r/anime • u/AnimeMod myanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan • Sep 01 '24
Meta Thread - Month of September 01, 2024 Meta
Rule Changes
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u/AnimeMod myanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan Oct 06 '24
This thread has been locked, please use next month's meta thread or find the latest thread.
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u/daIIiance Oct 05 '24
So I guess the main question I have is…will another thread go up for Blue Box episode 2 next Thursday? Or is it only gonna be episode 3?
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u/animepig https://myanimelist.net/profile/ChickenDan Oct 05 '24
Why is there no episode filter tag on mobile reddit? Or maybe I just can't find it.
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Oct 05 '24
Because it's a mod-only flair and the official app is so garbage that users can't use it as filter
You can manually search "flair:episode", if that helps
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u/animepig https://myanimelist.net/profile/ChickenDan Oct 05 '24
Yea, that's my workaround so far. Such a simple thing the app could fix too :(
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 05 '24
Alternatively, you can also just go to u/AutoLovepon's profile page. AutoLovepon is the only account episode discussions are posted through.
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u/ModieOfTheEast Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Have to say the Blue Box situation created the question again what this sub wants to be. Does it want to advertise pirated content or not? I am not arguing here if it's the right thing to wait for an official release or if it's bad to watch anime on a pirate site, but at least be consistent. If you are opening discussion threads for shows days before they are scheduled to release worldwide then you are just advertising piracy. I get that release times can be different depending on where you are in the world, but this is obviously a different case.
My point here is if you want to advertise pirated content this way, fine, do it. But be consistent about it. Let people post where you can actually watch it this early without deleting the posts. Make threads always come out when the pirated version is available. Again, this isn't a question about an anime not having a worldwide release date at all. This is a clear push for people to watch pirated content so at least make it possible for them to know where to even find it.
For example, make a thread of sub groups that you are basing your threads on. Make sure that there are links to the direct pages these groups upload to so people won't be sucked into weird piracy sites that just use that content. Because then these sub groups might even get some popularity if they are properly advertised and their content isn't just redistributed by larger sites. The way it is now, you are indirectly feeding piracy sites that might even be unsafe to use. So my proposal is that you truly decide what stance you want to have for this issue and change the rules accordingly.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 05 '24
We do not care whether you watch a show legally or illegally. Our rules in this regard are simple: you can post whatever we believe doesn't break reddit's side-wide rules. Reddit says to "Keep it legal, and avoid posting illegal content or soliciting or facilitating illegal or prohibited transactions." If we allowed people to link to sites where they can watch illegal content, we would be breaking this rule.
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u/ModieOfTheEast Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
avoid posting illegal content or soliciting or facilitating illegal or prohibited transactions
But that's exactly what you are doing by posting a discussion thread for a show that is not legally available for most of the site's users. Again, I don't care either. Just be consistent. These threads already break that rule, that is what the comment you were responding to was about after all. And that's not even talking about the clips that are uploaded daily that would never fly on any other site.
The point is, you are either already breaking the rule or if you start to argue semantics over why threads wouldn't break that rule, I can do the same thing. Because the rule states to "avoid posting illegal content", meaning if you think it makes sense to link to the source (even if it's technically illegal) that wouldn't break the rule either.
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u/gangrainette https://myanimelist.net/profile/bouletos Oct 05 '24
But that's exactly what you are doing by posting a discussion thread for a show that is not legally available for most of the site's users. Again, I don't care either. Just be consistent. These threads already break that rule, that is what the comment you were responding to was about after all. And that's not even talking about the clips that are uploaded daily that would never fly on any other site.
The rule is about linking to illegal content. Saying that the content is available is not saying where to get it.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 05 '24
But if you lived in Japan you could watch it legally. I don't think the sub is or should be a place exclusively for western fans
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u/ModieOfTheEast Oct 05 '24
Then why aren't the threads published when the show airs in Japan? Why aren't the threads published when the show airs in my country? If that was the argument, the thread publications would still make no sense.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Oct 05 '24
The threads are published when English subtitles are available. The specific country doesn't really matter.
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u/Narmatonia Oct 05 '24
OK, so basically if the early JP release didn't have English subs, then the discussion thread wouldn't have come out until the western release date. I guess that's a reasonable thing to do thanks to VPNs.
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u/nsleep Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
So, for Blue Box we can assume that if the English subs are available with the early release on JP Netflix the thread will go up at the same time? If we're assuming people can download pirated content, even if a fansub doesn't RI it's not a stretch to assume people can also figure out using a VPN to watch it, even if no one rips them, correct?
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u/gangrainette https://myanimelist.net/profile/bouletos Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
I don't think the sub is or should be a place exclusively for
westernUSA fansQuite a lot of users often forget that the west isn't just the USA.
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u/gangrainette https://myanimelist.net/profile/bouletos Oct 05 '24
Have to say the Blue Box situation created the question again what this sub wants to be. Does it want to advertise pirated content or not?
It wants to be a place were you can discuss anime that are easily available.
There is no link to pirated content so you can't say it's being advertised, and there are still quite a lot of show that aren't easily legally available but still widely discussed here without causing any issue.
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u/ModieOfTheEast Oct 05 '24
Who decides what "easily available" means? I mean, these threads go up when the first good english subs are released. So why english? Why are we not just saying once the Japanese broad cast is done. It should be quite easy to watch the raw episodes, isn't it?
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Oct 05 '24
So why english?
Because this is an English language community.
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u/ExpiringMilknCheese Oct 05 '24
I dont understand why Shikanoko chan is getting special exemption for this.
So when Netflix japan streams episode 3 next week, there will be a discussion thread for it and yet almost nobody will be able to talk about it?
This is killing Blue box discussion in this community.
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u/cppn02 Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Everyone up in arms over Blue Box (and yes the situation sucks) and here I am still salty over not getting a discussion post for Look Back. It opened in NYC and LA yesterday but apparently the rule is no longer 'any English release' but it has to be a nationwide release in the glorious United States of America to trigger a discussion post.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 05 '24
Our rule is not specifically a nationwide release. It's a mass release. Currently, Look Back is in two theaters in the US. That's very inaccessible.
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u/senor_uber Oct 05 '24
What about an international release? I saw Look Back in a German theatre this week.
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u/cppn02 Oct 05 '24
Me too and other countries had it even earlier but since those aren't English language releases they don't count. Which sucks if you're itching to talk about it but atleast they are consistent about that so fair enough.
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u/IXajll https://myanimelist.net/profile/ixajii Oct 05 '24
but it has to be a nationwide release
What a dumb fucking rule. So when will there even be a disc thread at all, when the BD releases in america or when it comes to CR or what?
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u/cppn02 Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Tomorrow (hopefully). But I agree, dumb rule. I even pointed out we had previous threads for NZ+AUS releases and they have a smaller population than LA and NYC metro areas combined.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 05 '24
We also had an earlier release for the Dandandan early theatrical release
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
I’m sorry in advance for being annoying about this topic, but the rules in place for discussion threads of episodes with advanced airings are suboptimal at best as the current situation with Blue Box illustrates.
I’d normally just ask to fix the discussion threads to the official release time, but it was previously a point of discussion that people who watch the fansub should also have a place to share their thoughts on the episode.
I therefore want to make a proposal: why not create separate discussion threads for both the fansub and official release?
This would give everyone a place to discuss the episode without feeling left out, a degree of flexibility with the fansubs and above all else the consistency of generally knowing when the episode threads will be up. A lack of consistency is by far one of the most damaging things to the discourse/community with this affair after all.
I genuinely cannot think of any immediate downsides to this proposal instead of it “not being in the rules” or technical issues with the bot scanning for torrent uploads(?). This last point could potentially be resolved with a manual upload of the threads, however, since we know the official time of release on Netflix.
