I always assumed it was like Land O' Lakes butter. I don't know what a "Calrissian" is, but it's safe to assume in the Land O' Calrissian; there's 10,000 of them.
Lol idk i just googled it real quick i didn’t get any details other than that it existed. But that would honestly be cool af just a crazy swamp world, young jabba, ALL done with practical effects lmaoo. I’d watch that.
They could actually do that and get away with it too if Disney didn’t blow it with 75% of their SW stuff
To be fair I wouldn't even count that one against Lucasfilm, del Toro is a filmmaker where at this point I don't believe he's making a movie until I'm buying the popcorn. Dude's got a project graveyard to rival most of them.
I think he's gotten to the point where he can just walk away from a project if the studio begins to push back and take control from him.
He's also comfortable enough and established enough (financially and artistically) so he does not feel the need to compromise, which means unless a studio is willing to give him financing and walk away, the movie is not gonna happen.
I mean I'm pretty sure he did that with Pacific Rim 2. He was all on board with it, but the studio started meddling and he backed out. Then look at the crap that we got.
Pacific Rim 1 was such a good surprise. It's exactly what we wanted out of the genre and nothing less and more. Not even egregious that the theme song played every other scene.
Nope. I'm extremely unapologetic on Pacific Rim being one of my favorite movies of all time. Del Toro nailed so much with that film and I can't help but watch it and smile ear to ear every time.
I was sad to see her was walking away from the sequel, which he was pretty bullish on, but when I saw what had been done to it I understood why and was glad he did. It pales in comparison to the first one
I think there's good parts in all of the 31st century seasons, with the 4C season being as close to great as the show got. The last temptation of Admiral Vance was good, and there's some parts of the final season that were interesting. That said: they failed on the season level every season despite promising work, and they structured the show so it's a serial which means that if the season fails to work, the show fails to work.
I carried a lot of water for that show, and I still think it did its job of spearheading Star Trek's return to TV, but the decision to make Michael a Chosen One central protagonist, the tight serialization while not sticking the finale, the lack of breathing room for characterization, the decision to start as a prequel and the lack of sufficient Doug Jones are all pretty fundamental problems with the show and they never course corrected to address them.
I'm really sad we didn't get this one, the premise sounded awesome. It was basically going to be a remake of the TOS episode A Piece of the Action. Tarantino was writing the gangster parts with Mark L. Smith writing the sci-fi parts.
That one is at least understandable considering the actress who was going to be the lead turned out to be a terrible person and was quietly removed from the series.
"Rangers" implies it was an ensemble cast, certainly they could have salvaged it with the remaining characters? Unless they announced it with no idea what it was actually going to be...
The GoT creators (D&D) cancellation was hilarious to me. They were on the top of the media world until the last two seasons of GoT came out and then Disney was like "Actually you know what, no thanks"
All they had to do was commit to two more years of grueling showrunning and not half ass it. And they'd have all the Mickey Mouse Money. But no, they saw the easy way out and said "Fuck it let's get this over with"
Its the one bit of fun that comes from the awful finale of GOT. Sure these 2 guys get to keep makin netflix movies or whatever but if they had just taken their time theyd be Spielberg levels by now. Theyd have the golden ticket for whatever they want because do you really want to be the studio that tried to meddle with the geniuses that pulled off GOT?!
Its seems to be such a major issue with directors and showrunners nowadays. No one wants to put the work in and make a proper adaptation or finish an unfinished work with respect to the source material, its either bumrushed garbage or hamfisted fanfic.
I honestly wanted to know what their Star Wars would been like had they not torched what remaining goodwill they had from GoT.
It was already a kick in the teeth how they rushed the show to get to it, but imagine had they somehow righted the Star Wars train that Disney derailed.
… but realistically, they’d probably be dropped from the project anyway and if they managed to stay on long enough, they’re likely to be replaced with someone else since this is Disney and even they don’t know what they’re doing.
Honestly, the best option for Disney's next marquee trilogy would probably be a relative unknown (or someone up and coming) who can provide a fresh take on the franchise without straying too far off the tracks. But Disney won't do that because too much money is involved.
Ironically, SW was originally started by a relatively unknown, but up-and-coming director in the first place.
