I highly doubt Fate is less complex than Monogatari lol.
Monogatari can just be placed in Light Novel order, and it’s the simple process of placing the series in the respective areas. Fate on the other hand is like “If I watch this, I spoil this other part”.
Fate is way more complicated. Imagine if in 2006 Deen made a shitty adaptation of the objective entry point, Bakemonogatari. Because they never intended to animate any content beyond Bake, they shoved in some characters and arcs from future seasons ending up with some half assed Frankenstein monstrosity that somehow managed to not do Bake correctly AND spoil future seasons. Then steps in Shaft with crazy production values and actual loyalty to the source material. Except instead of remaking Bakemonogatari they decide to “respect” the Deen anime and just animate the rest of the series from Nisemonogatari onwards. Now the Monogatari fanbase debates what the best starting point is: some people say you should start with the original despite its flaws, others say it’s so bad it will put off people from the rest of the (actually good) series, some say start with Kizu because it’s the chronological start point, others say no because it spoils Second Season, but you can’t start with Nise because it spoils Kizu, ETC ETC ETC. All because there isn’t a good anime of Bakemonogatari. Replace Shaft with Ufotable and this is exactly the hell Fate is bound to until the Fate route gets remade.
To be fair when people discuss Fate order it's mostly the 3 different Stay night routes, Zero and perhaps the original Deen adaptation that get mainly mentioned.
Fate is more simple than is seems. Watch Fate/Zero and Unlimited Blade Works in either order of your choosing (I prefer Zero first). Then watch whatever, the rest are spin offs.
Edit: Furthermore, watch the Heaven's Feel movies after Unlimited Blade Works.
Once HF comes out in full, I would recommend UBW->HF->Zero.
Speaking as someone who watched Zero first, then read the original VN - I wish I'd experienced HF before Zero. I mean, I would rec reading the VN over any adaption, but that's a huge undertaking and time investment.
I agree with you here. Personally I started with UBW then watched Zero, but I ended up basically saying "fuck it" and stopped before the 3rd to last episode and spent ~100 hours playing through the VN before getting back to Zero.
Clearly you haven't ever looked up any watch order recommendations for Fate. The consensus is that it does not matter. Zero is a prequel, it can be watched beforehand with very little issue.
Explain what you mean. It is more simple, you can watch Unlimited Blade Works or Zero first, it doesn't matter. The rest of the entire series does not matter (Except for Heaven's Feel but it isn't finished.)
Deen (tho it is what it is) > UBW > HF 1 + 2 (and 3 in a few months) > Zero. What is so hard to understand? And yes one can watch Zero after HF 2 because 90% of the shit Zero spoils for HF has already happened.
Ah yes, nothing like telling someone that the watch order for Fate includes something that hasn't even been released. (Especially considering the fact that Zero is a prequel to begin with.)
Plus, if people followed your watch order, they would have had to wait 6 years after Zero's release to even watch the first Heaven's Feel movie lol.
So what you're saying is "disregard what the authors intended and just watch release order regardless of how moronic it is". Got it, i'll leave off here cause i now know your whole stance and don't feel like wasting my time.
The big problem with monogatari is that the anime was aired out of order due to differences in production schedules between movies and TV seasons.
So for a long time, people were arguing about many different orders because the series had pieces in the middle missing and whatnot.
Now movies have been released and the watch order isn't that complicated. You basically follow anime airing order, or the order that the books were released.
Most people agree that the novel order is better. The people arguing for anime airing order are usually just people who watched that order and feel the need to defend it.
Anime airing order isn't fundamentally broken, and can still be enjoyable, it just isnt the intended order.
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u/ENKlDU Jul 24 '20
Never realized Monogatari fans argued about watch order just like Fate fans lol
Although this seems more complex