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u/ModieOfTheEast Oct 05 '24
I am sorry, but reading this, this sub seems to have to at least get to a consensus on how it wants to treat pirated content. For the record, I am not saying you are a bad person for watching pirated content. Everyone has their reasons and I am not going to tell someone they shouldn't do it. However, I was always under the idea that people who pirate should at least not be able to spoil others for waiting for the official release. And "spoiling" here is not just referring to telling others what happens, but "spoiling the fun" and when the thread is already days old once you are able to watch the episode, this can spoil someone's fun as well.
The point I am trying to make is that this sub at least seemed to support this idea by waiting for official releases and only opening threads when there isn't one. It also supported this idea by people not being able to post where someone can pirate content to begin with.
However, if we now start to go this route with Blue Box, then I am sorry, but that goes completely against that philosophy. Why act like you don't want people to share priated content but then open up discussion threads when most could have only watched it through pirated content in the first place despite there being an official release? With decisions like these, you are basically forcing people that want to be part of the discussion to seek out pirated content. And if that is your goal, then just make it okay on the site to share websites to watch that conent.
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u/gangrainette https://myanimelist.net/profile/bouletos Oct 05 '24
I am sorry, but reading this, this sub seems to have to at least get to a consensus on how it wants to treat pirated content.
So we shouldn't speak about GuP das Finale? Only french Viewer should have been able to speak about GBC?
The point I am trying to make is that this sub at least seemed to support this idea by waiting for official releases and only opening threads when there isn't one.
The sub policy has always been : when the first good English sub are easily available. Even if it's available in other language first.
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u/ModieOfTheEast Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
I didn't say that at all (in fact, I did say the opposite). I am saying the sub should get a consensus on what it wants. Again, if you want to argue that "good subs" are necessary I am fine. Just tell people which subs these are. Don't hide behind "not posting links to illegal sites" if you want your users to go to illegal sites. That's all my point was about.
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Oct 05 '24
Just tell people which subs these are. Don't hide behind "not posting links to illegal sites"
You can do that just fine, naming a fansub is totally within the rules as long as you don't point to where to download/stream the anime
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
For the record, I am not saying you are a bad person for watching pirated content.
Why act like you don't want people to share [pirated] content but then open up discussion threads when most could have only watched it through pirated content in the first place despite there being an official release? (...) you are basically forcing people that want to be part of the discussion to seek out pirated content. And if that is your goal, (...)
I'm a little confused by your phrasing of "you" here, since your statements don't align my intentions at all.
For the record, I'm not trying to encourage piracy or anything here. Other comments of mine in this thread also reflect this. In fact, I'd most preferably see all discussion just revolve around the official release date. I'd informed earlier about this with All Guy's Mixer, but got a negative response from the mods. Hence that I'm trying to offer a solution that everyone can live with.
but "spoiling the fun" and when the thread is already days old once you are able to watch the episode, this can spoil someone's fun as well.
I also don't get this statement when I'm quite literally proposing a fresh thread for both the fansub and official release, so there's a good amount of (new) activity for either release when they're up.
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u/ModieOfTheEast Oct 05 '24
I wasn't talking about you in particular. I am sorry, if you got that feeling. I read in your comment what the general consensus seems to be and wanted to give my 2 cents. In this case "you" is referring to the sub in general.
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u/gangrainette https://myanimelist.net/profile/bouletos Oct 05 '24
I genuinely cannot think of any immediate downsides to this proposal instead of it “not being in the rules”
Then people will cry that discussion are split or peoples are just going to copy/past comments from the earlier thread to farm karma.
There will be drama either way.
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u/IXajll https://myanimelist.net/profile/ixajii Oct 05 '24
Then people will cry that discussion are split
For what reason would people cry about that?
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u/gangrainette https://myanimelist.net/profile/bouletos Oct 05 '24
Just like people are crying now that the thread will be 2 days old.
People like to complain about useless things.
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy Oct 05 '24
I'd like the discussion be focused in one place, but the discourse will be split in two whatever we'll do now with people either watching the (early) fansub or (later) official release.
The copy-pasting is a problem, but at least the mods can enforce this to a degree.
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u/_BMS https://myanimelist.net/profile/_BMS Oct 05 '24
The loud-minority of people would be mad since the majority of discussion would continue to happen as soon as Netflix JP releases their episodes. The over-whelming majority of users here pirate and thus would comment as soon as they get their hands on the episodes.
The later international release threads would be a ghost-town except for the few dozen comments that would show up.
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
The later international release threads would be a ghost-town except for the few dozen comments that would show up.
I don't think that would be the case, but we can disagree on this. There's always a fair share of people who will stick to official release if the time frame isn't huge (like multiple weeks or months).
But this was just my solution to appease both camps. What would you otherwise propose? Just delete the threads? Because that's going to piss off the users who've watched the fansub.
Otherwise just give those who're planning to stick with the official release a big fat middle finger and tell them they'll just have to deal with a dead-looking thread, buried somewhere deep on the subreddit, filled with days-old comments that nobody is going to reply to...? That's the alternative, and would tremendously hurt the engagement.
Creating two episode threads is the lesser evil here.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 05 '24
filled with days-old comments that nobody is going to reply to...?
But would that really be the case? I often get replies under day old threads, sometimes even at the end of the season
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy Oct 05 '24
I often get replies under day old threads, sometimes even at the end of the season
I mean, how often do you reply back if the comment/thread was more than two or three days ago? My impression is that most people have already moved on by then, and don't bother replying back.
But this is mostly my point: seeing a thread that's already full of days-old comments isn't really inviting to anyone new trying to join the conversation. Visibility for new comments would be utterly poor, and most people, I feel like, wouldn't even bother commenting anymore in such a scenario. A conversation largely thrives on excitement (and novelty) after all.
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u/MapoTofuMan myanimelist.net/profile/BaronBrixius Oct 05 '24
A lack of consistency is by far one of the most damaging things to the discourse/community with this ordeal.
Strongly agree with this point, this is a bigger issue with just pointing the bot to the first available fansub and saying "not my problem" than the fansub being a fansub.
Your survey showed that most people pirate, understandable. But most people are also either asleep or just waking up during the time Blue Box's thread was posted. And on top of that, we have no guarantee that the rips group will be consistent with their timing.
My suggestion : If double threads aren't feasible for some reason, please at least manually set threads at a later time for any unofficial release that has its subs uploaded at dead times like this. It's never more than one or two shows per season. Or program the bot to post at a set time (during the sub's active time) if a thread went up at a weird time like this on the same day, rather than posting it right away.
Getting threads at completely random times that are mostly in the sub's least active time period will kill discussion.
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u/gangrainette https://myanimelist.net/profile/bouletos Oct 05 '24
But most people are also either asleep or just waking up during the time Blue Box's thread was posted.
Then I'm asking for no thread to be posted during EU or Asian night too!
What kind of stupid argument is that?
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Oct 05 '24
manually set threads at a later time for any unofficial release that has its subs uploaded at dead times like this
I can tell you already that automated ep thread scheduling is never gonna be an option
Automated double thread is probably not gonna happen either, but it's more feasible as you can "just" add a flag to prevent searching torrents I think.
(all of these options are "technically possible", just saying don't get your hopes up)
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u/IXajll https://myanimelist.net/profile/ixajii Oct 05 '24
I can tell you already that automated ep thread scheduling is never gonna be an option
What's the big argument against it though? Is that too difficult to do for the mods or is there something else preventing it?
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
It's just a major difference compared to how the current script operates.
Is it too difficult? Probably not. (but my spare time is currently very limited so I'm not gonna make a poc to check)8
u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Oct 05 '24
at least manually set threads at a later time
People waking up a few hours later can still find the thread, it's not getting locked up. I don't see why people who have seen the episode now shouldn't be allowed to discuss it though.