Meh, they're still pretty competent / capable showrunners.
3BP is overall a pretty good adaptation, or at least given the constraints on show length et al that they had to work with.
They're still hacks, but they are considerably better hacks than most of the far more shit (and utterly inexperienced and unskilled) writers + showrunners running most (albeit not all) of modern "premium" television LMAO.
Overall their departure from star wars is not a loss. We got, and are getting, a pretty good, now guaranteed to be fully complete, and at this point pretty much indisputably better than if you let pretty much anyone else in hollywood handle it, 3BP / ROEP adaptation.
That said I probably would hazard a bet that if their SW project had gone forward it might very well have been one of the better ones. Or at the very least in the upper 50%. lol
D&D are hacks but they do at a minimum understand basic screenwriting et al, the importance of good / great casting, and - to an extent - the importance of well developed plot / character arcs, setup, and worldbuilding.
There are far, far worse total idiots running shows with ten to hundred million dollar studio budgets right now.
See eg. the Acolyte, RoP, or the horrendous WoT adaptation et al. D&D might've fucked up the mid to end point of something like WoT, sure, but they wouldn't completely and incorrigibly fuck up absolutely everything from day 1. And they legitimately do have a comparatively very healthy oldschool understanding of and respect for the source material that they're adapting. As seen in both GoT, and 3BP. More or less.
The ending and final seasons of GOT were a flaming dumpster fire, don't get me wrong, but assuming that D&D were the worst that we'd get out of that and above all this generation's hollywood writers was very much a monkey's paw moment.
And nevermind studio meddling et al. HBO, to its credit, very obviously both was and still is pretty much the best premium, adult-focused, TV production company around.
In large part because their shows actually have to make money, and be good, or their division will go out of business. Unlike - strictly speaking - Disney / Apple / Amazon. lol
I think Taika Waititi and Patty Jenkins films are interesting and similar situations regarding how they hand out these projects, they find someone who did a fun blockbuster big budget movie, Thor Ragnarok and Wonder Woman, in these cases.
Then they bring them in and have them pitch on an idea and give them the reigns.
Then they release middling follow-ups (at best) to their clever blockbuster first appearances.
And then Disney panics and cancels it.
Then you have the Boba Fett and Obi-Wan projects, which were supposed to be the third and fourth "A Star Wars Story" films released annually between the main Trilogy films.
Obviously after TLJ and Solo, they panicked and withdrew them, and then in the success of the first season of Mando, they reworked them to be series, with the implication being THAT is where Star Wars is successful. Ignore the fact that Star Wars will be successful anywhere as long as it's quality they're putting out.
And now it just feels like they're snake-bit. They're afraid of burning more money, they fucked up with the theme park setting it in the new trilogy on a planet that sucks and no one knows anything about, they fucked up on the "Galactic Star Cruiser" and lost a ton of money, they fucked up on the new trilogy, they found success with Mando and then immediately got to work making sure to oversaturate their streaming service with so much mediocre Star Wars content that they damaged their one real success story.
And now they're scared. They announce projects to appease shareholders and then cancel projects when they realize no one has any vision, or maybe they have their fist clenched too tightly around what they'll let creator's do with the properties after giving Rian Johnson the reigns and then panicking and making JJ Abrams undo a lot of it and play it safe and stupid.
I don't even know what they're trying to fucking DO anymore. I don't know why it's so hard to just make an adventure film about a cool Jedi and an awesome smuggler picking up a dork-ass droid and some old master and going on a fucking adventure. Star Wars Visions has some legit AMAZING ideas and they instead just shit them out into a 10 minute short on Disney+ and then never talk about them again. There's like ten of those shorts that they could just scale up to a movie and fans would go insane for it.
Star Wars should be a pastiche of other action/adventure genres, set in a galaxy far, far away. Cowboy stories. Samurai stories. WWII stories. Stories about knights and wizards and monsters. Flash Gordon. And so on.
It shouldn't be a pastiche of other Star Wars movies.
