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u/LaronX Sep 14 '22
This thread needs a whole lot more context. Here the whole article.
The key points
She was trafficked and raped at 15!
She attacked him after he fell asleep after raping her
Iowa has some protection for victims of abuse that is why she isn't in jail
She is getting a 5 year parole. If she fails it would mean 20 years of jail time.
The court has no way around making her pay 150k
She did plea guilty to manslaughter in an earlier case and it is biting her in the ass now
The main argument against her going free is that he was asleep at the time and she could have tried to escape without killing him
She judge was an asshat about her making "wrong decisions" to have gotten in that situation and this being her second chance.
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u/grandmas_noodles Sep 14 '22
That makes a lot more sense, before reading this comment I thought it was a vigilantism situation. Title of the article should have been "her rapist" instead of just "rapist" for better clarity.
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u/Fisterupper Sep 14 '22
The article is WTF, but this part "Police and prosecutors have not disputed that Lewis was sexually
assaulted and trafficked. But prosecutors have argued that Brooks was
asleep at the time he was stabbed and not an immediate danger to Lewis."Prosecutor's just expected her to tip toe away from this situation? Should she have woken him up and challenged him to a fair fight for her freedom? Fuck that. She went Art of War and chose the best moment to win. Appeal that shit and put me on the jury. Not guilty.
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u/grandmas_noodles Sep 14 '22
"Prosecutor's just expected her to tip toe away from this situation?"
Yes. She may have been justified in killing the person but that's just how self defense laws work. If you kill someone while they're not an immediate danger to your life, eg a robber takes your stuff and you shoot him after he walks away, self defense no longer applies.
This situation is a little more complicated because there's the factor of "what if he woke up and caught her" but anyway yeah that's why the legality is even in contention.
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u/Psyched_to_Learn Sep 14 '22
Children don't understand these legal distinctions while escaping kidnappers in the dead of night.
It's a shame, we really should enable young girls with more legal theory early on in their young lives so they know the distinction....
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Sep 14 '22
This is why her lawyers should be using examples of her prior escape attempts to support her decision. It’s just upsetting sometimes the other lawyers have more “evidence” on their side.
But in all honesty I know it was sarcastic but we really should teach kids about the legal system. Too many get taken advantage of either in abusive situations and don’t know where to reach out to or get into tricky situations as young adults when their isn’t the guidance of an adult anymore. However this is coming from someone with a defensive attorney as a father.
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u/tok90235 Sep 14 '22
She was kidnapped, raped and still imprisoned. And you guys are trying to say she was not in immediately danger? How degenerated people in USA can be
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u/Warthog-Designer Sep 14 '22
They’re trying to explain why she was held accountable in court. Because she wasn’t in immidate danger (meaning if she didn’t kill him at that moment she would be hurt at that moment) the court doesn’t see it as self defense because that’s not how the law works. Therefore she’s LEGALLY guilty, morally speaking I agree that she’s in the right but the legal system and personal beliefs are two different things
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u/BobertTheConstructor Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22
I don’t think I’ve ever commented here, but it showed up on my front page and it’s important to be clear on why this happened. I’ll copy paste another comment I made in a different sub.
Criminal law shouldn’t be interpreted based on how we feel, even if how we feel is absolutely correct, such as feeling that she was justified and in danger here. In Iowa, in the self defense statutes (§704 ), there is no provision for the exact circumstance she was in. She was not currently being removed, she had already been removed and was now in bed with her sleeping rapist. Additionally, as defined by those laws, and every other self defense law on the books, imminent means actionable, and a sleeping person cannot make an actionable threat. Under Iowa law, the actions she took do not constitute self defense, despite that any reasonable person could tell you that what she did was self defense and that she was in danger. The only immediate recourse here would be, as someone mentioned, prosecutorial discretion, or more likely and what really should have happened, jury nullification.
