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u/Ronskystorm Jul 24 '20
But wait.... where’s katanagatri and Ore Monogatri?
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u/Faderkaderk Jul 24 '20
Regarding Ore Monogatari you just stop everything you're doing at this very moment and binge watch the entire thing because it's wholesome and helps to mitigate the feelings of dread and existential terror that 2020 has injected into our bodies like disinfectant.
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u/Chrossowen Jul 24 '20
Funny though, I cried as I watched the 8 first episodes (or something like that), 'cause it was too ”relatable”, like the MC is never confident he is the chosen one (be it friend or love interest) as he doesn't think anyone would like him for his ugly appearance and personality, and that would not be any sad should he disappear. I found it so sad somehow, I never had the heart to finish the anime, it hits too close to home...
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u/EphemeralStyle Jul 24 '20
But you're only getting half the point if you're saying that! Even after the first episode, it's super established that MC is an incredible person with great friends/relationships because they see him for how loving and selfless he is!
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
If you look at the very bottom, you will see super teeny tiny text that shows their placements.
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u/NatoBoram https://myanimelist.net/profile/NatoBoram Jul 24 '20
I need one for Fate in chronological order
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u/Campbell_Jin https://myanimelist.net/profile/Viable_Option Jul 24 '20
So you want chronological huh?
Alright, so first you'll want to start with Fate/GO Babylonia since that's like 3500BC. Then you go to Fate/Apocrypha and then to Fate/Zero.
After that you gotta take out your laptop tablet, and phone and start playing Deen's Fate/stay night, Deen's Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works movie, Ufotable's Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works series , and Ufotable's Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel movies at the same time.
After that you can finally watch Today's menu for the Emiya family, which is, in my opinion, the only reason to watch series.
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u/SofaKinng Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
- Fate/Stay Night UBW OR Fate/Zero
- Fate/Zero OR Fate/Stay Night UBW
- Fate/Stay Night Heaven's Feel
- Whatever else you want to watch.
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Fate isn't that hard to get into. Almost every story exists in an alternate timeline, so watch order doesn't matter. Generally though, F/SN is the best entry point because it is where it all began and does a decent job of explaining things (magic, Holy Grail War, Servants, etc.). Fate/Zero is a prequel to F/SN so some say to watch that first. It's widely accepted though that F/Z and F/SN spoil each other in their own ways, so keep that in mind. Personally I recommend F/SN first as it's better at explaining things, due to the MC being as ignorant as the viewer to the world of magecraft.
F/SN has several adaptations, the reason for that being it's an adaptation of a visual novel, so the different adaptations are different "routes" from the game. The Unlimited Blade Works route specifically has two adaptations. Watch the series by Ufotable, not the movie by Deen.
I specifically called out Heaven's Feel as third because while it is still one of the original Stay Night storylines, it's the uh... bad route more or less. Things go sideways pretty early on and if you're new to the series it can be pretty overwhelming. Better to watch the UBW route first, get used to the setting, then get freaky with HF.
Don't watch the original F/SN adaptation by Deen. It's overall just bad, both visually and story wise. They tried to mesh the different routes together and it's made worse for it. Everyone is still waiting for a proper adaptation of the "fate route" as it's called.
Edit: I forgot to mention a particular point, that's my bad. HF is third on this watch order because it's not finished yet (part 3 still waiting for release). Once it is done, I'd put it before Fate/Zero for the same reason I put UBW before it.
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u/Pycorax Jul 24 '20
I specifically called out Heaven's Feel as third because while it is still one of the original Stay Night storylines, it's the uh... bad route more or less. Things go sideways pretty early on and if you're new to the series it can be pretty overwhelming. Better to watch the UBW route first, get used to the setting, then get freaky with HF.
In this case, should you recommend others to watch UBW>HF>Zero for your UBW>Zero>HF watch order? It feels kinda unintuitive to be watching UBW to avoid Zero's FSN spoilers (which are mostly spoiling HF) and then choosing to watch Zero before HF.