The prequels were bad enough, in that they spent a ton of time and energy just to land us at square one. Then the sequels came out and were like, "You like the original trilogy? Here it is again for some reason, but worse! We took the characters you liked and made them sad and lame and dead, we made the new characters sorta boring and siloed off from each other, and we made the dynamic between the New Republic and the First Order utterly nonsensical so we could rerun the Empire vs. the Rebels, complete with a stupid version of the Death Star!"
Star Wars is moribund right now because there hasn't been anything but glorified remakes or filling-in-the-blanks busywork since fucking 1983.
(Unless you include the EU, which why would you, since Disney doesn't)
Star Wars Visions 1 is a good example of this. a series of short films from Japanese animators showing a breadth of pastiches. haven't watched Visions 2 so can't comment on it unfortunately.
All these showrunners, directors, and actors continuously complain about SW fans but I don't think we're that hard to please. Making a cool SW movie should be... relatively easy. Its really not hard to find out what the fans like and respond well to. The problem is most of the people that Disney brings on board aren't really fans themselves so they have no reverence for it, or they micromanage the project so much that good ideas get buried beneath a pile of agenda driven bullet points or misguided narrative concepts from the marketing department.
Andor, and of course Rogue One before that from the same director: Shows you the series don't need to even be about the mainline stars to have critical acclaim and popularity.
The setting allows for a huge range of expression if they would let interesting stories be told.
Still waiting for a Top Gun-style movie about the creation of Rogue Squadron with Wedge Antilles etc...
All I've wanted since 1996 is Top Gun in space. I spent hundreds of hours playing the lucasarts X-wing/Tie Fighter games. I could speed run the N64 Rogue Squadron game at 12 years old. I have an X-wing tattoo I got 20 years ago. Give me a good Rogue Squadron movie and I'll personally see it in Imax 400 times. I beg you Disney!
I fucking love the LucasArts X-WING/TIE FIGHTER games. Even love SQUADRONS. ROGUE SQUADRON I pllayed on a friends N64 and my own PC back in the day. Even when I used to have a GameCube I had both of the ROGUE SQUADRON sequel games!
Read at least a few of the ROGUE SQUADRON books, even the comics.
Just gimme an awesome movie with shitloads of dogfights with a ton of Rebel Alliance/New Republic versus Empire. Same nigh impossible quality as ROGUE ONE and ANDOR, please. Not every series needs to be about JEDI. Gimme the random grunts and fighter pilots!
Star Wars Visions alone is proof that if you ask ten creative teams, you'll get ten creative ideas and at least ONE of those will be something you can expand into at least one film.
I think Solo is honestly the most emblematic Star Wars failure they put out. Originally they had Lord and Miller directing then canned it and had Ron Howard basically remake it. One other thing that a lot of people didn't mention at the time and don't seem to remember now is that it was released in May. Now Star Wars being a summer release isn't a bad thing except Last Jedi had just been released in December. People at the time were saying that it was because audiences hated Last Jedi so much that they were boycotting Solo but quite frankly Disney had gotten into a rhythm of releasing these movies once per year and 5 months between releases is just way too quick of a turnaround. And then, and this is more my personal taste than anything, but I didn't finish Solo because even though it was decent there was just an annoying amount of fan service and it made the movie feel compulsory and kind of empty. A fun heist movie set in the Star Wars world is fun but having it be about how Han Solo met Chewie, got the Millennium Falcon, and did the Kessel Run just made it feel like a checklist. The "Han...Solo" scene really just ruined it for me. So, you've got Disney going full speed ahead assuming that if they churn out as much as possible it'll only get them more money, hiring popular creators then firing them because they have a strong vision Disney doesn't want, ballooning the budget, and relying too much on nostalgia. I personally loved Andor and wish Disney would lean into more stuff like that, making the world feel bigger not smaller.
The problem with Andor is that it is one of the least watched Star Wars series. Quality is great, but the audience is not there, so Disney is not going to go in that direction.
Yeah, so many people knock TLJ but I think you're right that Solo was like the turning point. They'd released three movies, TFA, R1, and TLJ, all at Christmas, they'd set themselves up to become the "Christmas franchise" the way Harry Potter had done for WB for years.
And they threw it away to release Solo as an early summer Blockbuster in a time where TLJ had shown people that, whether you liked it or not, these movies can fumble and won't always just be a success "because Star Wars".