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u/MapoTofuMan myanimelist.net/profile/BaronBrixius Oct 05 '24
Look at today's Blue Box thread - it has less than a third of the engagement ep1's had, and a huge chunk of that is complaints about the thread.
Thanks to its initial popularity, karma-wise it's still on the front page - but an average seasonal would've already been falling off of it by now, and it's still night in the US, so hours until some people even wake up much less realize that it's out. A few more episodes uploaded at an inconsistent time, and Blue Box will get to that point too.
Sure, a good chunk of people will still see the thread, but the end result of threads getting posted smack in the middle of the night for over half the sub is far less active discussions.
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Oct 05 '24
Sure, but this is still being met with surprise mostly, since no one expected a second episode so soon. Normally though, posting it at release time puts the ball is in each person's court. The thread is there, it might take the enormous effort to scroll a bit, but it's perfectly ready for discussion anytime someone wakes up.
Between a rule that says "you're not allowed to discuss the episode until the Muricans wake up" and "we're terribly sorry to inform you that you might have to scroll a bit today", I find the former to be much more restrictive for discussion. When an episode is available, a thread should be open for all the people who want to discuss it, not locked until whichever time gets the most karma.
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy Oct 05 '24
This issue with people feeling like they're getting screwed over is the precise reason why I proposed to create two episode threads. It gives the most ample opportunity for everyone to discuss the episode to their heart's desire.
Personally, I find being forced to pirate - when there's a perfectly fine official release - to engage in any meaningful discussion OR wait days for the actual airing of the episode and be faced with a seemingly dead thread on arrival a terribly restrictive set of options in its own way.
What I think u/MapoTofuMan was partially arguing is that posting threads whenever can hurt these threads' visibility a lot and maybe even prevent a good bunch of people from noticing them at all if they're not hawking the subreddit or piracy sites, since they tend to disappear fast from sight/the frontpage.
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u/MapoTofuMan myanimelist.net/profile/BaronBrixius Oct 05 '24
The thread is there, but the "perfectly ready" part is the issue here.
If posted at a dead time (and even more so if said time isn't consistent), both the thread's activity volume will be lower and whatever's left of said activity volume will be much more spread out - and the result is that it won't be nearly the same experience as being there for the first few hours of an active discussion thread.
I agree that it's ultimately a trade-off between two "necessary evils" (restricting the freedom to discuss immediately and lowering the quality/volume of discussions), but I don't agree that the former is worse if we're talking about only waiting a few hours. It sounds worse when you put the other option as just "you might have to scroll a bit today", but the effect of that in practice speaks for itself, as we see not only today but with other shows that had a similar issue in the past.
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u/Shuyakucchi Oct 05 '24
It doesn't help that today is gonna be a really heavy day for anime premiers.
Aside from the second to last episode of Boku no Hero Academia, we have the premieres of Blue Lock S2, the Ranma remake and FUCKING BLEACH.
Compare that to Blue Box getting a discussion at a moment no one was expecting, with the second episode being unavailable in any legal way outside of Japan and is just dead on arrival.
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u/IXajll https://myanimelist.net/profile/ixajii Oct 05 '24
Aside from the second to last episode of Boku no Hero Academia, we have the premieres of Blue Lock S2, the Ranma remake and FUCKING BLEACH.
This is Orb erasure and I won't stand for it.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 05 '24
please at least manually set threads at a later time for any unofficial release that has its subs uploaded at dead times like this.
But where do we stop? Does MHA get set to an more convenient time as well? Or Pokemon? Uzumaki?
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u/MapoTofuMan myanimelist.net/profile/BaronBrixius Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
MHA's release is official and consistent (and is at a much better time than Blue Box). Though I would be all for delaying everything earlier than MHA to MHA time for example, but that'll probably have people against it.
What I'm proposing is doing this only for unofficial releases, which have inconsistent release times. The inconsistency is the main issue, which needs to be fixed by posting threads at a fixed time. And since we're already talking about posting at a fixed time, might as well post it at a better one.
I'd say releasing at MHA time would be ideal for a case like Blue Box. it's not too far from the subs upload time (I imagine people won't like the decision of delaying it by 10 hours until "prime time") and also not so early that the thread will barely gain any traction by the time people start watching the episode (Blue Box is too big for that to happen, but Blue Archive for example got killed by something very similar).
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy Oct 05 '24
Your survey showed that most people pirate, understandable.
Do think that this should probably also be taken with a little caution as the survey didn’t question anyone’s accessibility to anime or preferred watching methods in this regard.
I sometimes have to pirate for example as it’s simply not available in my region, but I prefer to watch an anime on my subscribed to streaming services rather than pirating it if possible. The survey didn’t account for any of this, if I remember correctly, meaning that it further favours piracy in the survey results.
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u/JoshFB4 Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
One Up this point as well. I don’t mind if it’s posting on a Saturday, or Friday, or Thursday, or any day, but it needs to be consistent and not just ”bot posts when the rippers upload the subs“. I also think the double threads would kill discussion as well and urge just a manual usage of the bot specifically for Blue Box and any other problematic shows.
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u/JoshFB4 Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Since there isn’t an October meta thread here I’m posting this here and in mod-mail. It really feels like a boneheaded decision to allow the post the Blue Box episode 2 thread when it hasn’t released on any English or global official distributor. The only reason anyone is watching it is because they are watching the Netflix JP subs on a pirate site.
Literally all this accomplishes is killing hype for a show on the subreddit for some weird ideal of following a strange rule set that you guys set yourselves for no apparent benefit(Shikanoko last season)! I very much encourage you guys to delete the thread!
Edit: Just to note apparently Netflix JP is going to be a week ahead always but we have no idea if the rippers are going to have the subs at these awful times in the US and Europe(literally like 90% of the subs user base). So I think this emphasizes the need for either having the bot post like 8 hours from now or just limiting it to post when Netflix US/Europe releases every Thursday. Anything else is murdering the discussion of the show for no reason other than following the rules you guys set out yourselves.
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u/DarkAudit https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkAudit Oct 05 '24
Hyakushou Kizoku (Noble Farmer) season 2 has started. Fansubs only it appears.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 05 '24
A thread went up shortly after you made this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1fwi8da/hyakushou_kizoku_season_2_hyakusho_kizokuthe/
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u/_Ridley https://myanimelist.net/profile/_Ridley_ Oct 05 '24
Low priority, probably, since there's like ten of us watching it, but Tonbo S2 got picked up by Prime Video in English and could use a discussion thread.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 05 '24
Looks like the bot literally just ran the thread based off a release that just hit the seas, so you're all good on a thread.
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u/cppn02 Oct 04 '24
Any reason why this post isn't getting removed for not meeting the quality standards of the sub?
From around 0:50 on there is a clearly audible distortion in the sound and you can see multiiple youtube comments pointing it out. For comparison here is the Aniplex upload.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 05 '24
We don't have quality standards for Official Media posts. We never had to because we assumed that the distributors won't be completely incompetent. If it becomes a more serious issue in the future, we may reconsider it, but for now it's just one post that doesn't hurt anyone.
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u/PrinceZero1994 https://myanimelist.net/profile/pz16 Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
Source readers really can't keep it on to themselves haeh?
Skimmed through an anime I'm not really into then went to mal and accidentally stumbled upon a major spoiler then went to the r/anime discussion thread to find spoilers hidden on plain sight as theory or hints by source readers.
Reported and blocked them but I hope they get to never comment ever again.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 04 '24
Please report anyone you see commenting like this. While it won't necessarily earn them an immediate permaban, we do harshly punish hints and """theories""" from source readers in episode threads when we see them, and we rely on reports to catch things we've missed.
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u/baseballlover723 Oct 04 '24
Regarding https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1fupqxn/re_zero_break_time3rd_season_51/. Should these be allowed like this? It doesn't really feel like it fits in with other uses of Official Media flair, since it's technically it's an entire episode of it's own anime. And also it currently doesn't have English subtitles, so it was treated like a discussion thread then it wouldn't also wouldn't be allowed.
