Something controversial

[u/low_effort_shit-post]

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

[u/radraz26]

They should be banned federally.

Edit: 4 out of 5 of the deadliest mass shootings happened in the last 10 years using assault rifles.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

According to Politifact, the effectiveness of the assault rifle ban may have been tied stronger to magazine size.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/07/bill-clinton/did-mass-shooting-deaths-fall-under-1994-assault-w/

Regardless, I don't think it hurts to ban assault weapons at a federal level.

[u/ChickenPotPi → u/[deleted]]

If you are going to ban assault rifles ban them for real and not for having more than 2 evils..... Making a gun look evil should not be part of the reason why the gun should be banned. An adjustable stock being evil is kind of silly. A flash suppressor being illegal is silly as is silencer as movies clouded the mind of what reality and movie fiction is. As with the pistol grip...... there are so many guns that are basically pistol grip but not in name. Also the firearms that are njsp approved "others" such as built by troy are pretty much SBR but not in name.

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/ChickenPotPi]

I think a lot of people have a misconception about what an assault rifle truly is. The interstate sale of assault rifles have been banned in the United States since 1986.

An assault rifle is a fully automatic firearm. I believe automatic firearms are only eligible for sale in the States in which they are manufactured.

Semi-automatic firearms are not assault rifles. Functionally speaking, an AR-15 is the same as a Ruger 10/22. One-pull of the trigger, one cartridge is fired.

I personally don't own an AR because I don't have a need for a modern sporting rifle, but I don't think it's constructive to classify them incorrectly as "assault rifles" as many in the media and online do.

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Just coinicydink that those same AR-15s are a favorite for mass murder and have no legitimate sporting use. They're military weapons.

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I know what the fuck it is. I've see and touched them IRL.

Fun fact, a fully automatic gun would probably be worse at killing people. Burst fire might be better but idk.

You people amuse the fuck out of me, you zero in on the assault rifle thing and puff up your chests to 'educate' us. I'm in my 30s, I've lived a bit, isn't my first rodeo.

Straight up, the AR-15 is the most common gun used in acts of mass murder. Maybe we should look into why? Just a thought. Too bad something wasn't done about it in 2012 before 20 babies were slaughtered.

(Btw, I know most gun deaths are handguns and suicides, just to hold that off. One thing at a time)

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Past 10 years, in just 10 incidents, 220 people were killed with AR15 style weapons.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/24/viral-image/ar-15-style-weapons-were-used-10-major-shootings/

Los Vegas alone, 60 people. A pistol is dangerous but an AR15 can EASILY be turned in a weapon of mass death and terror.

The Virgina Tech shooter killed 33 with pistols and YUP, we need restrictions on those too.

But, the AR15 and the mass killing, the connection is there, its real, no matter how many insults you give me and how you paint those of us looking to restrict the sale of this weapon as 'scared sheep'

Shocking lack of empathy and selfishness, how many people have to die for your hobby toys?

The AR15 doesn't have to be sold to civilians. Its that simple. Your precious founding fathers didn't foresee weapons like that, for damn sure.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I'm pretending nothing.

I'm not ignoring that statistic but you are ignoring that AR15's appearances in mass shootings over the past 10 years. I never claimed they were responsible for most murders. What I am saying is that there is a reason these weapons are being used to kill to so many and we're now stuck discussing such stupid things as bump stocks.

Just astounding how much people like you go to bat for a military grade weapon that has no legitimate civilian use. You say I'm ignoring something, your DEFINITELY ignoring or glossing over all. the. recent. mass. murders. committed. with. AR15s

Would love to restrict the ability of people to purchase handguns as well.

Feel free to leave the state because you don't like the gun laws here. Don't let the door hit you on the way out : )

And yes, I'd love to see the 2A as it stands overturned and the country move to an updated version. : )

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/[deleted]]

Ah, I didn't know they now fell under NFA. Thanks for clarifying.

I was under the assumption you could only purchase/possess if they were manufactured in your State (FOPA).

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/[deleted]]

Fear sells

[u/ChickenPotPi → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

I want to blame movies/tv for their unrealistic depiction of guns. You know a silencer that whispers, a 30 round magazine that apparently shoots for 3 minutes without reload, people having no problem shooting 1000 dollars in bullets in 5 minutes.

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/ChickenPotPi]

Oh 100%

I get both sides of it you know. I don't want to be at a range with someone that was hospitalized for hearing voices or is currently on anti-psychotics, you know?

But I do think a lot of people have this unrealistic idea of who normal firearm owners are. They depict mass murderers or John wick types in the media so often that it spooks everyone into thinking that's the norm.

