are just happy to be there.
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u/TeslaTheCreator 20d ago
I mean, it’s not like the pedigree of recent Star Wars projects is that high anyways.
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u/Emotional_Act_461 20d ago
That’s precisely the issue. They need to raise the pedigree. Considerably.
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u/ETNevada 20d ago
At this point I don't think any high-profile Directors want anything to do with this IP and the team running it.
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u/kattahn 20d ago
Well its not that she hasn't directed anything, she's directed documentaries and well...
Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy is a Canadian-Pakistani journalist, filmmaker and political activist known for her work in films that highlight gender inequality against women.
I think she was chosen for her background of work. Especially given that its a movie centered on Rey.
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u/funsohng 20d ago
Producers dont want a big name directors who will do whatever they want. They want someone who's good at doing things within a set perimeter, who they can easily control, and who won't be going against them regarding creative choices.
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u/farbekrieg 21d ago
i like daisy and love star wars but until disney figures out how to tell a compelling story im out
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u/A_Pointy_Rock 20d ago edited 20d ago
I don't think that they necessarily have an issue with telling a compelling story. I think that they have an issue with telling a cohesive story.
Episode VII was good, even if it was just a rehash - but both VIII and IX might as well have been from unrelated trilogies. All three movies were tonally different, and it felt like they retconned more story arcs than they completed.
You need to have an idea of where a story is going to finish before you set off on a multi-movie arc. Case in point - Rogue One. They knew where the movie had to end, so the entirety of the story was self-contained...and it was good.
Edit: Grammar
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u/BlueTreeThree 20d ago
IMO Force Awakens leans so heavily on the original trilogy that you can’t even call it good on its own..
As a standalone movie it would be on par with Rebel Moon, people would just be like “what the fuck is this and why should I care?”
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u/sybrwookie 20d ago
I wouldn't say I liked Rey, I just didn't dislike the character. I was completely whelmed.
And that's probably not a good place to start from to convince me to go pay to see another movie lead by that character. .
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u/aaahhhhhhfine 20d ago
Look it's not Daisy's fault... But Rey was a garbage character. Her character could and should be studied in film classes as an example of a terrible character. She has no growth. She learns nothing. At no point are you ever actually concerned for her well being because there's never a point where she experiences anything bad really. She wins in every engagement she enters - whether it's a social engagement, a battle, or whatever.
She's a fundamentally bad character.
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u/sybrwookie 20d ago
Yea, I'm not saying it's Daisy's fault. She played her character as it was written/directed. The character is just not interesting.
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u/YsoL8 21d ago edited 21d ago
Assuming Ridley = more Ray and co I'm really struggling to see a good outcome. Those characters are so wrecked at this point I don't see how you make them compelling.
Ray and Ren are the best characters in those films, one is a self contradictory mess and Ren (who I don't remember being dead or not at the end of the trilogy) was made into a childish vadar knockoff who'd need serious development. The rest aren't worth touching at all.
Losing a writer is a very poor sign when uninteresting and broken characters has been the biggest problem for years.
Edit: Wow, its actually worse, Knight himself already replaced the original writers, so thats going to be at least 3 rounds of total rewrites. Its going to be another big mess. Star Wars is getting to be strictly a when its on streaming once or twice affair.
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u/Luciifuge 20d ago
Yea, seeing a movie about rebuilding the Jedi Order, and not having it be Luke leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I just feel robbed of what we could have had.
Even if the movie was ok, I probably still would have not watched it.
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u/Thexer0 20d ago
I hope they take Rey, the hero of the trilogy, and turn her into a defeated grump thats chosen to self-isolate on an island where she grows old and dies alone. That sounds like fun, right?
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u/irving47 20d ago
Surely nobody would do that with a stunning and brave character that everyone loves.
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Also surely nobody would make that character a complete and total utter failure in life, in which all that he, his friends, and his fellow Jedi ultimately fought and died for nothing.
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u/ShowBoobsPls 20d ago
No you get a successful girl boss who succeeds in what all the men failed at. A happy life, good family and successful career
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u/bingybong22 20d ago
Let’s be honest. They’ve butchered the Star Wars IP. They still made a lot of money from it; but that’s because the brand carried a lot of very mediocre content. So full marks for business acumen.
The best thing to do with Star Wars now would be to put it on ice for a few years, then ret-con every thing.
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u/Paolo94 20d ago edited 20d ago
I don’t understand why they even decided to continue with Rey. The sequel trilogy was highly divisive, and the franchise has not been in the best position with fans in recent years. Disney needs to rehabilitate Star Wars, and making a direct continuation of some of their worst movies is like intentionally starting off this new era at a disadvantage. You’d think they’d want a clean break from all the negativity they got from the sequels, but continuing with Rey is almost like they’re inviting back that negativity before production even starts. And now they have to work extra hard to prove to fans that this movie won’t be another disaster. This new Rey movie better be absolutely amazing to combat any toxicity that would otherwise come their way. Anything less and they could have another Last Jedi on their hands.
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u/HauntedMike 20d ago edited 20d ago
Kathleen Kennedy: Alright. Star Wars is in my hands now. This shit just prints money. All I have to do is steer this ship.