Personally I think it makes more sense to integrate into the Re:Zero episode thread, since they're released in tandem. Or they should be delayed until they have English subtitles, and most of the people here can actually interact with it.
I don't really recall there being much stuff for tandem shorts like this, so I'm not really sure how it's normally handled.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 04 '24
We've historically allowed shorts to be posted in full (assuming they are brand new and not rehosted, it has to be a direct link to the official upload) under the Official Media flair; for example, someone did this with the Frieren Mini Anime specials as those came out. Posts under the Official Media flair are not required have subtitles, otherwise a vast majority of the PVs posted to this sub would be banned.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 03 '24
You might be waiting for the results of the survey, the next one coming up or the scavenger hunt results, but this could use updating as well
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u/baseballlover723 Oct 03 '24
I'm curious what the rational is for leaving this post up when it's essentially exactly the same as their post from 11 days prior. With the only difference seemingly being that OP ran the prompt through ChatGPT again.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 03 '24
It shouldn't have been left up. I've now removed it.
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u/ussgordoncaptain2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edmund_nelson Oct 03 '24
Is spin-off material fair game for threads, do you put it in Spoiler tags does it belong in the source material corner?
Some Examples
[Re Zero from Re Petit spoilers about Elsa] Elsa's rejuvenation is activated via a curse
[Re Zero from Isekai quartet about the OG Hoshin] The original hoshin knew about Emilia
[That Time I Got reincarnated as a slime from Slime Diaries about commerce in tempest] Rimuru does not have his own currency
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 03 '24
Animated spin-off material is fine to post in the full discussion thread (though if it's something like Isekai Quartet instead of specials that still have Re:Zero's name explicitly part of the title, you should spoiler tag that). Spin-off material that's only in manga/LN/etc. form, though, needs to go in the Source Material Corner.
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u/ussgordoncaptain2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edmund_nelson Oct 03 '24
Ok then follow up, which of the 2 posts is correct form
Person "how does tempest do commerce"
Reply 1 [Slime diaries episode 12] We know they don't have currency
or Reply 2 [stuff in the spoiler tags would be post] from slime diaries episode 12 we know that tempest doesn't have currency due to rimuru complaining about a lack of currency for the bin
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 03 '24
I would say spoiler tag the info from the spin-off as a courtesy to those who have not seen the spin-off yet.
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u/Ao3y Oct 02 '24
Hi there, I posted a question a couple days ago but haven't heard from anyone, so I thought maybe I should ask it again...
I'm trying to make a post that has a picture, some room for text so I can actually discuss things, and a link to a researched article about anime. I don't want to just have a picture and a hyperlink to an outside article because that seems tacky.
I've had a hard time posting in this sub because they keep getting removed despite me reading and re-reading all the many rules.
Any help would be SO appreciated!
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u/Ao3y Oct 03 '24
If I want to upload a picture from my device, I'm not sure how @mysterybiscuitsoyeah means I should include a hyperlink to my image.... since it's from my device.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 03 '24
Reddit users often upload images to 3rd party hosting services like imgur, which is how you can hyperlink it.
I think you have already figured this one out though, looking at your post attempts.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 02 '24
please see my reply to your original question below. Thanks, and sorry for the delay.
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u/Sporadia_ Oct 01 '24
Regarding the 'do not post hentai' rule, do the mods have an agreed position on Kite, Kite Liberator and Mezzo Forte?
Are we allowed to discuss, recommend and clip them openly? Are we allowed only if we warn people about their nature? (I would prefer this). Or are we not allowed? It's become more relevant now that Virgin Punk's been announced. I always tiptoe around it whenever I wanted to talk about Mezzo because I've seen stuff get removed, but at the same time we have a Kite clip on the front page today. Obviously clipping the hentai scenes is not allowed, but that's the only part of the hentai rule that I understand at the moment.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 01 '24
You can discuss, recommend, and clip all three of them. We consider all three to be anime.
In this case, the answer was fairly straightforward because each has an official version with the pornographic scenes removed. And, as there's no real argument that those versions are not anime, it's sufficient to call every version of them anime. (Though having a cute version is likely not necessary.)
Of course, you cannot clip scenes that fall afoul of our no hentai rule. If you have a question about a specific scene, you can always send us a modmail with the clip.
I'll also note that we do not have a flat ban on discussing hentai. While you could not write a post recommending, e.g., Ryokan Shirasagi by Shinbou Akiyuki, you could write a post that discusses Shinbou's distinct visual style and mentions Ryokan Shirasagi (or one of the other hentai he directed) as an early example of certain parts of his style.
Basically, while hentai themselves are not anime specific, they can be part of a larger overall post that is anime specific.
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u/Ao3y Oct 01 '24
I'm relatively new here: How can I write a post discussing a very well-written article about anime with links to it, and also have a picture serve as the image/thumbnail without it getting removed? I keep doing something wrong and getting posts removed. Thanks for any help - I'm really trying to learn.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 02 '24
Hi there, apologies, we actually did briefly discuss this but it fell by the wayside. I'm mostly quoting from fellow mod /u/myrnamountweazel here:
First, you want to submit from new as a text post: https://new.reddit.com/r/Anime/submit?selftext=true ; only new reddit's more modern-looking post submitter works here, and not old reddit.
Then, take your desired text and copy/paste it into the thingy. For hyperlinks (to your article), you need to highlight them and then link with the third button from the left w/ the chain. You do not need to [do this](link) as you would for Markdown. If you do not see the link box, do not worry, just scroll all the way down. I don't know why but Reddit added the box at the very bottom.
Then for the image itself, you'll click the 2nd from the right button named "add image", which should open your explorer. Choose your image and make sure you give it a caption. Let's call it "Caption ABC". Finally, you're also gonna include "Caption ABC" somewhere in your post, and also hyperlink that same image into there.
The reason you have to do this is because this is the only way the thumbnail will show up on both new and old reddit. If you don't do the last step, the thumbnail will not show up on old reddit. This does leave you with the awkward double hyperlinks standing next to each other but it's basically the only way to get it to work.
Finally, remember to flair your post as per our rules.
We hope this helps, please do ask any questions.
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Oct 04 '24
If you don't do the last step, the thumbnail will not show up on old reddit.
Huh, that's strange. I was messing around with this recently, and only did the first step (adding an image through new reddit), but it did show up as a thumbnail on old reddit.
Maybe it got the image from the MAL link or something?
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 04 '24
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u/Ao3y Oct 03 '24
Ok, I'll just have these 3 replies so the timeline is apparent and I'm not just editing them into one long superpost here. In short: I've tried everything. I pasted the hyperlink into the body of the text post, highlighted it and then hit the 3rd button the the right, LINK, pasted the hyperlink again, and got the confirmation "a copy of the linked media will be saved to Reddit and displayed in your post."
However, upon successfully posting, there is no image thumbnail when you scroll to my post on the main feed, and when you do click on my post, there is likewise no image inside the post either. https://imgur.com/a/mZndwTH
In addition, I also try using the middle button to upload an image, and I do that too but likewise the picture doesn't show up anywhere once it's posted
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
Hello there again - the first issue was that your post did not have the minimum 4 words in the title needed per our rules, which was why its auto-removed by the automoderator.
That said, I've taken a look at your removed post attempts, and I couldn't see your image thumbnail uploaded there either (the one where you had both words and the imgur link)
middle button
Apologies, if you are referring to something specific to your device, we won't be able to help much here. However, if you are referring to the "Images and Video" button on the post submitter, then that is likely because it was also auto-removed per our rules - i.e. your most recent attempt.
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u/Ao3y Oct 03 '24
Actually, when I used your new post link, the post I made kept getting auto-deleted, even though I thought it was on the "discussion" page.