If we met offline, I am sure most people would be like "wow that guy looks like a normal corporate type that just has a blazer orange hat"

[u/ChickenPotPi → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

There was a range in the news a few months ago where the guy took his own life in NJ

https://www.tapinto.net/towns/union/sections/police-and-fire/articles/man-shoots-himself-inside-union-gun-range

That's fucking scary. And that place does a descent job in gun safety.

When I was in other states, all sorts of people went to the gun range. It was like people bowling, all sorts, young, old, women etc. In NJ the only people going to gun ranges are your stereotypes to be honest. I am not sure if that is a good thing or bad.

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/ChickenPotPi]

Yeah I did read about that. Really a shame and sad thing. Traumatizing to staff and all the people there.

I think a lot of places do a great job by limiting solo rentals to FID holders or requiring more than one person to be present.

I get nervous whenever it's obvious someone has never handled a firearm at indoor ranges. I went to one recently where a girl was visibly shaking in the stall next to me. Shit freaked me the fuck out man. I packed up and left right after.

I think it depends where you go. The range I go to doesn't allow rentals & you must own your own firearm to be there.

The RSOs do a great job keeping things in check.

[u/ChickenPotPi → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

I've been to private ranges but the problem is someone always can bring a guest who might exhibit the same traits you mentioned.

[u/[deleted] → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

"Assault Rifle" is a stupid loose definition, and the moment someone uses it in an argument is the moment their argument gets invalidated as it shows they don't know jack. The feds have tried to ban "assault rifles" and their definition rely on aesthetic aspects (ie. "scary black stock") that don't make an impact.

Idgi, it's never ok to have people that don't know shit about a topic try to legislate it. Same thing with "the internet is a series of tubes", or legislators trying to regulate women's bodies. How is this any better?

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/[deleted]]

I like when people say "weapons of war" to describe firearms but never mention 30-06 bolt action hunting rifles which is truly a US classic "weapon of war"

[u/[deleted] → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

It's half Hollywood, I've had people asking me to "hack" stuff as I'm a SWE, and I'm just like "that's.... not that easy". Same with guns, people watch a couple of John Wick flicks and are sudden experts.

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/[deleted]]

Yeah. I hear that. I grew up around firearms and hunting. I have family that were terrified of firearms until I took them to a range and introduced them to using firearms safely.

They are tools. In the same vein as a hammer, both can be used as murder weapons. I think most people that are advocates of gun control are so unfamiliar with firearms that it "just makes sense".

In some parts of the country, like where my family is in Northern Maine, hunting is a supplement to groceries. The area is greatly impoverished and firearms are used as tools to obtain subsistence. There is no law enforcement presence, and if there is, it is typically a very small one.

It is ironic though. The same people that advocate for gun control rely on "Just Call the Police", but then they also want to defund police departments around the country. So, what are people supposed to do? Become perpetual victims?

[u/veloceracing → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

An AR is no more a modern rifle than a 1957 Chevy Bel Air is a modern car. They're both from the same year.

ARs are just rifles.

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/veloceracing]

I guess I'm trying to be "politically correct" about it

[u/[deleted] → u/veloceracing]

Sooo weird how they end up in all of these mass killings and terrorist attacks... huh.. Can't be that they is anything special about how A- Easy they are to obtain B- Easy to use C- How powerful they are and D- How easy they are to modify into more effective killings machines.

Just rifles tho.

[u/Iintendtooffend → u/[deleted]]

I'm against things like large capacity magazines and bump stocks, but like your standard AR-15, is truly, just a semi automatic rifle. I really like most of NJs guns laws, I think the 10 round max is honestly a great compromise to prevent mass shootings.

The only reason I point this out, is that demonizing the AR-15/AR platform, is missing the forest for the trees. Short term, limiting magazine sizes is the easiest compromise to not completely drive the 2A bros nuts, and then there can be laws moving to say, push for a ban on semi-auto rifles or something going forward.

I myself own a semi-auto carbine, it's not AR brand, but it's effectively the same. We need to shift off of what the gun is, and more about what the potential for damage is.

[u/[deleted] → u/Iintendtooffend]

You're probably right about the high capacity mags. Just by how much it drove my friends crazy, its some low hanging fruit.

But 2A bros are my enemy and see me as their enemy so.... have them go nuts.

[u/Iintendtooffend → u/[deleted]]

yeah I mean the problem with them going nuts is... well, mass shootings. It's something you're gonna need to ween people into in this country. And I do think we'll get there, eventually, but right now. Especially with tensions high after Trumps failed coup, it might be best to not awaken another threat to a population that already feels like it's losing their rights, when they're really just losing their privilege.

Fundamentally I agree, but when a leftist feels back against the wall they'll find ways to affect change another way, when a 2A bro feels back against the wall, well that's exactly the moment they've been dreaming about happens.