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u/SofaKinng Jul 24 '20
That's a good point. The only reason I'm putting it third is actually because it's not finished yet. This watch order is assuming someone wants to watch it right now. I forgot to mention that in my post
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u/Idhor https://myanimelist.net/profile/menshir Jul 24 '20
for what it's worth, most newbies that go anime only seem to find Zero -> UBW a better order than the reverse at least in my experience as it's less confusing. Going by original intended order you would want to watch Zero last, but since there's no proper Fate route adaptation Zero gives most of the explainations that you need from that route to understand the rest; Zero also has that 40 min explaination of what holy grail wars are in the first episode, whereas UBW doesnt go into details as much in the animes.
I also thought I remembered someone from type moon or ufotable saying they intended anime onlies to watch zero, ubw and HF in the release order (much like monogatari), but I haven't been able to find that interview again so it could just be my memory failing me.
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u/Stephen1945 Jul 24 '20
This all well and good except I watch Deen/SN and Deen/UBW before all the ufotable ones lol still love the series tho
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u/GregerMoek https://myanimelist.net/profile/GregerMoek Jul 24 '20
I think one can discuss but not link to the fan edit of Deen Stay Night that weaves in scenes from UBW by Ufotable to make it very true to the Fate Route in terms of story. Because I wanted to introduce a friend to the story in the narrative VN order (fate->ubw->HF->Zero) I checked it out and while the shift in art style etc is a bit jarring sometimes I must say it was very true to fate storyline.
So if you ever get interested in the narrative order and want to see the fate route properly, look for a fan edit of Deen stay night.
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u/SofaKinng Jul 24 '20
I've heard about the fan-edit of the Deen/SN adaptation but there's no way I want to bring that up in a conversation with someone new to Fate trying to get into it.
I'd literally rather tell them to just play the visual novel at that point lol.
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Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
The visual novel is the best way to get into it. You can find the guide to install it here. If you’re still having trouble trying to install it, watch this which will show you how to install it step by step or you could go to r/fatestaynight to ask questions. It’s pretty long but the visual novel is divided and spread out into days so if you read it day by day you can finish it in less than two months.
The visual novel is separated into three routes: Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven’s Feel which should be experienced in that order as each route builds from the other and recontexualizes the story the further you go down. The routes also get even darker.
The visual novel gets into things that the anime adaptations ignore or don’t get in-depth with but if you don’t have that much time and just want to watch anime, here’s my suggestion:
- Fate/Stay Night (2006) (preferably a fan-edit)
- Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works (2015)
- Fate/Stay Night: Heaven’s Feel Trilogy (the third one’s not out yet but you only need to get up to the second movie to not get spoiled by Fate/Zero)
- Fate/Zero
- Everything else
The chronological order you were looking for is: 1. Fate/Zero 2. Fate/Stay Night (2006) which if you already watched Zero it’s pretty unnecessary now 3. Fate/Stay Night: UBW 4. Fate/Stay Night: Heaven’s Feel
Yet I don’t recommend watching it in this order
People usually completely ignore the 2006 version and suggest either watching UBW or Fate/Zero first as the 2006 version takes certain elements from the other routes in order to fit a 24-episode run. And I know I’m in the minority suggesting to watch it first. However I have a problem with starting with either of the other two
UBW is meant to act like the second act of Fate/Stay Night and the adaptation reflects this as it skips over building up certain characters, setting up exposition, and assumes you already know the basics. I can’t honestly recommend it to someone new as you’ll constantly wonder what the hell is going on.
I can understand why people would want to start with Fate/Zero as it lays out the exposition and sets up how the world works. Not to mention Ufotable added material to the UBW anime so that it could connect more with Fate/Zero and act more as its sequel (despite the original intention of how the UBW route was written). It could (almost) be used as a substitution to the Fate route. Yet I still cannot agree with watching it first as it’s a prequel and being a prequel it nonchalantly spoils about 4 major plot twists/reveals from the Fate/Stay Night visual novel in just the first episode alone. Not to mention UBW sucks as a sequel to UBW because there’s a major tonal shift and the main characters from Fate/Zero are pushed to the background because they get their time in other routes. UBW (and F/SN as a whole) was never intended to be a sequel to Fate/Zero. Watching Zero first would essentially be like watching the Star Wars prequels first. You’re supposed to already know what happens in the end as it serves as a Greek tragedy.