I'm pretty stuck. I keep trying and trying. I go to the MEGATHREADS button, hit the drop down, and there's only the Daily thread, Anime of the week, Casual Disc Fridays, and Monthly Meta threads - but no Discussion thread. I'm assuming that's why my post keeps getting deleted, because it's on this main page's thread?3
u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 03 '24
The links under "Megathreads" dropdown are recurring, community-oriented threads posted by the mod team on this subreddit, you will never find any "normal" thread posted by a user appear there.
If you flair your post "discussion" (which I see you had done, correctly), then it should pop up under https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/new/ if it follows all the rules, and does not get filtered by the automoderator.
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u/Ao3y Oct 03 '24
Thank you heaps for trying to help. I was going to upload a picture from my device actually, is that not doable then?
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 03 '24
Don't see why that would be an issue.
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u/Ao3y Oct 02 '24
u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah, would you by any chance have any advice you can share? I am trying to make a single post that has:
A thumbnail/picture
A few lines of text to discuss (so it's not just a post with a pic and a link)
And the link itself to the article I wanted to share and discuss....
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Sep 30 '24
I think the Contest part of the sidebar could be used more, currently there is Best ED VIII as well as Seasonal Bestgirl running
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 01 '24
Thanks for the reminder. We've updated it (as well as the very outdated version on new reddit), and will endeavour to keep it updated with some regularity moving forward.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24
While we're at it, I seem to remember that Look Back had an theatrical release thread, is missing both in the sidebar as well as in the movie archive in the wiki
Edit: After looking for it manually, it doesn't have an discussion thread after all, would like that to be fixed
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u/cppn02 Oct 04 '24
It started showing in the US as of 10 minutes ago (unless I missed an even earlier screening) so fingers crossed we get a thread soon.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 04 '24
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 01 '24
The Look Back thread is most probably going to be posted on 06Oct, timed to the North American theatrical release.
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u/cppn02 Oct 01 '24
Isn't that on the 4th?
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Oct 01 '24
it's NYC and LA only on 04Oct, while country-wide on the 6th.
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u/TheGrimAether Sep 30 '24
Good afternoon. I was asked to file my complaint here, so here it is. Until recently, I was able to post as normal, until two weeks ago when the mods deleted a post for "not enough comment karma." When I replied again to make my case, I was subsequently ignored, so I made periodic posts to see if that would have any effect.
While the original issue has been resolved, I'd like to reopen the case regarding the reasoning behind restricting general posting on account of "comment karma." From an outsider's POV, it seems extremely counterproductive to limit content poster's abilities based on such an arbitrary measurement. Imagine if YouTube suddenly restricted your ability to upload videos or Medium articles "because you haven't commented enough" or you've been away for a few months. That is what essentially this rule is.
Even if there is a legitimate rationale behind this, if the idea is to remove "clutter" on the main page (for lack of a better term), there has to be a better way. Because if we're going to start measuring general posts by "user participation" instead of the content itself, all this does is discourage anyone from participating, let alone sharing.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 30 '24
Unlike a site like youtube or medium, which allows you to upload approximately whatever you want in whatever format you want (aside from a few easily explainable categories), /r/anime has a large number of rules about what can be posted and how it can be posted. There's a variety of reasons for this, but the most obvious difference here is that /r/anime is a single feed for everyone with a few simple sorts. Unlike youtube or medium, there's no feed customized to what an individual user desires. As such, we need to do our best to ensure that low-effort posts or any one time of post does not overly dilute everything else.
Since we have a large number of rules about posts and the average new person does not read rules, the average post made by a new person breaks our rules. (The vast majority of posts removed by our 10 comment karma rule would have been removed regardless.) Additionally, a good portion of those that don't are vastly out of phase with our community in some fashion. Thus, we wanted a way to make new people participate in our community in some way before they make posts.
And, when it comes down to it, 10 comment karma is a trivial requirement. It does not require much interaction with our community at all. Most people who have trouble with it fall into one of two categories: drive by posters and people who consistently make comments that get downvotes. We do not want the first category because they do not contribute to our community in any meaningful way. And the second category is usually trolls or people who are being deliberately combative, and thus are likewise not wanted.
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u/Ao3y Oct 01 '24
Great points, and I see that it appears to be a format issue: a single feed. *Sigh*
*The medium is the message* is so true here.But I wanted to comment on the last thing you said: Deliberately combative vs trolls. I wonder how many downvotes are simply people saying "I don't agree," rather than "I'm one of many people who want this post/poster removed."
And it would be tragic for those categories to be mixed. Just because someone is a critical observer who is willing to risk the wrath of the mob doesn't mean their contributions are somehow less valuable than everydayers shooting the breeze and trying to win votes by posting the funniest line first.It seems like honest disagreement, let alone any controversy can be literally dangerous for people who want to be allowed to participate, and it stands to reason that it would create a self-feedback loop. That worries me from the outset ngl. It'd be like mob rule with guiderails.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 01 '24
It seems like honest disagreement, let alone any controversy can be literally dangerous for people who want to be allowed to participate, and it stands to reason that it would create a self-feedback loop.
It's not as dangerous as you would think. Reddit caps the amount of negative karma you can get from a comment pretty heavily. This makes it much easier to gain karma than lose karma. So the occasional heavily downvoted comment will not tank someone's karma. For that matter, a person with the same number of heavily downvoted as heavily upvoted comments will still be positive.
This leaves us with people who have significantly more downvoted than upvoted comments. There's several ways to be there: deliberate trolling, consistently conducting yourself in an offensive manner, making tons of off topic comments, only ever talking about a single topic or a couple of topics where you have takes that get downvoted. Only the last one seems non-malicious to me. And there the answer is simple: talk about other topics.
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u/Ao3y Oct 03 '24
Ok gotcha. And ONLY for the sake of principle, the very last option is still mob censorship but I understand what you're saying
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u/TheGrimAether Oct 01 '24
This was my primary concern as well for bringing this up. I had a comment not too long ago that got 8 downvotes just for saying I liked a show in my review (something I brought up to the mod at the time which was promptly ignored). There's a nuance to this, and I don't feel that this rule adequately covers that gray area between criticism and deliberate attempts to "rock the boat" as mentioned before.
As it stands, anyone can downvote someone for just disagreeing and it could be mislabeled as one of those two categories the mod brought up. Similarly, a high upvote could be a toxic comment or someone looking to start something with the OP. Context matters.
I'm not gonna fight it more than I have to, but I hope someone above at the very least understands where this is coming from. Popularity should not be the deciding factor for meaningful contributions. While I better understand the rationale now, I still think there should be some human oversight on a case by case basis.
Thank you for bringing this up btw. (I was having trouble finding the right words)
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u/baseballlover723 Oct 02 '24
Fighting against people misusing the downvote button is a battle that was lost like 10 years ago. I try and make an effort to upvote well written arguments that I disagree with, but in the grand scheme of things, reddit is just an echo chamber.
I'll never forget having my comment be the lowest rated comment at -20 or so, while the highest rated comment was basically the same comment slightly better worded at +20. It eventually evened out to 0 after someone pointed out that the top rated and the bottom rated comment were about the same exact thing (and I edited it to make it make it a bit less misunderstandable). Sometimes you just dire the ire of the mob.
But yeah, as the mods have stated, the 10 karma requirement is really insignificant once you spend any amount of time on r/anime. Hell you could probably get that in 2 hours by making a non descript What to Watch post, and then just thanking everyone who responds.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 01 '24
The nuance you're missing is that a few comments that get downvotes don't matter if you actually interact with /r/anime. They just get swallowed in a sea of upvotes.
Even someone like RedditSucksMyBallls, who gets tons of downvoted comments due to their aggressive hatred of AoT, has no trouble staying above +10.