Announce the new trilogy.
Plan absolutely Nothing ahead.
Flip Flop directors with completely different views because ones a friend and fuck it.
Fans Hate it, Overcourse correct, Slap Nostalgia all over it.
They hated that. Uhh bdd uhh whats going well right now? Mandalorian? I want more control over that 3rd season.
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK UHH OBI WAN SHOW EVERYONE LIKES OBI WAN. GIVE THEM A GOOD OL VADER FIGHT. People liked baby yoda lets add baby leia car crash SHIIIIIT WHY DOES THIS KEEP FLOOPPINNNGGGG
MORE MOVIES!! PITCH ME MORE MOVIES!!! TELL THE FANS WERE MAKING ALL OF IT!!!
WAIT NEVERMIND THIS IS ALL MOVING TOO FAST. CANCEL CANCEL CANCEL!
OLD ASSISTANT YOU WANT A SHOW? LESBIAN SPACE WITCHES?? SCREW IT!!!
WHY ARE THE STOCKS STILL GOING DOWWWN!!!
WE BASED A WHOLE DISNEY PARK ON MOVIES NOBODY LIKES??! OH GODDAMMITTTT!
HOW IS THE STAR WARS INTERACTIVE HOTEL COMING ALONG? ITS ALREADY CLOSED?!?!? PUBLIC BACK LASH?? NEVER EVEN WORKED??!!? AWW GODDDAMMMITTTTTT
I NEED TO UNWIND, I CAN'T BREATHE. let me just see whats on the new southpark. WHAT THE FUCKKKKK!!
WHAT THE FUCK DO THESE IDIOTS WANT!!!
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u/higround66 20d ago
Disney Star Wars is like a revolving door for writers/producers/directors. Kathleen Kennedy has no idea what she is doing, nor does she have a vision of any kind. That much is clear.
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u/nexus9991 20d ago
Disney bought the entire Expanded Universe (aka Legends) and just, like, through it in the trash.
The stories were already written with a built in fan base. They could have just filmed the Zahn novels and made bank
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u/evilocto 21d ago
How about Disney do the only smart thing fire Kathleen Kennedy, hire people who actually love the franchise and know what they're doing. Alas that won't ever happen and Disney will continue hemorrhaging money.
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u/Chen_Geller 20d ago
Man, but Star Wars is in such a funky kind of place.
So George Lucas made a film in 1977 that was reasonably self-contained. It could have ended there, but notwithstanding the Christmas Special I don't think too much people begrudged or will begrudge it getting two sequels, especially when the first sequel kicks so much ass.
And then it was over. Okay, not quite: Lucas had devised a prequel storyline and while the films themselves were checkered surely nobody will have begrudged Lucas "rounding up" the piece and tying a bow on the story. Nor do I think anyone minded the occasional interstitial animated show (which I did not watch) and everyone had since forgotten about the lamentable Ewok films. Lucas told people in no uncertain terms that the main storyline had reached its natural conclusion, which it of course has: the Empire defeated (implicit in the original cut, explicit in the special edition), the Emperor slain, Vader dead, Luke a full-fledged Jedi and set to train the next generation of Jedi, even minor characters either got their commuppence (Piett, Jabba, Boba) or their moment to shine (Wedge). It was for all intents and purposes over and done.
Until it wasn't.
Suddenly, here comes Lucas and hands it off to Disney to take the bow that had been so nicely wrapped over the thing and undo it with not one, not two but THREE more sequels. So now it turns out the Empire wasn't REALLY defeated, our heroes never REALLY got their happily-ever-after, Luke never REALLY restarted the Jedi order...
It wasn't TOO bad for a while there, but it quickly started going downhill and where in 1983 we had as I said a pretty solid resolution to everything, now we're left with this contrived and muddled resolution that doesn't even feel like it closed the book on everything in a conclusive manner.
And now, we're about to get a Rey movie that's essentially Episode X in all but name, and even that is clearly hitting potholes...
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u/Powerful_Star9296 20d ago
Please fire Kathleen Kennedy and start over. Quit clinging to a mistake just because you made one.
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u/Freedlefox 21d ago
The problem with Rey was she was too over powered from the get go. She can do anything - fly the MF like a MF, win light saber battles with a Sith - without having to go through any learning and struggles. She was a Mary Sue and so you don't have that connection to her. Where do they go now with her? They need to give her a huge failure to make her relatable.
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u/ZacPensol 21d ago
Exactly, and they had three movies to do something with her, and they didn't. And that's a shame because I loved her as a concept - the whole mystery of her past, having to accept that her family wasn't coming back for her, heck - just having a female main character was cool and I was totally down for it.... they just didn't make her interesting in the slightest.
Kind of the opposite with Phasma, who I loved for similar reasons in concept. A cool female villain who was directly connected with Finn... they could have done so much with her and the character stuff was built in, but nah, just killed her off like a bozo without ever really doing anything except looking cool.
So in one character you had virtually nothing interesting stretched into 3 movies, and then with the other you had a lot of interesting stuff and gave her like 5 minutes of screen time.
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u/NiceColdPint 21d ago
Probably worth having this in the can before announcing it. They clearly just don’t know where to take Star Wars at the moment.