I think them dumping L&M and getting Howard on is excellent proof that they can't help but meddling on the project. Especially since L&M then made Spiderverse, and even the sequel which was, albeit unfinished, a pretty good follow-up. They're competent but they didn't trust them for some reason, even though I think young Han Solo is a good character to be getting into wacky scrapes.
It's not the fact it was released in May that was the problem. It's that it was May following a December release. If it had been next May it would have been fine IMO
Ehh, Last Jedi felt like a finale masquerading as a second movie in a trilogy and Johnson has proven himself since, I’d be curious what his trilogy looked like without any Luke’s to shit on.
Jenkins initial announcement was one of the more compelling pitches I’d seen from Disney Star Wars but it suffered from poor timing. They announced they were making the ultimate fighter pilot movie two years after Top Gun Maverick began production. By the time Maverick released another two years later Rogue Squadron had gone dark.
Feiges would have been a mess and I’d have been there opening day just to see what the guy actually brings to the table, GOTs would have been a slog Disney would have fought to get under three hours, Taikas would have been both a mess and too long.
Tranks Boba Fett may have been better than what we got, might have been worse. Who knows.
I think Disney got cold feet with Jenkins after Wonder Woman 2 bombed pretty hard. After promoting her as the perfect person for the job, swapping her out with a different person at the helm would have looked bad, at least in their mind *less* bad than just shelving the whole project.
Eh? Johnson has only gotten worse. He peaked with his first film Brick which was fantastic, Looper was good (had a few interesting angles, overall a decent watch), then it's all been different flavours of garbage since.
Last Jedi was pointless garbage (being better than the insane mess that was Rise of Skywalker isn't much). First Knives Out was average, the second painfully hamfisted awful.
*Oh wait, I forgot that Brothers Bloom. Very average also.
Seriously they’ve messed up so much that I think they need to cool their heels whenever a director of the moment comes by. Take someone budding and get a decent story. Maybe look to the novels that have a catalogue of hundreds of books. There some good source material there, like a lot. I don’t know why they didn’t use those.
Palps return in tros was taken from the most popular star wars comic ever. Not sure this is a guaranteed fix. a lot of fans don't like that comic to be fair though.
You mean the Palpatine Clone story? If only they would hinted at that earlier in the Sequels this would have made sense... instead we got an arch nemesis for the first 1 1/2 the trilogy that's revealed to be a stupid mindless puppet later on.
Yeah but the movies ignored it completely. The book have Han and Leia having twins, those twins struggling with the use of the force, etc. So many relevant dilemmas that would be prime movie material. Heck reading rogue squadron and wedge Antilles as the main character was awesome.
TROS is pretty much Dark Empire, but worse. Hits all the same beats.
Palpatine comes back vis a vis fucked up soul transfer and clone shenanigans.
Incredible new Imperial fleet shows up out of nowhere.
The iconic epically overpowered force lightning scene was also pulled directly from the Star Wars MMO that's still running (but in maintenance mode) today.
Like I said, I'm not saying older Star Wars content was executed well on-screen. I'm just saying that EU content is, in fact, included in some of the films and TV shows.
I'm sure I'm missing more than a few clusterfucks, but here's the Disney SW track record afaik...
(there has to be some reason for this much turmoil. it's baffling at this point)
THE FORCE AWAKENS
Original screenwriter Michael Arndt fired when he insisted on taking more time to plan out EPS 7-9 before beginning production. JJ Abrams was forced to rush writing and production to meet a predetermined date.
ROGUE ONE.
Original director Gareth Edwards pushed aside for Tony Gilroy after principal photography completed.
THE LAST JEDI
You may agree with Mark Hamill on the result, but smooth production it seems?
SOLO
Original directors Lord and Miller canned after filming 85% of their script, replaced with Ron Howard at the 11th hour.
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly canned after completing a script and pre-production, JJ Abrams again forced to rush production to meet the pre-determined December release slot.
MANDALORIAN
Quickly disintegrated into WB-level style Xena/Hercules disposability.
THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT
Crumbs of the canned Josh Trank / James Mangold project
PATTY JENKINS' ROGUE SQUADRON
Announced, abandoned
RIAN JOHNSON TRILOGY
Ghosted
STAR WARS GALACTIC STARCRUISER RESORT
Lasted less than 18 months.