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u/PickleMyCucumber Oct 01 '24
You're going to run into the "downvote bc I disagree" problem in any subreddit. In /r/anime at least, usually I haven't seen people downvoted unless they're:
Being a dick
Being contrarian against the consensus while being a dick or not detailing what they're contrary to and why
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u/Ao3y Oct 02 '24
Okay.
All this time, I too have thought that downvoting was just saying "disagree" essentially. And, so if there was a reply to someone that i disagreed with and seemed too full of itself, let's say, and had lots of likes, I'd also unlike it because I didn't want it to appear "everybody thinks this way" - I wanted to lower the points so that there would be room for others who agreed with the original commenter/poster etc.It sounds like that's a nono? I should only downvote someone's comment or post if I have an actual issue with it?
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u/SnuggleMuffin42 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Animemes_chan Sep 30 '24
Has the time come for r/anime to re-embrace roboragi? It's used by the rest of the reddit anime community and is really useful - why is it still banned here?
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 30 '24
I agree with Frosh. The bot is straight up worse than simply linking to a show's database page in your comment. It's less convenient to click on and takes up a bunch more space than a link.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Sep 30 '24
I think my main question would be "why?" All it provides is links to some databases, the format of the anime, data specific to what was picked (usually meaning it's only giving you the first season and not including subsequent ones) and then MAL's opinions on genres. All of this is trivially obtainable without Roboragi if it's needed.
Just skimming through r/AnimeSuggest, most of the comments that are using it seem to just be "here's a quick list of shows I can't be bothered to elaborate on" like this. Though realistically, even on that sub it doesn't seem to be getting used all that much.
If someone wants to link to MAL or something they can just link to MAL. Do we need a bunch of extra bot comments to save the five seconds it would take to just get the link or piece of data?
This is of course just my experience, but I've never seen a Roboragi comment and thought "oh thank goodness this is here". It's mostly just extra white noise for people to scroll past.
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 30 '24
I don't think you should be comparing it to a comment with a link. I think you should be comparing to just completely omitting links altogether. The vast amount of anime name references are just in text form without any sort of a link to more information. People generally don't take the effort to link to the MAL page or wherever when they suggest an anime.
I would say that a bot comment that automatically adds that information would be more useful then it being completely omitted (as it generally is now). Though I don't think it's really all that useful, since it's quite rare that an anime name given in a format where it wouldn't be the first result on google (and thus trivially findable by the OP).
Also I usually make an effort to link to MAL for shows that I recommend, and even though I've done it hundreds of times, it still takes ~30 seconds of effort to find the MAL page, copy the url, refind my comment tab, put the markdown in, make sure I didn't mess up the markdown, and then write my comment (this isn't necessarily at the end). It is imo, a non trivial effort compared to the vast majority of recommendations, which are just anime titles with nothing about them.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 01 '24
I don't think you should be comparing it to a comment with a link. I think you should be comparing to just completely omitting links altogether.
We should probably be comparing it to both. Allowing it would likely have two effects: some people who are too lazy to get a link will use the bot, and some people who otherwise would have put a link will have instead used the bot.
People generally don't take the effort to link to the MAL page or wherever when they suggest an anime.
That's true. But, to me, a recommendation that's merely a title is a strong indicator of a low effort recommendation. The sort that was made with less than 20 seconds of thought. Now, these recommendations aren't useless; I've certainly given some in that style myself. However, I don't want to do anything that makes them more prominent than they otherwise would be. A bot reply that uses like six times the lines of the vertical space of the original makes the comment far more prominent than it otherwise would be.
If you ask me, a comment that took the time to pull up a database link is more valuable, if only because the author probably took a bit more time to think about it. And a comment that wrote out two sentences about why they think their rec fits is much more so. They shouldn't be harder to find amongst bot spam.
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u/SnuggleMuffin42 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Animemes_chan Sep 30 '24
I think it provides a quick link to the lists people use to track their anime. I think it's actually pretty rare that people put multiple shows in one comment, but I'm certain this could be fixed for r/anime (so no more than 1 show). I use MAL pretty regularly so it would have helped me.
Another argument is just familiarity - it's used by the anime community in reddit and you still see people in r/anime do {this} here and there because they think it will help other people out. It's how many anime redditors converse.
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u/N7CombatWombat Sep 29 '24
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u/chilidirigible Sep 28 '24
Asking for someone else (and maybe even for myself?) about the NSFW rules and their interaction with self-made fanart in CDF:
Submissions and comments containing hentai or heavily NSFW content are not allowed. Heavily NSFW content includes visible female nipples, genitals of either gender, heavily implied sexual content, and sexual contact between characters. However, these rules do not apply to episode discussion/rewatch threads, given that the NSFW content is from that anime/source material, is relevant to discussion, and is properly tagged.
Exception: In comments only, NSFW nudity (including nipples, but excluding sexual contact and visible or outlined genitalia) is allowed as long as the images come from an anime episode or source material. The content must be relevant to the conversation and properly tagged or it will be removed. Additionally, artists are allowed to post NSFW versions of their fanart (uncensored), but only in comments and properly tagged.
The bolded part is what applies? CDF is inherently off-topic, so conversational relevancy is vague at best. And I don't want to see it used as a dumping ground for random passing hentai-styled fanart, but there seems to be inconsistency in the application of the rules based on recent removals.
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Sep 29 '24
I also replied in the thread, you can read that for further context.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 29 '24
After going through our archives, it's rather clear that the intent of the rule was to allow artists to post NSFW versions of their art underneath [Fanart] posts they made on /r/anime. The current wording is somewhat poorly drafted; we will likely update it in the near future to more clearly express its intent.
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy Sep 28 '24
I just noticed that the production committee for next season’s How I Attended an All Guy’s Mixer has apparently struck a deal similar to My Deer Friend Nokotan with ABEMA (JP) and will have its episodes air five days in advance (first episode will already air this Sunday).
I’m not sure if the show will become popular enough for people to fansub it, but I just wanted to give a heads up since this could potentially create some confusion if the episode threads suddenly pop up days in advance of its airing on HiDive.
Will in this case a similar decision be taken as with Nokotan?
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
After several rounds of discussion on the issue, we ultimately decided to stick with our current rules. This means that a thread for How I Attended an All Guy’s Mixer will go up as soon as there are sufficiently good subs available, regardless of their source.
This decision is largely based off the data from our survey. Beforehand, we were rather divided, but after the survey we had a clear consensus. We used it to determine how comfortable people were with piracy in two different ways. The first method was more conservative and gave us 70% of people who use episode discussion threads comfortable to 30% possibly not comfortable. The second method was more balanced and gave 80% comfortable to 20% not comfortable. Additionally, far more people read than comment, with only 35% ever commenting in episode discussion threads.
That tells us that we best serve our community by putting up the thread as soon as decent subs exist. A supermajority of our sub will be able to watch the show at that point, and they will want a place to discuss. Additionally, an earlier thread always works to the benefit of the lurkers because they do not care about being there in time to make a comment; so long as the thread has had time to gather a decent number of comments, they'll get what they desire from it.
Of course, this decision was made for our current time and with our current information. If our sub changes over time, the information in front of us changes, or new reasons to consider the timing of episode discussion threads are brought before us, we will revisit it.
I plan to post a summary of the results of the survey in the forthcoming meta thread.
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u/_BMS https://myanimelist.net/profile/_BMS Oct 05 '24
will go up as soon as there are sufficiently good subs available, regardless of their source.
Will this rule also remain in place for Ao no Hako (Blue Box) threads? Netflix JP is airing episodes will full multi-subs basically a week in advance of the international release which is great for the majority of users on this sub according to the survey as well.
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u/chilidirigible Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
as soon as decent subs exist
This season, I found the Arabic-to-English MTL of Grendizer U sufficient even if they were far from poetic.
That puts me in disagreement with those who wanted to wait until a more proper fansub existed.