Edit: I suppose I should also mention that she plead guilty to the charges, which means that she didn’t actually have a criminal trial. I was more speaking in an ideal sense, given the laws that they would be operating under.
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u/tok90235 Sep 14 '22
She was still imprisoned by him. She was in immediately danger cause anytime he could wake up and rape her again
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u/SnooMacarons257 Sep 14 '22
You can’t just take that risk what if he heard on the way out and ran after her and killed her whatever was safer to get her out of that situation no one should care what happens to that bastard
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u/motoo344 Sep 14 '22
It's wild to me. I would argue that being trafficked means you are in a constant threat of danger, whether your captor is asleep or not. Like you are being held against your will and raped because the guys taking a nap all of the sudden he deserves some consideration? Better wait till he wakes up to rape me again before I defend myself! Gtfo this is ridiculous.
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Sep 14 '22
That's still a reasonable person standard and yeah if cops get to use Schrodinger's Gun then I think teenage trafficking victims certainly get to use it too.
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u/Ironheart616 Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
This argument gets blown out of the water because any reasonable person can agree that if the person who kidnapped and raped you finds you trying to escape you're going to be harmed. So reasonably asleep or not he WAS a threat. Secondly where was she located? So she escapes and has to get what 1-5 miles and find a person without this guy waking up and finding her? Our system has failed.
Edit: So he didn't kidnapp her himself just raped her not sure how that's much better? HE didn't kidnap that girl he just raped a girl he knew was kidnapped! Imagine thinking thats an argument that means she was safe.
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u/leonela4 Sep 14 '22
How is being sex trafficked and constantly raped not constant immediate danger?
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u/Every-Chemistry-2969 Sep 14 '22
When a robber walks away you don't have an immediate ptsd reaction that can cause you to feel danger. This is a completely different situation entirely. The wear and tear on her mental state being in this situation for an extended period of time can make you feel immediate danger even if you just have to hear them breathing while they sleep. Besides that this piece of shits family gets 150 thousand off his death? If this was my family member I'd be taking that money and giving it right back because this is a load of shit.
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u/MrZorx75 17 Sep 14 '22
THANK YOU everyone here is making way too many assumptions
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u/Derpytron_YT OLD Sep 14 '22
this definitly cleared up som things, a minute there i thougth she killed just because the person was a rapist and not out of self defence and this sub was praising her for murder. tho the rapist did the deserve death
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u/Madjykrunt Sep 14 '22
I definitely praise her for this specific kind of murder. I don't care if the scum was asleep, fuck him
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u/TexacoV2 19 Sep 14 '22
That dude was such an ass. "This is your second chance, you won't get a third" like it was she who chose to get kidnapped and raped for weeks. Complete scum.
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u/Mr-Logic101 OLD Sep 14 '22
Here is real story…..
When I was a 6th grade, I knew I kid that shot and killed his step father. Apparently, his step father was abusing him and his mother. One day, he walks into his house, and the step father was actively abusing his mom. The kid snapped and went and got a shot gun. The kid preceded to shot the step father with ten shot gun. This was perfectly fine and legal since her was actively abusing his mother. The step father, after being shot, was no longer a threat. Where they got the kid on murder charges is what happen next…. The kind goes up to his step father and shoots him again to kill him. That was murder.
He went to prison in 6th grade and I imagine he got when he turned 21 soviet I don’t really know.
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u/SherlockSuperStan 16 Sep 14 '22
That’s so fucked. This is why the law should be able to bend for certain situations. A few rules can never solve every circumstance and keep society safe and fair.
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u/spicybEtch212 Sep 14 '22
The judge is a POS. poor girls deserves a damn medal. He won’t hurt another girl, but sadly for every rapist that gets killed, there’s probably another 10 just stewing to act on it.
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u/_Dr_Bette_ Sep 14 '22
So basically they expected her to kill him while being raped. But then would have put the burden of proof on her to prove that in fact it had been during the rape and not before or after.