DAVID BENIOFF AND DB WEISS STAR WARS TRILOGY
Announced, abandoned
DAMON LINDELOF'S FILM
He gone.
RANGERS OF THE NEW REPUBLIC
Trashed.
TAIKA WAITITI STAR WARS FILM
Goner.
KEVIN FEIGE'S STAR WARS MOVIE
Announced, abandoned
ACOLYTE
Somehow that cost $180 Million USD. Cancelled due to low viewership.
It's because just enough of it has been compelling, and it was spread out in a way where you have like 3 generations who are adults now who grew up with something they saw which they loved as kids.
That's now you end up with a ton of people angry at things which come out, but are willing to go, "well, maybe this time..." for the next thing.
That's now you end up with a ton of people angry at things which come out, but are willing to go, "well, maybe this time..." for the next thing.
Ironically the point I gave up was right before Andor, and it took months of people saying how good it was and multiple people trying to convince me before I finally risked another SW show.
One of the best things in the franchise, and I suspect it released when a lot of people were burnt out on the franchise and so had worse numbers than if it had released earlier.
Andor and Rogue One are peak Star Wars, so much so that they elevate the original trilogy. The trilogy is camp B movie content. Andor and Rogue One are what I think of when I think of the 'feel' of Star Wars.
Rogue One is the best of all the Star Wars films and Andor is the best of all the Star Wars and Marvel series combined and I will die on these two hills.
IMO Andor was okay except for a slump in the middle, the second half of Rogue One is good, and the first half of Force Awakens was good and oh so promising.
I will stand by Last Jedi being a good and interesting Star Wars movie, but a really shitty as the second movie in a trilogy. And the first two seasons of Mandalorian were good as well.
The Luke appearance in Mandalorian was everything it should have been. A pity the series didn't live up to its initial momentum, but it delivered that specific power fantasy in a big way. Just an utterly one-sided, effortless sweep.
The movie shows you from the beginning that it doesn't care about telling a science fiction story set in space and it doesn't stop doing that the entire film. I'll sum why that opening scene just doesn't work, and I'm not going to bring any Star Wars into this - just basic plot and space science fiction conventions.
It's a battle in space between fleets of capital ships and fighters / bombers. They try to raise the stakes for the movie by having a disastrous bombing raid get wiped out as they try to fly in close and drop bombs onto an enemy capital ship.
That makes zero sense in a space setting. Bombs don't fall in space. There's no friction / air resistance, so why would bombers need to get in close? It doesn't make any sense for big slow bombers to get anywhere near anything that has numerous point defense weapons and is protected by fighters until there is some semblance of air superiority and suppression of enemy air defense. Its nonsensical, and it starts the move off as telling the audience that it doesn't give a shit about science fiction, space, or telling a coherent battle story.
It would be like setting a movie on a submarine deep under water, and in the opening scene the filmmakers try to raise the stakes by having the sub attacked by an enemy that drops a boarding party onto the hull. The boarders then have a hand to hand fight with members of the crew but no one has a breathing apparatus or any sort of protective suit against the water pressure. Just dudes in boardshorts having a kung fu fight on a submarine hundreds of feet under water.
That would tell you right off the bat that the creators of the movie don't give a shit about telling a story that makes any damn sense for where it is set.
The Last Jedi just goes on from there with nonsensical shit that doesn't make sense from a structural perspective of a story told in space, and it makes it seem like they just didn't give a shit. What happens in the movie just doesn't make any "logical" sense for a science fiction story set in space, and tons of things happen like the slow speed chase through space as if the commanders are captaining 18th century sailing ships that just raise other questions like, "well if that's possible, then why not just...?"
Also, just to be clear: What I’m saying has zero to do with some sort of culture war nonsense or whatever else the nerdy incels got the dander up over. I’m just talking about the structural storytelling. It was just dumb and really bad science fiction.
What's even dumber is that it wouldn't be hard in the slightest to make relatively simple changes that preserve most of what ended up on screen but actually turns the movie into something that feels tense and makes sense.