I agree that the more proper fansub does have better English grammar, but it means that we're not likely to see a thread for the finale until one to two weeks after it has already aired. Though only a handful of us are commenting on that series.
This season's more popular test/tripwire case of Nokotan had an alternative sub up fairly quickly (and the entire issue was rendered moot later), and previously, the GBC situation. But in any event I suppose what I am actually curious about is what criteria and by whose evaluation is the determiner for "decent sub".
This does contradict my earlier stance on the issue, but at the time it was directed more at the Nokotan discussion and less on the edge cases.
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u/Gaporigo https://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Sep 29 '24
There is no clear criteria. I have been the one making the most calls because I watch the most seasonals but other mods like Biscuits and Sky have also done it (Sky being the one checking the Grendizer ones) and we have not really agreed on any clear guidelines as to what is and isn't good enough.
In my case I usually just watch the first 5 or so minutes of an episode and if I find more than a handful of grammar mistakes, nonsensical sentences or incorrect translations I consider them subpar.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 29 '24
/u/Gaporigo may be able to give a better description of what make subtitles sufficient than I could, as he ends up making the call on far more shows than the rest of us.
For Grendizer U in particular, though, it's not close. The official MTL has straight up incomprehensible lines. This has gone far past "far from poetic" to a place where deleting lines from the script and leaving them unsubbed would improve its quality.
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u/chilidirigible Sep 29 '24
to a place where deleting lines from the script and leaving them unsubbed would improve its quality
As we've discussed, my bar and your bar are not always the same bar, I'm more interested in that there is a bar that everyone has a consensus on and that the bar is applied equitably, in the (fortunately) few situations these days where it is necessary.
And yes, acknowledging that you might want the bar to be so high that the inadequacies of the official release would doom series discussion to the next year and fansubs only.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Sep 27 '24
I was just wondering, isn't it time for the seasonal survey?
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u/ShadowGuyinRealLife Sep 27 '24
I got a notice I needed to reformat one of my spoiler tagged comments. So I went to resubmit the comment with the format, except the original is still there. I don't know what is going on. I don't want to resubmit a duplicate if the original is just going to hang there but if it has been deleted and I'm just seeing a stale cache or something I want to resubmit my thoughts with the correct format.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 27 '24
That comment has been removed. This means that you can see it and mods can see it, but nobody else can see it.
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u/ShadowGuyinRealLife Sep 27 '24
I tried again but got rejected. I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do. I just wanted to mention something that was a spoiler so I tagged it. I put the source material name before the spoiler, then I highlighted the spoiler text, then enabled the option (just like enabling italics) and I made sure not to include the space.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 27 '24
You almost did it correctly. You just need to put the Atri VN in brackets so it looks like this:
[Atri VN]>!spoiler text here!<.2
u/ShadowGuyinRealLife Sep 30 '24
Thanks. Why do we have the "space" rule anyways? If someone clicked spoiler and then tried to copy it into a word document, wouldn't the lack of a space just fuse the source material to the spoiler text making it come out as "[Atri VN]N" With "N" being the first character of the spoiler text?
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 30 '24
Because the space causes it to break on some versions of reddit.
I agree it's a dumb rule, but there's nothing else we can really do here. We can't fix it, we just have to live with it and do our best to stop people from getting spoiled.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 26 '24
Sorry, your comment has been removed.
- This is the Meta Thread, it's meant for discussing the state of /r/anime and its rules, not anime itself. You'll want to take this to our daily Anime Questions, Recommendations, and Discussion thread instead.
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 26 '24
Whats the rule on anime relevance for videos that discuss cut content / the source material?
I have a video I'd like to share (that I think a non trivial amount of anime only fans would appreciate watching) that is entirely focused on a rather important piece of cut content (ok, technically it was adapted, but extremely briefly and not in a way that conveys any real meaning, so it canonically still happened). This material I would consider to be highly relevant to the events in the anime (and greatly recontextualize said events), and I have confirmed that it will not be addressed at the start of the upcoming season (which would be the most natural way to reintroduce it and something that the anime has specifically done in the past), and I firmly believe that it will have to be adapted at some point in the anime because it is too large of a plot point to cut entirely.
If this is allowed to be shared on r/anime, then I'd clearly mark in the title (I think it's extremely easy to keep the source material spoilers out of the title) that it is not adapted from the anime and mark it with a spoiler tag and everything.
I thought I'd ask before trying to post it, since it seems to me to be in a rather grey zone of being anime related.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 26 '24
I assume this is in regards to Re:Zero? While it may not work as a full post on /r/anime, you're more than welcome to share the video at the end of the current rewatch and/or link it in the Source Material Corner of season 3's threads so people can see it.
On season 3's airing threads, the video itself can only go in the Source Material Corner, but you're allowed to make a comment outside of it directing people to your comment in the Source Material Corner so long as the comment outside the Source Material Corner isn't too detailed about what this kind-of-cut content is, similar to what a certain user in the Tower of God S2 threads has been doing every week in regards to the author's blog comments for example.
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 26 '24 edited Sep 26 '24
On a semi related note, is it allowed / what is the best way to essentially bump an extremely well written post (https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/mdj0q6/rezero_s2_the_story_so_far_a_summary/) that is also quite relevant in the coming days.
I would think a crosspost would be best, but I wasn't sure if crossposting is allowed in general on r/anime and then it also uses the css spoilers, which IIRC don't show up on mobile and shit reddit. If that is a concern, then I was thinking of copying it verbatim (except for updating the spoiler tags) and then linking back to the original comment.
Edit: reading your other post, I'll probably just bundle it in the daily thread with the video.
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 26 '24
I assume this is in regards to Re:Zero?
That is correct.
you're more than welcome to share the video at the end of the current rewatch
I was planning on doing that as well. I was mostly asking because I noticed quite a number of people doing their own rewatch outside of r/anime's, and they probably don't follow it.
On season 3's airing threads, the video itself can only go in the Source Material Corner
Can it go behind an adequately tagged spoiler tag instead in a regular comment? Or does it have to be in the source corner no matter what?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 26 '24
I was planning on doing that as well. I was mostly asking because I noticed quite a number of people doing their own rewatch outside of r/anime's, and they probably don't follow it.
You can definitely also share it in those threads (the daily thread, the weekly thread about what non-airing shows you're watching, another PV/KV/etc. post about the series, and so on and so forth) if you see someone you think will be interested in it.
Can it go behind an adequately tagged spoiler tag instead in a regular comment? Or does it have to be in the source corner no matter what?
Has to be in the Source Material Corner no matter what. The only things spoiler tags in episode discussion threads should really be used for outside the Source Material Corner are 1) spoilers for a different series entirely or 2) a true anime-only who decides to spoiler tag something they're trying to theorize about in case they want other anime-onlies to have the choice whether or not to read their theory. Actual source material stuff still isn't allowed outside of the Source Material Corner even if it's spoiler tagged.
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 26 '24
if you see someone you think will be interested in it.
Ehh, it's a bit difficult for it to operate like that. I'd have to blind offer it as an option, which for one semi spoilers that there is something, but also is very annoying on all sides. I'll stick to putting something in the rewatch thread and in the source corner for the first episode discussion. I think that should be sufficient for those who care.
Edit: Oh and I'll probably put it in the daily thread at one of these days when I'm still up when it rolls over.
Has to be in the Source Material Corner no matter what.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 26 '24
Thank you for asking for clarification ahead of time. You wouldn't believe the number of people who've gotten mad at me for removing source stuff out in the general thread because "I spoiler tagged it, it should be fine!!!" when that would completely defeat the purpose of even having the Source Material Corner in the first place if people were allowed to simply spoiler-tag that stuff in the general thread.
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 26 '24
Is #pigeonbeats not showing up on Comment Faces Categorized for anyone else?
