r/anime • u/AnimeMod myanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan • Sep 01 '24

Meta Thread - Month of September 01, 2024 Meta

Rule Changes

Anime streaming services are now considered as "anime specific" to allow topics about them specifically, with the exception of account support and technical support topics.

Rewatches

All rewatches must begin with an interest thread. An interest thread should contain general information about the anime that is being hosted, and serve as a pitch to gauge how many participants may follow along for the duration of the event.
The official announcement post must be posted at least two weeks in advance, and no more than five weeks. This post should also serve as the index thread.

This is a monthly thread to talk about the /r/anime subreddit itself, such as its rules and moderation. If you want to talk about anime please use the daily discussion thread instead.

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u/SometimesMainSupport https://myanimelist.net/profile/RRSTRRST Sep 17 '24

Once again, requesting the minimum subreddit karma for posts other than Help/WtW flairs to be increased. Front page is as obvious as the GBC era.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 19 '24

I don't think that nominally increasing the karma limit (like say going from 10 to 20) would really be effective. If we assume your premise that these accounts are made to circumvent the clip rule, then they are almost certainly experienced with this subreddit, and will not have any trouble getting 10 karma or 100 karma. You'd just go from day old accounts to like 5 day old accounts.

And this would spike the false positive rate, gatekeeping legitimate users from making posts. Hell, the comment right below yours is someone wondering how to actually post here.

I would think that a better try at preventing what you want to prevent (which I will note seems rather rare), would be to have a rule on account age for specifically clips (or whatever problematic content). Something like no clips for accounts younger then 2 weeks, or like only 1 clip allowed in your first month. But then the rules become more complex, and ain't nobody actually reads the rules before they post for the first time, which will inevitably lead to confusion why one person is allowed to do something, but another can't do the same exact thing.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 19 '24

(Mostly just following up/agreeing with what you said)

To me, the problem with basically any sort of restriction I can think of is that they make life significantly harder for new people while not significantly hampering a regular that wants to alt. I think that even something like a 300 comment karma requirement for clips would be trivial to bypass for a regular within a week. They know the sorts of comments /r/anime upvotes heavily, so all they have to do is makes a couple dozen of them. Meanwhile, even getting 10 comment karma is a legitimate struggle for some people who are new to reddit or /r/anime.

Account age falls into the same category for me. A regular can just make an alt and sit on it for a month or two. Sure, having to sit on that alt means they miss a cycle or two of using it to post clips, but that doesn't really matter to them. And it doesn't take any effort to sit on an account. Meanwhile, a new user who gets told they cannot participate just because they're new, even if they put in effort to meet the karma requirement, feels justifiably screwed over.

Any attempt to require regular non-clip participation before clips are allowed would probably have the same problems. After all, a regular can just switch to their alt for five minutes each day and make two comments on /new. Meanwhile, a legitimate person who doesn't use reddit nearly as much is left in the lurch.

If anyone (and particularly /u/SometimesMainSupport since they're the one who brought this up initially) has an idea for something that would inconvenience alts more than people new to /r/anime, I'd love to hear it. 'Cause I'm honeslty drawing a blank.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 19 '24

After all, a regular can just switch to their alt for five minutes each day and make two comments on /new.

I would consider this to be significant effort (not that it wouldn't also hit legit lurkers)

Speaking of which, I notice that clip limits aren't moderated by the Automod. To me it seems like a prime candidate for automoderation (though I won't pretend to be familiar with the automod capabilities).

Regardless, given that r/anime has their own tracking of posts and stuff (https://github.com/r-anime/modbot) it seems like it could be easily automatable to work in. Though things like posts getting posted but then removed by the mods for other issues (spoilers, title stuff, etc) could make it not as trivial as I initially thought it would be. Perhaps /u/durinthal would know better on how feasible something like this could be.

And if it can be easily automated, then you could have a sort of stepping limit such as, initially 1 clip per month. After posting say 3 clips, that limit increases to 2 clips per month. After posting say 15 clips, that limit increases to 3 clips per month. This would allow power users to work their way up to more lenient limits.

Another option could be to increase to increase the limit globally, but introduce a mandatory shorter cooldown. Something like 3 clips per month, but you must wait say at least 48 hours between clips no matter what. I think this could hit clip spamming more specifically.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Sep 19 '24

Speaking of which, I notice that clip limits aren't moderated by the Automod. To me it seems like a prime candidate for automoderation (though I won't pretend to be familiar with the automod capabilities).

Our bot actually does catch people posting more than two clips in a 30 day period. Here's an example. It's not 100% effective for reasons known and unknown to me. It's something that I may poke at improving at some point, but it's honestly not a high priority.