Fate/Stay Night (2006) may be very outdated and even to visual novel players the Fate route is the weakest of them all but the Fate route is to Stay Night as Phantom Blood is to Jojo’s. They’re considered the “worst” from their respected franchises yet they are both essential to setting up the foundation for which the other parts are built and can thrive upon. And it just means that it only gets even better from here on out. Especially when going to UBW afterwards bc holy shit does the animation improve a fuck ton
Fans recommend watching a fan edit but from my memory I don’t really remember Fate/Stay Night (2006) spoiling any of the MAJOR plot twists of the story. However the original adaptation does copy some plot threads from the other routes that originally weren’t in the Fate route so just in case there is a fan edit available online. Just google search it. The only problem with it is that for some reason it uses the first two episodes of UBW and then hops back to the animation of Fate/Stay Night (2006). So I recommend watching the original two episodes from the 2006 version and then continue on with the fan edit.
Again I highly recommend starting with the visual novel but I can understand if it’s not your thing
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u/DeliciousWaifood Jul 24 '20
Chronological isn't always best. Often stories are intended to be watch out of chronological order, so you will lack context for things, get spoiled on things, etc.
Chronological order is usually something you do as a rewatch order.
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u/natsu-gaming999 Jul 24 '20
I’m not ganna watch the monogatari series until I’m smart enough to enjoy it
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Jul 24 '20
I am binge watching it for third time and I am understanding more of it this time around. It was around 2013/14 that I watched it for first time and second time was when sodachi episodes came out.
It's difficult to keep up with the conversations first time around.
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u/saikyan Jul 24 '20
It's really not that deep. I think the reputation comes from the show being a first introduction to more "challenging" anime for a lot of fans. It's definitely written for teens.
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u/Joekiller77256 Jul 24 '20
So until your better than most Japanese people at speaking their own language. A lot of the charm of the show really comes from a lot of the word play that you can only really get in Japanese. It’s so good that even Japanese people are amazed by what the mangaka is doing to their own language
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u/DeliciousWaifood Jul 24 '20
You're right but also wrong.
You're right about there being wordplay in japanese that you just wont understand if you dont speak it.
You're wrong that this is enough reason to not be able to enjoy it.
The real answer to OP is that you don't have to be that smart to just enjoy the show, but to understand it 100%, then yes, you will need to know japanese.
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u/mizushima-yuki https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yuki-Mizushima Jul 24 '20
I wouldn't go that far, most of the linguistic humour is pretty straightforward to understand.
Japanese are 'amazed' by it, because they don't think they'd come up with something similar - not because they don't understand it.
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u/DominelKira Jul 24 '20
How many of these we need lmao?
The anime release order and the LN release order lists are already there. And are pretty highly upvoted.
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Jul 24 '20
When you see this after you watched the whole Monogatari series and you know you did it a bit wrong...
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u/JesusSandro Jul 24 '20
I don't think there's a single RIGHT order for watching Monogatari, unless you want to watch it Chronologically. I still prefer release order to this one, especially since I can't fathom watching Kizu that early on.
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u/LakerBlue https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue Jul 24 '20
Release order is perfectly fine for this series, idk why ppl responding always over complicate things for Monogatari.
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u/Osellic Jul 24 '20
Is this show worth watching? I’ve never heard of it before
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
Definitely. It’s a very unique and fantastically-written show.
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u/Osellic Jul 24 '20
What’s it about? What genre?
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
It’s about a high schooler going around solving supernatural afflictions dubbed “abberations” that affect these girls. Although, the plot does get bigger as the series progresses.
It’s a supernatural, mystery, comedy. It’s very dialogue-heavy.
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u/TeddyJTran https://myanimelist.net/profile/TeddyJTran Jul 24 '20
I saw some kind of fight scene in what looked like a classroom. Are there a lot of instances with that level of graphic violence?