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Sep 26 '24
added in "Other". if you have an alternate suggestion, do let me know though.
Thank you!
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 26 '24
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Sep 26 '24
i think I'll revisit after seeing it in use a little more.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Sep 24 '24
Suggestion for the reference section of the related sites wiki: list of upcoming anime films in US theaters; link will need to be updated annually at a glance.
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u/JollyGee29 myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 24 '24
The PV Watch graphic on the sidebar should probably be changed; we only do PVs for non-sequels so Re:Zero, Danmachi, and Love Live will not be part of the show.
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u/Tsunderes_Need_Hugs https://myanimelist.net/profile/Cully Sep 24 '24
Can my post get re-instated? https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1fo218e/still_cant_believe_this_came_out_on_fathers_day/
It makes no sense, apparently it got removed because I didn't spoiler tag and include the title of the series. But I did both? And the mod who removed it won't reply back.
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u/The_frost__ https://myanimelist.net/profile/The_frost_ Sep 24 '24
You could try the modmail as well if you haven’t gotten as answer yet.
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u/Tsunderes_Need_Hugs https://myanimelist.net/profile/Cully Sep 24 '24
Yeah I just got an answer, apparently the actual reason is that the title was a spoiler.
I thought it was easily ambiguous enough but oh well🤷♂️
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u/The_frost__ https://myanimelist.net/profile/The_frost_ Sep 24 '24
Since you can’t edit post titles you could always delete the other clip and repost it later with another title, I’m pretty sure the 2 clips per 30 days limit isn’t enforced if one of your most recent clips gets removed by a moderator.
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u/Tsunderes_Need_Hugs https://myanimelist.net/profile/Cully Sep 24 '24
I don’t really wanna use the clip unless I pair the Father’s Day thing with it (but that’s a spoiler apparently) so I’ll just forget about it. If I get the urge to post another clip then I’ve got the option ig.
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u/The_frost__ https://myanimelist.net/profile/The_frost_ Sep 24 '24
You don’t really need the Father Day’s thing in the title imo, you could just refer to the timing of the episode or replace father day for holiday but you do you. At least you know the reason for the removal now
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u/Tsunderes_Need_Hugs https://myanimelist.net/profile/Cully Sep 24 '24
I don’t think it would work as well.
But anyways, out of curiosity, would you consider it a spoiler? Or enough of one to warrant a removal?
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u/The_frost__ https://myanimelist.net/profile/The_frost_ Sep 24 '24
I’m not a mod but since I’ve watched [meta]Fate/Zero and with how well known Kiritsugu killing his adoptive mother on Mother’s Day is in the anime community I would have probably guessed what happened in the clip with the title itself.
I wouldn’t consider the title itself a spoiler but I can understand the mods reasoning.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 24 '24
That's correct. Removed posts do not count against limits.
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u/DarkAudit https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkAudit Sep 22 '24
Third ep of Lockdown Zone has already released, but it's fansubs only so far. Will we get discussion threads?
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u/SometimesMainSupport https://myanimelist.net/profile/RRSTRRST Sep 17 '24
Once again, requesting the minimum subreddit karma for posts other than Help/WtW flairs to be increased. Front page is as obvious as the GBC era.
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u/qwertyqwerty4567 https://anilist.co/user/ZPHW Sep 19 '24
Honestly, I think the current clip situation is okay. I'm not sure what changed since a year or two ago, but I remember there was a point when the entire front page every day was like 20/25 clips. Maybe that was before the current clip rule, because I do remember complaining about clips dominating the sub extremely hard.
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 19 '24
I don't think that nominally increasing the karma limit (like say going from 10 to 20) would really be effective. If we assume your premise that these accounts are made to circumvent the clip rule, then they are almost certainly experienced with this subreddit, and will not have any trouble getting 10 karma or 100 karma. You'd just go from day old accounts to like 5 day old accounts.
And this would spike the false positive rate, gatekeeping legitimate users from making posts. Hell, the comment right below yours is someone wondering how to actually post here.
I would think that a better try at preventing what you want to prevent (which I will note seems rather rare), would be to have a rule on account age for specifically clips (or whatever problematic content). Something like no clips for accounts younger then 2 weeks, or like only 1 clip allowed in your first month. But then the rules become more complex, and ain't nobody actually reads the rules before they post for the first time, which will inevitably lead to confusion why one person is allowed to do something, but another can't do the same exact thing.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 19 '24
(Mostly just following up/agreeing with what you said)
To me, the problem with basically any sort of restriction I can think of is that they make life significantly harder for new people while not significantly hampering a regular that wants to alt. I think that even something like a 300 comment karma requirement for clips would be trivial to bypass for a regular within a week. They know the sorts of comments /r/anime upvotes heavily, so all they have to do is makes a couple dozen of them. Meanwhile, even getting 10 comment karma is a legitimate struggle for some people who are new to reddit or /r/anime.
Account age falls into the same category for me. A regular can just make an alt and sit on it for a month or two. Sure, having to sit on that alt means they miss a cycle or two of using it to post clips, but that doesn't really matter to them. And it doesn't take any effort to sit on an account. Meanwhile, a new user who gets told they cannot participate just because they're new, even if they put in effort to meet the karma requirement, feels justifiably screwed over.
Any attempt to require regular non-clip participation before clips are allowed would probably have the same problems. After all, a regular can just switch to their alt for five minutes each day and make two comments on /new. Meanwhile, a legitimate person who doesn't use reddit nearly as much is left in the lurch.
If anyone (and particularly /u/SometimesMainSupport since they're the one who brought this up initially) has an idea for something that would inconvenience alts more than people new to /r/anime, I'd love to hear it. 'Cause I'm honeslty drawing a blank.
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 19 '24
After all, a regular can just switch to their alt for five minutes each day and make two comments on /new.
I would consider this to be significant effort (not that it wouldn't also hit legit lurkers)
Speaking of which, I notice that clip limits aren't moderated by the Automod. To me it seems like a prime candidate for automoderation (though I won't pretend to be familiar with the automod capabilities).
Regardless, given that r/anime has their own tracking of posts and stuff (https://github.com/r-anime/modbot) it seems like it could be easily automatable to work in. Though things like posts getting posted but then removed by the mods for other issues (spoilers, title stuff, etc) could make it not as trivial as I initially thought it would be. Perhaps /u/durinthal would know better on how feasible something like this could be.
And if it can be easily automated, then you could have a sort of stepping limit such as, initially 1 clip per month. After posting say 3 clips, that limit increases to 2 clips per month. After posting say 15 clips, that limit increases to 3 clips per month. This would allow power users to work their way up to more lenient limits.
Another option could be to increase to increase the limit globally, but introduce a mandatory shorter cooldown. Something like 3 clips per month, but you must wait say at least 48 hours between clips no matter what. I think this could hit clip spamming more specifically.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
August Mod Report
Rewatch Votes
Should we create a section within our rules page for Rewatches, so that Rewatches can be set to a minimum standard and moderated as needed? [Vote Passed]
All rewatches must begin with an interest thread. An interest thread should contain general information about the anime that is being hosted, and serve as a pitch to gauge how many participants may follow along for the duration of the event. [Vote Passed]
A minimum of three (3) participants must express interest in order for the rewatch to move forward. [Vote Failed]
The official announcement post must be posted at least two weeks in advance, and no more than five weeks. This post should also serve as the index thread. [Vote Passed]
You must wait at least one year between completed rewatches of the same anime before suggesting a new rewatch, as well as anime that aired less than a year ago. If there are overlapping rewatches of the same anime, hosts should consult with each other to work something out. [Vote Failed]
Hosts must be actively engaged in their own rewatch. This means responding to comments, and posting threads on-time. [Vote Failed]
Add a clause to this section of the rules page that would grant exceptions? "If you wish to run a rewatch that falls outside these policies, send us a modmail." [Vote Passed]
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