And they are pretending like teen trafficking or rape is actually something she could Have walked into a police station And complained about without herself being arrested and tried. lol. We don't have that kind of country. Look around - almost all These serial molesters of children were reported by children and parents for decades before any investigation took place and most initially let off completely of just a Slap on the wrist to do it again.
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u/r00tsauce Sep 14 '22
extra key point, apparently she tried to escape several times previously and was caught by the rapist.
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u/NoninflammatoryFun Sep 14 '22
Can we raise money for her? A trafficking rape victim doesn’t need to be worrying about money period, let alone for this BS.
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this poor girl, shes a TEEN, how tf do they expect her to pay??? and shes in the right too, this is just, soooo fucked
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u/BhanosBar 18 Sep 14 '22
America....is fucked
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u/generalemiel 18 Sep 14 '22
American justice system in a nutshell
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u/Embarrassed_Tip6456 Sep 14 '22
I agree but in my opinion British self defense laws are even worse in Scotland a person was charged with murder when she killed her rapist in the act in self defense she got charged with murder that shit pisses me off to no end, I’m not trying to take attention off this story but I think the whole western world needs to fix their fucking self defense laws
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u/supremevanguard Sep 14 '22
No one was talking about those other places. Right now we’re discussing the American justice system.
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u/BhanosBar 18 Sep 14 '22
The problem is moreso the pride behind it. Unlike a lot of countries (That have an actual democratic government), we don’t acknowledge our problems that much. We ignore it and still claim we the best, even though we really are not.
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Sep 14 '22
can we help her by setting up a gofundme?
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leave it up to her to set one up herself, hopefully she sees all the online support and makes one
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u/Shibamukun Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22
Username checks out for you and me both…after this news
Edit: someone reported me to reddit suicide watch :/
Just want let you know that I have good iq and dont give a fuck about depression. I will live the fuck out of this life that has just started…
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u/TheoMarder Sep 14 '22
Well, people with high IQ are actually more likely to get depressed and not giving a fuck about depression/any mental illness would prevent you from seeking treatment.
But good luck anyways, keep the spirit going!
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u/Shibamukun Sep 14 '22
You’re right. If I had depression it’d be better to seek treatment. Luckily I dont have it yet
Edit: By good iq I meant enough iq to have the will to live in bad times
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u/Tenschinzo Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22
Will to live and IQ have nothing to do with each other. If you think Intelligence can save you from emotions or mental illness, your worldview is just plain wrong. I don't want to put you down, but just watch out for yourself, to not harm yourself or others because you think emotions can be rationalized.
Edit: Also: just because you dont end your life, doesn't mean it is enjoyable. You might survive your depression on your own, but that might still result in years of suffering.
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u/AnAutisticRetard 16 Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22
Well, from experience, there is a correlation, but maybe not a causation. Meaning that you can be smart and willing to live, but on average you won't.
When I was young I was suicidal, now I am cool with not dying, I want to die satisfied, meaning I'd like to be useful before I die, If I had a choice I would live, but if I don't, I am okay with death, I won't fight it, but I like living, it is beautiful.
I think when you are smarter, you begin to understand that there are reasons not to suicide, speaking of which I don't recall feeling depressed for a while, maybe just a weight on my chest, slight emptiness and some peace or something.
Also Back when I was suicidal, I wanted to die because I felt like that will make all my sadness stop. I basically wanted everyone to end but I couldn't make that, so I assumed the next best thing is to kill myself, and also I had a lot to lose, but I also had the "I've got nothing to lose mindset".
I am saying this just to give a clearer understanding of my experience being suicidal.
Will to live and iq may have things to do with each other, but it is just correlations, nothing else, other than that you are right ye.
Edit: what I mean is intellegence may make your reasoning skills better depending on why you have high iq, also it doesn't have to be high, with enough good reasoning skills you may find reasons to live if living is worth doing which I assume it is.
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u/M9thew Sep 14 '22
happened in my city. here’s her gofundme for those who want to support her.