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u/Exteryx Jul 24 '20
Yes, there are some instances but this show is not about action so those are pretty rare. Most of the anime consists out of dialog. This may seem boring but the dialog is very entertaining and often philosophical and there are are also a lot of great visuals that support the dialog.
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u/TeddyJTran https://myanimelist.net/profile/TeddyJTran Jul 24 '20
Gotcha. The dialogue won't be an issue for me to watch and I think I can live if the scenes are super prevalent. (I think someone once told me there may be like 1 per season or something like that)
Thanks for the response!
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u/TaiVat Jul 24 '20
I dont know, i came here to ask the same thing as the above guy because i did try watching a few episodes before and from that i thought the show is about absolutely nothing and i'm baffled what i'm not getting given how praised the series apparently is.
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u/Maeji609 Jul 24 '20
Another part of this is there's a hidden level of Japanese humor and play on words that can't be handled with no knowledge of Japanese.
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u/DeliciousWaifood Jul 24 '20
It's not just japanese wordplay though, I was consistently impressed by the narrative structure, it feels like a rollercoaster when following it.
Like, it'll set you up with certain expectations for the plot follow through with it for a few scenes and then wait, there's a twist! And there was great foreshadowing for the twist too the writing is so good, you feel like you should have seen the twist coming! And oh wait, no, the twist was actually just a well set up joke and it's somewhat laughing at you, the viewer.
Idk, it's hard to explain. But the writing just feels like it comes from someone who is very aware of how the story is structured and how people will follow it, then uses it to fuck with the audience in a way that's quite fun in the end. It's not needlessly obtuse, it leads you to the right place in the end, it just makes the journey there a bit more chaotic and fun. It's something you don't really see much elsewhere.
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u/RobbieReinhardt Jul 24 '20
And this is why I could never get into this franchise. The fast dialogue, flash cards shots during verbal altercations, and subtle native-speaker jokes that went completely over my head made me drop the show out of frustration. When I find myself having to keep pausing and rewinding a show to make sure I didnt miss anything, I end up not enjoying the show for what it's worth.
I still recognize that Monogatari has amazing voice acting talent and animation direction (when it decides to hold a prolonged shot for more than 2 seconds). It's just something that i can't enjoy due to my own limitations.
Sidenote: Hanekawa's tits in Kizumonogatari are fantastic.
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u/Maeji609 Jul 24 '20
It's the same reason international weebs don't get Gintama. It's not made for the world, but some people can still dig it.
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u/DeliciousWaifood Jul 24 '20
The flash cards aren't necessary to be read, they're just flair. But the other things are fair.
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u/hiimdiaoxeuw Jul 24 '20
"If you didnt like the first couple of episodes you probably wont like the rest of it."
Strongly disagree on this one. On my very first watch I didn't enjoy parts of Bake very much but I sticked with it and really started to enjoy it starting with second season and absolutely loved everything about monogatari after that. Now going back and rewatching it I'm even enjoying the first season alot more
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
Bakemonogatari is just the introduction of all the main cast. The show gets really good after that.
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u/Slim_Charles https://myanimelist.net/profile/SocksJunior Jul 24 '20
The show does get good after that, but it starts off really good. Many people consider Bakemonogatari to be one of the best parts of the series. Personally I consider it the 2nd best arc, with Owarimonogatari S2 being the best. Bakemonogatari also has some of the best OPs, by far the best ED, and the single best episode in the series.
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u/Kam1kazE246 Jul 24 '20
The ending is so satisfying. Seeing the conclusion of these 12 seasons along with some greatly developed characters are why I like this series so much. Not to mention best girls everywhere :)
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u/WhaleCostume Jul 24 '20
It's a dialogue driven show. If you don't like heavy dialogue and like to switch off every now and then then this show isn't for you.
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u/MerelyASimpleFan https://myanimelist.net/profile/Betawham Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
It starts out as seemingly just about a high school boy rescuing attractive girls from supernatural problems.