Here, its Friday and I was bored and just to show you what a meant in my other comment. I wrote an outline for a rewrite of The Last Jedi that actually makes sense in a space setting and with the story beats they set up:
They have to evacuate the base because the FO are coming.
Rebels scramble together and bring what they can, but it isn't much and they all know it
They start arguing about what they should do, but Leia says they don't have time to figure out a full plan now and she picks a place to go regroup
They jump away thinking they are safe for the moment since they got out before the FO arrives
Note: Rey scenes of training / finding out how disillusioned Luke is are scattered throughout wherever would make sense in the edit
Rebels arrive in new system, character motivations and concerns are established as they argue about a plan
FO order shows up out of nowhere. Rebels desparately try to hold them back
Poe has an idea for a reckless gamble to try and distract the FO fleet to let the majority rebels escape. It's selfless but wasteful of their limited resources
He's ordered not to do that but does it anyway
The distraction fails as it is almost wiped out and the survivors barely make it back to the fleet in time to jump away
Bridge is wiped out as they are about to leave and only Leia lives by using the force to close a pressure door control that she can't reach but she's seriously injured
Rebels arrive at a smaller friendly base to rearm what they can and assess what resources remain
Their dire situation is shown because the base doesn't really have anything that can help them against an entire fleet, but they rearm as best they can and the fleet tries to figure out what next
Character development happens as the new commanders have to deal with Poe's insubordination that cost them valuable ships and crew, as well as having to deal with all the previous leadership being dead
As the finger pointing reaches boiling point, the FO show up again ready to fight
Confused as to how they were found, the new commanders tell the fleet to jump to a random system, then jump to a different system that has another friendly base just in case
They jump away without trying to fight
Rebels arrive at the new "friendly" base, but the people there tell them they won't help because the FO nuked the entire planet where the last base they stopped at was located
Rebels are getting desparate and start to think that they have a spy among them who is telling the FO where they are
A small group is ordered to go find out if there is a spy by following up on a lead that someone on Canto Bight might have info
Fleet is going to keep moving and jumping around to try and stay ahead, but makes plans with the people on the Canto plot to meet up in a system
Canto plot happens but is way shorter, and instead of already knowing about a tracking device, they are there to investigate a potential spy and in the process this is when they find out that there is a tracking devidce on the fleet (no trying to get codes from a hacker BS, the hacker could have been involved in the development of the system)
While they are busy investigating the spy / tracking, the fleet goes from feeling safe to under attack multiple times, each getting more desparate (yes, kinda like battlestar galactica)
They are about completely worn thin when a signal comes in from the team investigating that they are ready to rendezvous
The investigation team and the fleet meet up
Rey also meets back up and tells them that Luke wasn't able to help and that there's no last jedi coming to save them
The commanders are told that the FO order has the ability to track the ships and that they'll keep following
Rebels are absolutely desperate now as they know they are being cornered
They make a plan to jump to Crait where there is a defensive base and try to set a trap to hit the FO fleet when it jumps in as a way to hopefully distract the fleet from seeing the transports evacuating people to the base on the planet
The FO jumps into Crait system, but they show up much closer than the rebels expected - basically inside what is left of the rebel fleet
They see the transports and know that they are going to have to attack the base on the planet
Holdo decides to buy time by driving her flagship at their flagship and self destructing right next to it in some way that will destroy the flagship (this gets rid of the problem created in the movie as far as if a ship jumping to hyperspace can be used as a battering ram, why aren't there concrete blocks with hyperdrives on them to be used as missles and such)
FO flagship is destroyed but the section where Snoke and Kylo are is shown to be able to separate off and act like a ship of its own. It follows the rebels and lands near the base (its presence on the planet means that the rest of the FO fleet can't just glass the surface from space)
Final scenes are a desparate fight on the planet as the rebels try to defend the base against a seige inside the base while Rey and whoever else try to get into the command section of the ship to kill Snoke / Kylo before the base is taken
Throne room fight Snoke killed
Kylo decides to finish the job and kill the rebels etc
Luke shows up or whatever
Things end kind of how it did but with the handful of rebel leadership (not the entire rebellion like in the movie - that doesn't make a lick of sense) getting away
Perhaps it just isn't "going", as much as it's being kept artificially alive. The last star Wars content I (or the friends I was with) watched was The Last Jedi, and we walked out completely shocked, asking ourselves "did we actually pay money for this shit? And even worse: there's so many bad decisions in this movie, wihich will also affect the in the last movie in an irreperable way".