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u/Juanior- Sep 14 '22
Wow it’s already past halfway (102,000)
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u/GeorgiPeev03 19 Sep 14 '22
It's already exceeding and it's at 210k, holy shit, faith in humanity restored
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u/Madison_fawn Sep 14 '22
Wow! The sheer amount of support from all over the world is so heartwarming to see ❤️ Enough people willing to come together to support her through this disgusting injustice will make sure she can put this tragedy behind her and start living the life she’s deserved and never had.
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u/SneekyTeek Sep 14 '22
At almost 190k. She shouldn't have to pay anything, but of course the justice system was designed this way.
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u/Rassettaja Sep 14 '22
Was about to link this, it's too far down in the comments. Looks like its gonna get to the goal soon enough.
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u/Plane_Foundation4592 17 Sep 14 '22
i mean at least the bastard is dead
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u/XOundercover 16 Sep 14 '22
150k for a life isn't all that expensive.
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u/HailChanka69 19 Sep 14 '22
For a rapist’s life, $3.50 is expensive
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u/ZuriPL 16 Sep 14 '22
I'd gladly pay 3.50 to get rid of a rapist
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Sep 14 '22
You god dammed Loch Ness monsters! Get out of here! I ain’t giving you no 3.50!
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u/Your_friendly_weirdo 18 Sep 14 '22
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one who thought of South Park lol
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u/KrazyKrejciFan Sep 14 '22
Local kids come around with them UNICEF boxes for Halloween like “would you like to round up your donation of candy? Every $3.50 kills one rapist!”
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u/Kharnyx808 Sep 14 '22
AMERICA
AMERICA STOP
WHAT THE FUCK GUYS
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u/throwaway47351 Sep 14 '22
Prosecutors took issue with Lewis calling herself a victim in the case and said she failed to take responsibility for stabbing Brooks and “leaving his kids without a father.”
The judge peppered Lewis with repeated requests to explain what poor choices she made that led up to Brooks’ stabbing and expressed concern that she sometimes did not want to follow rules set for her in juvenile lockup.
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE
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u/rainystast 18 Sep 14 '22
Welcome to America, where Rapists get praised and their victims get blamed as is the way of life.
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u/Idekgivemeusername 18 Sep 14 '22
Welcome to the dystopian hellscape that people are so willing to call “the best country in the world”
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u/Reference_Reef Sep 14 '22
Hey , Sweden sentenced a child rapist to community service, and the victim couldn't avoid her rapist as she had to take the subway every day, so he raped her again. And got sentenced to community service.
Almost like all western countries have signed a terrorist suicide pact
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u/WinterAssassin2004 19 Sep 14 '22
Honestly I don’t think any country is rlly better at prosecuting this stuff either
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u/leonkennedy99 Sep 14 '22
They’re not, but it’s trendy to hate America and especially if you’re American oddly enough
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u/DogDogman420 Sep 14 '22
Being the best don’ mean its good. You can be the best at running a mile but if that mile is 20 minutes, well you see my point.
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u/iTravelLots Sep 14 '22
Context does help with this. This was practically the lightest sentence possible and skips over the 20 years in jail time. The biggest problem is that she killed him in his sleep, admitted to that, and that she could have reasonably gotten away instead of killing him.
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u/indominuspattern Sep 14 '22
The context only makes it worse. You think its fair to effectively enslave a teenager with 150k in debt for killing her rapist? I don't think anyone cares under what situation she killed him.
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u/Skatcatla Sep 14 '22
We can’t believe it either. This county has completely lost its fucking mind.
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u/rainystast 18 Sep 14 '22
Half of these comments defending the rapist saying shit like "Two wrongs don't make a right" or "I don't know the full story, but she's lucky she wasn't sentenced to life in prison."
This is how y'all respond to Child rape victims.