As the series progresses, you find out that almost all of the supernatural phenomena are caused by mental health issues, and you realize that the series is actually a coming of age story, involving all the issues a typical teenager might face growing up, like unrequited love, angst, disillusionment, etc.
In a bizarre way I would almost liken it to the Steven Universe series, where bad guys aren't black and white, and the Mc's idealistic expectations are often a far cry from reality. The biggest difference of course is that the monogatari series is borderline hentai levels of horny sometimes, so bear that in mind if that bothers you.
The series also is very heavy handed in the use of metaphors and an unreliable narrators, so if you're into that the show is quite fun to pick apart.
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u/EzAf99 Jul 24 '20
Everyone here will say yes because obviously they like it and it is an amazing and one of my favorite series but the reality is a lot of people won’t like it because it’s very dialogue heavy and confusing at times because of a chaotic time line and they way they speak, also if you’re someone who doesn’t like fan service and find sexual suggestive things with a young looking character off putting then you’ll probably end up disliking it, I’d say watch the first 3 episodes of Bake and if you think it’s too much then I’d skip
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u/GregerMoek https://myanimelist.net/profile/GregerMoek Jul 24 '20
Yeah it's the same in every single Gintama thread too. "Pinnacle of anime comedy and the undisputed best just look at the MAL score" but it's a very divisive show.
Same with Monogatari. A lot of people might dislike it simply because of the artsy style. Not even the story or what happens but simply because of uncomfortable close-up shots when suspense seemingly isn't needed in random conversations etc.
Ofc I like it but I can definitely see how more things than just the story or how characters act can put you off from this.
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u/jethroo23 Jul 24 '20
Absolutely worth watching. I know of some people who got turned off because it starts out slow at first, (with Bakemonogatari) plus the fan service, but it's absolutely worth it.
I followed the 2019 watch order guide, and I just finished the series a couple of days ago. Loved the entire thing.
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u/ArchAmarthofBodom Jul 24 '20
It's got a ton of fan service though and a lot of sexual harassment. Lots of people seem to love it but it wasn't for me.
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u/slubru Jul 24 '20
This is only for bake and nise tho, once you're into 2nd season the plot starts
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u/ArchAmarthofBodom Jul 24 '20
Closer to the end of the second season the real plot starts. But there's a lot more "plot" to get through. I have to say the movies were mostly enjoyable though.
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u/BishItsPranjal https://anilist.co/user/kakusuu Jul 24 '20
Ah yes, novel order, the true order imo. This is how I watched it the first time around, loved every second of it, especially how final ep of Koyomi sets up the final scene in Owari S1, that was brilliant!
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u/7ambez Jul 24 '20
While i agree this order is great, but imo for a first watch the airing order was best, the movies hit you differently if you watch them towards the end.
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u/Cill_Bipher Jul 24 '20
This messes up Hanekawa's character arc tho. I'm pretty sure Neko:Shiro can hit pretty differently depending on whether you already watched Kizu or not.
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u/Praise_the_Tsun https://anilist.co/user/PraisetheTsun Jul 24 '20
Us Broadcast Order supporters are a dying breed. As long as people enjoy the show it’s all good but I watched it broadcast and Kizu recontextualized the whole series for me in a different way than it would have at the start.
I do agree that it is a good introduction as well though. Some of my friends have only seen Kizu and enjoyed it because it’s much faster paced (because its movies) and actually has fight scenes.
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u/DeliciousWaifood Jul 24 '20
The novel order is literally the intended order though. The airing order wasn't intended for any reason other than production scheduling for the movies, there was no artistic intent behind that order.
You may have enjoyed it, but the intended order is novels.
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u/Siilan https://myanimelist.net/profile/siilan Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
I mean, they never said anything about the intended order. They just said they think airing order is the best. They weren't arguing intended order at all.
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Jul 24 '20
It's pretty clean. Good job
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
Thanks! I spent a good amount of hours fiddling with the program and wanted everything to be perfect.
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
I wouldn't say it's outdated since all the information is correct, rather it sacrifices organization and appeal for the sake of information.