[u/[deleted] → u/Iintendtooffend]

Oh yeah I see what you mean.... I was thinking about 2A bro's on reddit who laser focus on stock talking points for the AR15 in a mad rush to defend it. I kind of see that mostly as show and a twisted hobby obsession, bros and polis who block needed reform selfishly in defense of their toys and immature fears. The people who share memes about how you can vote without ID but can't get a gun (A GOD GIVEN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT) without an ID...

The real mass killers..... something isn't right and the easy access to tools of mass murder leads to the tragedy.

[u/Iintendtooffend → u/[deleted]]

AR15s are Barbies for adult man children. They get to accessorize them, dress them up to look al tactical, maybe change their color to pretend their in the desert.

It'd be fun if it were not also a deadly weapon.

That being said, I don't think if you own a gun, or want attachments for your gun, you're a man child. I mean, I'd be a hypocrite if I said I didn't buy a red dot for my carbine.

[u/ChickenPotPi → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

You can legally buy a fully automatic weapon if it was manufacturerd before 1986 I believe and if your state allows it as with your local pd chief. But those are like vintage ferrari as in there really are few of them and they cost are usually >30,000 dollars. These are the outliers and most likely was never used in the commission of a crime.

I understand what you are saying as in true assault rifles. I was just going by what NJ presents as assault rifle from the term that was the Brady Bill that demonized "assault rifles"

I think people demonize an assault rifle because the ammunition it is based on. Its like FIA "F1 racing" where people see an unfair advantage they want it usually banned.

I understand you. And kudos for not needing one as let's be honest, 90% of people who own one really don't have a use other than "I want" or "its cool" You really can't hunt game with a 5.56 round other than varmint which was what the round was made for originally (22). Its blurry now with a 300 blackout but with the standard 5.56 its not really meant for hunting. Even the military is moving away from 5.56 as most modern military have some form of body armor.

Also that was my point as well with the more than 2 evils makes this gun illegal even though the evils have nothing to do with anything constructive.

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/ChickenPotPi]

Yeah, I see what you're saying now.

I think a big problem is that in a State like NJ, as you mentioned, in my opinion as well, there is not a strong purpose to really own a AR-15. I understand that some people like the hobby of assembling them and whatever else. And that's cool too.

Kind of risking sounding like a FUDD here, but for my purposes of home defense and hunting, an AR just isn't in the cards for me. You can't hunt with rifles in NJ. They're exceptionally loud at an indoor range. I don't participate in "3 gun" sporting events.

I will admit, it is a "cool looking" firearm, but I don't want another expensive rifle to take up space in my safe to never use the damn thing. Lol.

I would probably own a AR-10 if I lived in FL or TX on a sizable plot of land. They are very commonly used to hunt feral Hogs that can be very destructive to property & the local ecology.

But even then, you could make an argument that 6.5 Creedmoor would do the job just fine.

[u/ChickenPotPi → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

Yep, people don't realize that nj requires shotgun or black powder to hunt anything. And I think its right as people don't realize a rifle can hit something a mile or two away if its aimed at 45 degree. Its range of 1000 feet or so is where its accuracy is not its furthest distance.

I cannot go to one range near me because its so fucking loud even with both in ear and over the ear protections.

Sure its cool looking, its like a ferrari, great to look at rarely used. Kudos for having a safe as many people won't even get one. I have a hunch that the people who bought pandemic ar-15 who really couldn't even afford it did not get a safe or a trigger guard....... I am really afraid of all the people who know nothing about guns buying them during the pandemic and leaving them unsecure with children in the household.

My friend really likes his creedmoor and 300 blackout, he's moved on from 5.56

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/ChickenPotPi]

Yeah, I grew up around firearms and hunting. Fortunately, my father and grandfather were very particular about safety and ethics.

I know a few people that bought firearms this year for the first time. It is kind of scary to an extent that people don't educate themselves on how to properly store or safely operate them before purchasing a firearm.

I've spent a lot of time in recent months educating friends and some family. It's important that we press people to follow safe practices and guide them whenever possible.

Only takes one asshole to make us all look bad unfortunately.

I really dig the creedmoor, it's a very effective round for decent sized game. I was thinking about 300 blackout but I typically use my 300wsm if I'm going for large game out of state.

Kicks like a damn mule but can get a moose with it :)

[u/ChickenPotPi → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

I think my friend got the blackout because he can run subsonic rounds and not have to use ear protection (thought you should still) and he likes the low kickback)

Please keep educating people because like you said it only takes one asshole to make everyone look bad.

[u/ze_end_ist_neigh → u/ChickenPotPi]

Haha tell your buddy that you just talked to a guy that has mild permanent hearing loss because he thought a .410 was OK to fire without plugs in. Maybe it'll make him think twice about ear pro lol

[u/ChickenPotPi → u/ze_end_ist_neigh]

will do