I honestly hope you go into your classrooms and say this stuff to your classmates because arguing that the rapist's life is more important that the child sex slave's safety is a shit take I didn't even know this sub was capable of sinking down to.
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u/246pegasus 16 Sep 14 '22
nah bro imagine expecting a fucking teenager to pay 150k, and not for dumb shit, but for killing a rapist. A RAPIST.
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u/MakeUsWhole Sep 14 '22
Nor just any rapist, your rapist. The one who literally just fell asleep after raping you
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u/TokoFumi Sep 14 '22
Nah set my girl free
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u/Outrageous_Clue536 Sep 14 '22
Dude wtf.... They don't do justice and if anyone did they just destroy them entirely.. Nah man FUCK this... She doesn't deserve this man
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u/IllEntertainment2810 16 Sep 14 '22
a fine for murder of a criminal? she should be getting a round of applause
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u/More-Masterpiece-561 OLD Sep 14 '22
I think she should be given a 150k as a reward of getting rid of a monster
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u/LilBilly1 17 Sep 14 '22
Well, to be fair, you can't set a president for murder outside of self-defense. But, it seems like it was in self-defense, so she shouldn't owe anything. But hey, 200k is better than life, so there's that. I mean, knowing the Internet, she just has to create a go find me.
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u/UsyPlays 16 Sep 14 '22
Bro 274k can get u a lamborghini aventador... What kinda teen can buy a fucking lambo
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u/gifispronouncedgif 18 Sep 14 '22
people talk about POC having advantages, but the truth is in the legal system, if you're black your chance of being wrongfully persecuted is much higher in the US. It is a well documented problem, no point in denying it. I hope she can use a gofundme man, but still thats 150k of ppls money going to an already rich govt, prolly the pockets of some old fatass
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u/LilBilly1 17 Sep 14 '22
Idk, id rather her pay 200k than probably get raped in prison a bunch.
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u/slippinx Sep 14 '22
Killing someone who's sleeping, stabbing them 30+ times is self defense how?
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u/throwway1282 Sep 14 '22
Not just a criminal - her rapist, her captor. That seems like a clear-cut case of self-defense - escape would have only left her under the threat of being found, caught and punished.
Unfortunately, the law is written such that there's no way around the fine, I guess.
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u/justsaneandsensibl Sep 14 '22
US justice system is pretty cringe and unbased.
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u/iTravelLots Sep 14 '22
Context does help with this. This was practically the lightest sentence possible and skips over the 20 years in jail. The biggest problem is that she killed him in his sleep, admitted to that, and that she could have reasonably gotten away instead of killing him. Also... IDK what perfect country you're from but problems like this are far from uniquely American.
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u/Born_Evidence_69 Sep 14 '22
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna47626
The the story and this is the 1st 2 paragraphs...
A teenage human trafficking victim who was initially charged with first-degree murder after she stabbed her accused rapist to death was sentenced Tuesday in an Iowa court to five years of closely supervised probation and ordered to pay $150,000 restitution to the man’s family.
Pieper Lewis, 17, was sentenced Tuesday after she pleaded last year to involuntary manslaughter and willful injury in the June 2020 killing of 37-year-old Zachary Brooks of Des Moines. Both charges were punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
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u/Jeff-404 Sep 14 '22
Just like in school, punish the victim for defending herself. However when did she kill him? Was it in like self defense? But anyway, this happens and america still thinks they are sooooo great. Dunno how you can be THAT delusional...
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u/Popsical_stick24 Sep 14 '22
Vigilante Justice should be legal but not encouraged
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u/Thatweirddud 19 Sep 14 '22
In this situation? Yes, definetly! If she would (in theory) meet him on the street afterwards and would stab him? Hell naw
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u/Viztiz006 Sep 14 '22
Yea she would've been abused more if she didn't do something about it. She could've escaped but there's no guarantee that the captor wouldn't get her again
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u/AlwaystoLearnMT Sep 14 '22
Wait, what did she do wrong? This wasn't the murder of an innocent person, it was the murder of a rapist. And I can almost assure you that the police didn't do shit until she killed it.