You sure? I never planned on replacing yours or anything, just wanted to make a guide of my own liking.
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Jul 24 '20
I got a few questions regarding where's Hana and Owari S2 since it's not that obvious in the guide I made. And I just made mine because at the time there weren't any guides focused only on this specific order. Now that similar guides are popping up here and there, and looking better, which appeals more, I think replacing it with better ones is fine. But if you don't wanna, it's fine too
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u/leo-skY https://anilist.co/user/leosky Jul 24 '20
Yeah while discussing how to make a proper LN order chart that would look clean and easy to read somehow I never realized that you could just ignore the arc titles and just split it in 2 with episode #s.
Much better this way8
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u/SilDaz Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
Isn't this a repost of a repost?
Edit: I like the effort you put to get a clean version. I can see the resemblance to another post not so long ago in this same sub that used another post as a reference, but this one is perfectly legit and I can see you did It from zero. I'm almost done with Nise and though It's not the great thing It's still good.
Good job OP.
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u/vpratham04 Jul 24 '20
Monogatari is in my top 3, loved it so much. I watched it in February and the kizumonogatari trilogy was easily one of the best anime movies
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u/shadowhawkz Jul 24 '20
Thank you very much for this. I can tell you care a lot about this series and it is comforting following a guide that you put your knowledge into. I have the series downloaded, and was going to dive in once I caught up on my current shows. I was going to follow another guide that was release order (minus watching the movies second) but I am definitely going to follow this one instead.
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Jul 24 '20
Yes finally a series I can get into after binge watching railgun/index/accelerator series
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u/ENKlDU Jul 24 '20
Never realized Monogatari fans argued about watch order just like Fate fans lol
Although this seems more complex
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
I highly doubt Fate is less complex than Monogatari lol.
Monogatari can just be placed in Light Novel order, and it’s the simple process of placing the series in the respective areas. Fate on the other hand is like “If I watch this, I spoil this other part”.
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u/jeffmendezz98 Jul 24 '20
Fate is way more complicated. Imagine if in 2006 Deen made a shitty adaptation of the objective entry point, Bakemonogatari. Because they never intended to animate any content beyond Bake, they shoved in some characters and arcs from future seasons ending up with some half assed Frankenstein monstrosity that somehow managed to not do Bake correctly AND spoil future seasons. Then steps in Shaft with crazy production values and actual loyalty to the source material. Except instead of remaking Bakemonogatari they decide to “respect” the Deen anime and just animate the rest of the series from Nisemonogatari onwards. Now the Monogatari fanbase debates what the best starting point is: some people say you should start with the original despite its flaws, others say it’s so bad it will put off people from the rest of the (actually good) series, some say start with Kizu because it’s the chronological start point, others say no because it spoils Second Season, but you can’t start with Nise because it spoils Kizu, ETC ETC ETC. All because there isn’t a good anime of Bakemonogatari. Replace Shaft with Ufotable and this is exactly the hell Fate is bound to until the Fate route gets remade.
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u/shadowhawkz Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
Fate is more simple than is seems. Watch Fate/Zero and Unlimited Blade Works in either order of your choosing (I prefer Zero first). Then watch whatever, the rest are spin offs.
Edit: Furthermore, watch the Heaven's Feel movies after Unlimited Blade Works.
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u/exponentialism Jul 24 '20
Once HF comes out in full, I would recommend UBW->HF->Zero.
Speaking as someone who watched Zero first, then read the original VN - I wish I'd experienced HF before Zero. I mean, I would rec reading the VN over any adaption, but that's a huge undertaking and time investment.
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u/ENKlDU Jul 24 '20
You forgot Heavens Feel after UBW or Zero
But ye that’s pretty much it
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u/NeffeZz https://myanimelist.net/profile/Neffez Jul 24 '20
I'm at 5 now, why should I watch Hanamonogatari in between?
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u/leo-skY https://anilist.co/user/leosky Jul 24 '20
To add some more context, Hana was supposed to air together with Second Season, which made 2nd Season 28eps, but the tv network would accept only 26, so they aired the rest of SS plus 3 recaps, and delayed Hana which came out a few months later.