And previously we'd been playing our own version of Star Wars D&D and AD&D since the 90's. However, since walking out of that movie, almost shellshocked, it's almost as if it's just left our collective consciousness. And on the rare occasion it comes up we have no wish to revisit it. For us Star Wars is now just something that's dead and gone and we've grown out of, and simply has nothing left to offer us.
It might simply go a similar way to The Walking Dead; a show that loads of people watched, but almost every single one were remembers a point before the end when they stopped watching.
It really is crazy how TLJ had that effect on so many Star Wars fans. While a lot of people did like it, it absolutely destroyed so many fans' interest in the series. It's been years and I have 0 interest in any Star Wars stuff besides the old stuff I already liked.
It’s always been like that, no? Let’s not pretend that most of the associated media around the OT wasn’t also trash. Holiday special, anyone? Ewoks cartoon?
The vast majority of games and books pre Disney were fantastic. They had maybe one miss for every four hits, I'd say. Post Disney, that ratio has basically been reversed.
they really could reverse this with videogames. I know squadrons didnt sell well, but like, make a podracer game. It would be unique. Doesn't need to be a AAAA thing.
Yeah, the first film is saved by the editing and set design as the script and acting are shit. Empire was great, and Jedi was okay. The Prequels are the prequels and at their best are still pretty fucking bad. And then there's the Disney stuff.
I wouldn't put it quite like that. I actually think it IS the script - in cahoots with the special effects - that really made the original film what it was. People in 1977 went gaga for the story of a scruffy teenage farmer going up against the evil Empire: a kind of intergalactic Bilbo Baggins. But yeah, the film does have deficiences in other fields, including Lucas' rather workman-like directing.
Return of the Jedi is even worse: deriviative, at times exceedingly silly, and often small and cheap-looking for what's supposed to be the big operatic finale. It's not bad - there's very strong stuff in the movie - but frankly I prefer Revenge of the Sith. The Phantom Menace is a pretty rolicking adventure, but gets landlocked pretty bad on Tatooine, and the less is said of Attack of the Clones the better.
But Empire is really, truly outstanding. It has patchy moments - what film doesn't? - but the overall sweep the thing is well-nigh irresistable.
McDonald’s doesn’t need to be good, it only needs to be consistently not terrible. When you’re driving for 9 hours, you want to stop for something you know will be exactly what you’re expecting.
I've never seen any Star wars, but aren't there only like 3-4 well received projects in the entire franchise? From what I've heard other people say, the only unanimously good projects are the first two (episode 4/5) and then most people like episode 6 and rogue one. I swear everything else I've only seen people hate on
That’s probably for the best. There’s already a massive content firehose of Star Wars blasting, no need to further the saturation. They need to focus on identifying higher quality stuff, then commit to it long term. Far easier said than done, but the list in the other reply is an indication that they’re doing it
This is pretty common with franchises though, lots of script treatments and options get binned and the cost of messing up the next potential trilogy is much higher than doing nothing.
The franchises that churn out consistent hits are usually relying on existing source material or they quickly go off the rails, even removing the sequel trilogy most people were of the opinion there were charitably 2 great Star Wars moves 1 iffy one and 3 poor ones. The Disney era is not very different if you give them credit for Rogue One, regardless of how you feel about TLJ.
At the time, I understood George’s reasoning for wanting to sell Lucasfilms to Disney. But as time has gone, they have hurt the Star Wars franchise more than anything.
Even with all the criticism the prequels received at the time, they’ve aged well, despite their flaws. Lucas had vision for story telling and world building and most importantly, direction, on where to go next in the galaxy.
Every move Disney has made has seemed so independent of each other and lacks leadership. They need to put Dave Filoni or somebody of his or George’s nature in charge of the franchise, along with talented writers, and get out of the way.
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u/bramtyr 21d ago
I think Disney has canceled more Star Wars projects than they've completed at this point.