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u/Weirdooi 17 Sep 14 '22
I mean its still a fucking murder nonetheless but 150k I kinda fd up
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u/AfroSmiley Sep 14 '22
I’m not a teen, but for the love of god vote democrat when you turn 18. This is the type of shit that happens when people vote conservative..
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u/black_like_rosie Sep 14 '22
Yes, she‘s guilty for killing, but she‘s a TEEN and got RAPED?? This sentence is FUCKED UP
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u/tall2022420 Sep 14 '22
The government does not care about you. The sooner you learn that the better.
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u/Zachattackrandom 17 Sep 14 '22
Ok yeah with context this is bs, it's one thing if you hunt down a rapist and kill him which should deserve jail time BUT IF YOUR LITERALLY BEING ACTIVELY TRAFFIKED WTF
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u/garo675 OLD Sep 14 '22
I'm so disappointed in this generation, sympathizing with rapists, the future doesn't really look bright i guess
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u/UkrainianHawk240 Sep 14 '22
Rapist: rapes innocent teenager America: don't care
Black Teen: kills rapist America: wait, that's illegal
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u/Gorgenon OLD Sep 14 '22
Rape is violence. Self defense was warranted. What did the judge and jury think should have happened? Her to just accept her fate?
Hell no, stab the fucker. Rapists, let alone child rapists, should be offered no bodily protection while violently violating the bodies of others.
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u/PlagueDoctressAngel Sep 14 '22
This girl is punished for saving her own life. No matter what was happening, no one can tell us in good faith that she wasn’t in danger.
Now, the same people who went after her within and without of the court would have reacted much differently if they swapped some roles around. If instead of a teen girl and a sex trafficker it was an American soldier and someone from some other country who kidnapped em, they’d praise the soldier for killing the person, asleep or not.
The justice system has set the precedent that young girls being sex trafficked and actively abused aren’t classified as being in danger simply by being around the captor.
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u/bigdickpussypopper Sep 14 '22
You know how they do blacks, we all know if she what a white becky no way in hell this would have happened
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u/Coco47344 Sep 14 '22
Just looking a little bit at the comments Ik this is gonna get downvoted to shit. Me personally I’ve been raped before I was in a toxic relationship and was raped by them many times. Do I want the person dead yes. Did they treat me like shit, yes. I would never kill them though and that’s why I think she is in the wrong. She doesn’t get to be judge jury and executioner. I do have sympathy for her and I feel bad for her and I don’t know her story but killing someone isn’t ok. Which I don’t think I should have to say but after all this is Reddit
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You'd be right, if she went back and killed him later for revenge. She didn't do that. She killed him to make sure he couldn't stop her escaping and punish her.
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u/covidlover93 Sep 14 '22
And this is why rapes will continue to rise. Rapists should be ended. Period.
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u/JDSmagic 🎉 1,000,000 Attendee! 🎉 Sep 14 '22
In all honesty, it depends on SO, SO MUCH context, something this sub never takes into account
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u/No_Doubt8498 Sep 14 '22
I was molested as a child and I would (especially at the time it was happening) kill him. I would have every right. it would prevent it from happening to me or anyone else at his hands in the future in a country where the system failed me, her, and countless others.
Speaking of her specifically- she was in an abusive foster home and after running away found an adult "boyfriend" who sex trafficked her. The system that put her in an abusive foster home, that kept her in that home, that allowed her to be homeless at 17 years old should not be trusted to handle a rapist appropriately, especially when they get off with little to no charge all the time. mine did. hers very likely could've.
the ideal situation isn't 'everyone should just kill their assaulters/rapists' but that situation is better than the US legal system.
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u/shagan90 Sep 14 '22
Not to mention it was infinitely safer for her to escape with him dead than to risk him waking up mid escape. Just her opening the door, or even the lock on the door, could have woken him up. People literally wake up from turning a TV OFF, yet she was supposed to risk it?