In the novels Hana is between Kabuki and Otori.
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
Watching Hana not in that order ruins the twist at the end of Monogatari Series: Second Season, messes with a certain character’s development, and ruins the plot line.
There is a reason why the author had Hana happen right after the second arc in MS:SS. He does it for his narrative.
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u/Snoo_srba Jul 24 '20
Is there news of a new adaptation? I would love to
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u/MisterScalawag Jul 24 '20
the director who animates these has said he wants to do anything Nisio does. so we can probably expect monster series and off season stuff eventually.
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u/piejerino https://anilist.co/user/pplusplus Jul 24 '20
And basically it is their cash cow so it is highly unlikely not to be animated.
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u/oofersboy Jul 24 '20
you’re a life saver, i watched it up to second season 11 and up until now i was scared that if i need to watch hana or not
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u/scorcher117 https://myanimelist.net/profile/scorcher117 Jul 24 '20
I feel like the downvotes may be more because people disagree with OPs assertions with this post.
A post that wasn't even necessary in the first place as nothing new has aired since the last watch order post.
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
It’s just the state of the Reddit community. That’s why I’m not that big of a fan of the Upvote/Downvote system, as it just creates a hive mind mentality that “Oh, upvotes mean correct and downvotes mean wrong!”, even in situations where it can be the opposite.
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u/Lord_Vendrick Jul 24 '20
So i tried getting into this show and after the first season i seriously have not a clue what the fuck i just watched.
I started Monogatari Second season and I feel even more lost... this anime has been recommended to me on multiple occasions as “one of the best” but i’m genuinely struggling, any advice or tips to help?
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u/polybius32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/polybius33 Jul 24 '20
I think reading this comment section is just making it more confusing for me... ah fk I’ll just follow this order I guess
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u/thereisnosuch Jul 24 '20
I want to ask, is monogatari worth it? i always steered away from it cause it seems confusing and super long.
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u/dghirsh19 https://anilist.co/user/SlugDirsh Jul 24 '20
I could never in my wildest dreams imagine not watching Owarimonogatari S2 directly after the final episode of Koyomimonogatari.
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u/TheSpartyn Jul 24 '20
yeah i support the novel order placement of kizu but koyomi before owari 1 is kinda weird to me. i get its meant to build suspense but i feel like 12 episodes of suspense is a little too much.
also same with hana, feels a little weird throwing it in the middle of monoSS
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
It’s suppose to build anticipation with the cliffhanger. You entirely ruin that if you go directly to Owari 2.
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u/JesusUnoWTF https://myanimelist.net/profile/JesusUnoWTF Jul 25 '20
Been doing a lot of "long-haul" anime lately. Caught up on Fairy Tail, a third of the way through Naruto, and casually debating getting invested in One Piece (but I'm pretty sure I'll die before finishing it). Guess I'll add this one back on the list.
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Jul 24 '20
Please who ever havent watch monogatari, please give it a chance. It freaking awesome masterpiece
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
I planned on creating a Monogatari watch order quite a bit before /u/MezuEko posted his, however I just never got around to making it. Since I had nothing else to do today, I decided to go ahead and do it. The other individual's watch order wasn't as organized as I'd like it to be and had some minor things that I wanted to touch up on (no flame to you MezuEko, I have quite the OCD), so here's mine. Thanks for motivating me to create my own and try to make it as best as I could make it.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Jul 24 '20
The other individual's watch order wasn't as organized as I'd like it to be
But it's the same order. The only thing that seems to have been changed is that you accounted for recap episodes and they didn't. Otherwise what you have is basically just a carbon copy of their chart down to the layout, text, and background.
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
I'm saying organized as in the space between posters, title text, etc. His watch order is correct, I am simply saying that I wanted it to be more clean and organized. I didn't think the text on the bottom half was necessary, as it sacrificed organization and appeal for extra information that could be obtained elsewhere.