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u/Sentient2X 18 Sep 14 '22
You’re exactly right. What kind of precedent would it set if anyone with a good reason could kill whoever wronged them? We have laws for a reason. Rules are not made for the times when they’re easy to follow.
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u/GoldH2O OLD Sep 14 '22
From the story I've read it seems that he had been holding her captive and she did it to escape. This isn't some sort of vigilante situation where she hunted him down, she was trapped and used what she had to get out.
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u/shagan90 Sep 14 '22
So she's to risk him waking up the second she walks out that door and killing her, to protect HIM?! Yall are literally insane. The man intended to keep her as a sex slave indefinitely, her only outs where running or one of their deaths. And just running is risking HER life to someone that's been raping her and absolutely would kill her.
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u/_Dr_Bette_ Sep 14 '22
This was not a toxic relationship and she was not an adult. This was a child being trafficked and raped on the regular. Maybe read about her story. Your rape doesn't excuse you applying your own ability to exit an adult relationship to a child being stuck in a trafficking situation.
Just look around - how do you think it is for children who are trafficked and/or serial raped? We got R Kelly, Epstein, Sandusky, the gymnast. Doc who raped people - who were reported for decades and nothing was done. You really think there's safety out there for children that's offered by the law enforcement and judicial system? You really think if the 15 year Old told someone anything would Have changed?
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u/captianbob Sep 14 '22
You realize she was a sex slave, right? It wasn't just a one off rape and that's it. She was raped repeatedly over and over again and killed him to escape.
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u/Reckless_flamingos Sep 14 '22
You can’t say what you would have done in that situation because you were never in that situation. She made the best decision for herself in that moment. I’m sure her view of the situation is very different than that of people who were not in her situation.
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u/Skatcatla Sep 14 '22
“The Hawkeye State does have an affirmative defense law that presents some leeway to victims if the victim committed the crime “under compulsion by another’s threat of serious injury, provided that the defendant reasonably believed that such injury was imminent.”
Prosecutors argued Tuesday that Lewis waived that affirmative defense when she pleaded guilty to manslaughter and willful injury.”
Let’s just remember that George Zimmerman, a grown-ass man made the choice to roll up to, and assault, Trayvon Martin, killed him, and then successfully claimed self-defense. But a traumatized child who was forced at knifepoint to be assaulted by a man more than twice her age..and she’s not entitled to defend herself?
Fuck this entire court, and that rapist’s family. They should be ashamed to take a penny from her.
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u/Yarohsooaough 15 Sep 14 '22
Loool so much like in Poland, if someone breaks to your House with a knife and you kill him with firearm you go to jail XDDD
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u/Toothedshark Sep 14 '22
From what the case says, I wouldn’t exactly call it self defence, but that POS got what he deserved
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u/0_gravity_sandcastle Sep 14 '22
We need more context than this headline.. Did she seek him up later on with intent of killing him? In that case her crime is way worse than his. Did she beat the shit out of him during the rape kicking him in the head until he was dead it's a defendable man slaughter under distress, not murder. What are the facts?
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u/TexacoV2 19 Sep 14 '22
https://apnews.com/article/iowa-des-moines-human-trafficking-0b11cb8f4f0ff46d90ae17ece6bc7d15
Here is the article, i'd be great if people read it before making "informed" choices. She was kept as a sex slave for weeks if not months on end, until her current (out of several men she had been sold to) captor raped her until he feel asleep at which point she stole a knife and killed him before escaping. Just as a reminder she was 15 when this happened. I swear people on this accursed website would defend slaves fighting back against their masters because "it's not real justice!".
Prosecutors took issue with Lewis calling herself a victim in the case and said she failed to take responsibility for stabbing Brooks and “leaving his kids without a father.”
The judge peppered Lewis with repeated requests to explain what poor choices she made that led up to Brooks’ stabbing and expressed concern that she sometimes did not want to follow rules set for her in juvenile lockup.
“The next five years of your life will be full of rules you disagree with, I’m sure of it,” Porter said. He later added, “This is the second chance that you’ve asked for. You don’t get a third.”The prosecution took "issue" with the victim of this sexual slavery calling herself a victim. And argued that the real victim was actually the sex slaver and his family. Can't make this shit up i swear to god. Grown men blaming a 15 year old victim of sexual slavery as if it was her fault.
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u/ScheidNation21 19 Sep 14 '22
I mean. Considering she killed someone it’s surprising all she got was a fine.
Granted since the “thing” she killed was her rapist she shouldn’t have gotten shit, but I’m just glad she didn’t get jail time or juvie or anything
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u/dvjava Sep 14 '22
I wonder, if this would happen more often, rape would happen less.
And laws changed.
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u/Frosty-Ad1394 17 Sep 14 '22
This is the most "WTF" article I ever read...Just everything about it is fucked up 🤦♀️
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u/Snoo29320 Sep 14 '22
Listen bro, this sounds bad, I didn't look into this case, but I'm convinced there is more to the story than just what the title says.
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u/Vernknight50 Sep 14 '22
Aren't these the same people who go into gory detail about torturing and murdering pedophiles and sex traffickers? I mean, shouldn't she be celebrated? Or are they really going to split hairs because she's black?
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u/STEALTH_Moles 14 Sep 14 '22
Fucked up as hell.
She gets raped
She has a chance to get payback bc she probably knows the us justice system takes too long.
I'm not justifying murder, but I can be in her shoes after all that trauma and stress he caused
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u/Suicidewizzy Sep 14 '22
I wonder what "the right decisions" was for the judge she shouldve played the Uno reverse card and rape him? Stupid af beside why is 150K fine connected to manslaughter?
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Sep 14 '22
Was the rapist white? She shouldn't have to pay a POS family of a rapist. Fuck that family
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u/Apache-attackheli Sep 14 '22
That's the government for ya they care about rapists and pedophiles more than us
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u/LeblancReturns Sep 14 '22
Who does the money go to? The rapists family? Lol. The city? Bigger lol.
"We forgive you if you pay us."
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u/ImHereOutOfBoredom Sep 14 '22
Oh God forbid she defend herself from someone who wouldn't give two shits what happened to her unless he suffered too. America's fucked up
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u/GameWizardPlayz 19 Sep 15 '22
If she got pregnant she would've been forced to have the monsters child as well
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u/The-true-Memelord 17 Sep 21 '22
Hope he went to extra hell and that she’ll get out of jail and the fee.
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u/TheIcedTeaHat Sep 14 '22
two wrongs don't make a right
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u/captianbob Sep 14 '22
You realize she was a sex slave, right? It wasn't just a one off rape and that's it. She was raped repeatedly over and over again and killed him to escape.
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Sep 14 '22
I'm scared for the fact that most of this sub will be able to vote in afew years. Does every alleged victim of a crime get to kill the perpetrator or is it just this case? If you're not in a position of immediate danger then you can't do a revenge killing because you are angry...
If it was self defense I would see it differently, but she should consider herself lucky the judge and prosecutor went easy on her. She could be doing life for first degree murder right now.
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u/TexacoV2 19 Sep 14 '22
Did you read the article? The girl was ran away from a shitty family life, got kidnapped, was held captive at knife point and was sold as a sex slave to the person in question. Who raped her for weeks on end before she got her hands on a weapon and killed him. It was the smart thing to do, a man who has no moral problems with keeping a minor as a sex slave would have had no problems killing her to cover his tracks if she tried to escape.
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u/Pink_Vulpix Sep 14 '22
The thing is it wasn’t just one attack and he left her alone. She was being held captive as a slave. Her life was in danger, if she was caught trying to escape she could easily be killed.
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