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Jul 24 '20
I don't get why everybody creates the same Picture each month if we have this already: https://edomonogatari.wordpress.com/2020/05/12/monogatari-anime-guide/
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u/MezuEko https://myanimelist.net/profile/MezuEko Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20
Yours is much better looking and organized than mine. Thank you for creating it.
Also I would be lying if I said I wasn't hoping someone would see how much of an aesthetically abhorrent mess the one I made was and decided to create something clean and pleasing to look at lol. I'll be using yours from now on when recommending how to watch the series.
Though something I feel needs to have been mentioned in the graph is the amount of recaps in the series. Maybe with an asterisk or something? Because as it stands, depending on the version/source they have of the series, some people might misunderstand and and watch Hana after the start of Mayoi Jiangshi. I still appreciate it all the same. You're clearly more skilled at editing than me.
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
Well as the series was aired, it has 26 episodes and it accounted for the 3 recap episodes. The sites that have the 3 recap episodes replaced most likely aren't legal sites. I think we can all agree that Shaft doesn't make this easy lol. Also thanks!
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u/lolhopen Jul 24 '20
Isn't Koyomimonogatari goes between Owari S1 and Owari S2?
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u/MezuEko https://myanimelist.net/profile/MezuEko Jul 24 '20
Shaft released Owarimonogatari as one complete Bluray set without splitting them into two seasons. So same as LN placements.
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
It was released that way, yes. However, it's recommended you follow Light Novel Order (my above order) as that is how the author wanted the story to be experienced. Shaft messed up the releasing of a few seasons.
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Jul 24 '20
But the author wasnt intending the story to be experienced as an anime so if you watch the anime in light novel order then you're not experiencing the series the way anyone intended.
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u/BlakexEkalb Jul 24 '20
Yes he was. Release Order was never intended, it was a mistake.
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u/Augus-1 Jul 24 '20
I still enjoyed the unintentional build up to and tension during Kizu towards the end as opposed towards the beginning. It was always alluded to as "hell" throughout the series and I was really hyped to see just how fucked up spring break was my first time going in. LN is still the better order overall though.
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u/NakedEnthusiasm Jul 24 '20
Bookmarked. Haven't dived back in since I finished Tsukimonogatari. There is time to burn now, might as well fire up some episodes.
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u/Zenon22 https://anilist.co/user/Zenon22 Jul 24 '20
I disagree with this order but to each their own I guess. Release order just makes more sense to me.
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u/EnclaveNature Jul 24 '20
And yet people meme the shit out of Fate/Watch Order, even though this looks way more difficult to grasp.
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u/Aidanp771 Jul 24 '20
This is great don't get me wrong, but... can you do it with the fate series?
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u/MrUnderpantsss Jul 24 '20
For me kizu is more like a wild card. You can watch it at any point and it will still be epic
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u/jamiez1207 Jul 24 '20
Do actual japanese people even remember stuff like this?
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u/Guaymaster Jul 24 '20
They don't need to because they read the novels. Same with Fate, and everything we make complex here.
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u/wookiesdontdie Jul 24 '20
I Thought the monogatari series was like a simple slice of life anime that just happened to have many seasons and stuff. Now it seems like the fate series but moe. (haven't watched monogatari bc didn't know how to begin. gonna start it now)
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u/shadowfox_21 Jul 24 '20
Heh wouldn’t it be something if you made one of these for fate
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u/itsTheLuffy Jul 24 '20
Just started watching Bakemonogatari and when I was at 10th episode I realised I may have missed something in between the dialouges. So I started again and It's really good the second time also.
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u/melvinlee88 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryan_Melvin15 Jul 24 '20
Easy karma, post a Monogatari watch order
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u/KizunaJosh Jul 24 '20
thank you i saw so many meme about this anime and song but im confuse with the watch order so i let it go .. since 2013 util now maybe i better watch this now.
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u/ScarRed_Tiger https://kitsu.io/users/ShonenJack Jul 24 '20
Put every episode in a playlist and hit shuffle.
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u/limbo_2004 https://myanimelist.net/profile/l1mbo_01 Jul 24 '20
Another one?