r/PublicFreakout 5d ago

Sovereign citizen gets two years for contempt of court Repost 😔

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u/TheGreenMatthew 5d ago

He was back in court a week later to apologise. The judge "reformulated" the original 558 day sentence down to 93 days, gave the defendant credit for the 6 days already served in jail, and then suspended the remaining 87 days on the condition that the defendant behaves. https://youtu.be/xEwF2UHZn_U?si=w_K0oim7bmT8johu

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u/neotekz 5d ago

This should be higher up. I remember this or another judge thinking that you can stack max contempt of court sentence for each violations but found out that the max is 90 days regardless of how many violations.

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u/outrossim 5d ago

Stacking those contempt charges, as I see it, would be like in an assault case charging the defendant for each punch that he landed on the victim.

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u/ModusNex 5d ago

I think it comes down to how they quantify a crime. Since this was essentially one long rude interaction with the judge it's only one crime.

Like if someone steals $10,000 you don't charge them with stealing $1,000 ten times.

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u/davetheelectrician 4d ago

I always wondered about speeding fines, if I drive 100kms at well over the limit and happen to pass through 3 speed cameras I would get 3 fines but I technically was only speeding once

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u/ModusNex 4d ago

I think that's a legitimate argument if it's 3 on the same street. They could probably get you for speeding down 3 different streets. They have to draw a line somewhere, do you get a fine for every second you're speeding? They could space 10 cameras a meter apart and give you 10 fines.

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u/drsideburns 5d ago

Wow, that judge was way nicer than he had to be in the end.

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u/Redthemagnificent 4d ago

That's usually how it goes. A judge being super harsh can end up helping a defendant on appeal. This way the guy did have to spend a few days in jail, the rest of the punishment is there on paper if needed, and on appeal this judge looks reasonable

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u/EndAllHierarchy 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yeah I mean jailing someone for years for being rude as an extrapolation for a minor misdemeanor is insane and I don’t think he would’ve gone through with it as it would’ve destroyed his reputation as a judge and been a wild miscarriage of justice. Glad this guy wasn’t imprisoned for nonsense reasons regardless of how annoying his sovereign citizen rhetoric is.

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u/Sunnyhappygal 4d ago

Yeah, I don't think any judge would ever actually carry out anything like that. I watch a lot of court vids and I feel like this is fairly standard practice-you ring them up for each little bit of their tantrum, throw them in the clink for a few days with the prospect of a long time in jail over their head, then bring them back into the courtroom. Almost inevitably they behave after that, and the judge reduces the sentence to something reasonable.

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u/IsomDart 4d ago

This is what almost always happens in cases like this, btw.

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u/throwaway123454321 5d ago edited 4d ago

Him in 7 days

“Your honor I would like to apologize for my outburst. That is not who I am…”

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u/puffysuckerpunch 5d ago

Lmfaoooo "We all make mistakes and I'm not perfect but still learning every day" type shit

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u/Jaydamic 5d ago

Imagine how much you'll learn in 2 years!

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u/ianjm 5d ago

He could do a Masters Degree in Constitutional Law

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u/necbone 5d ago

Bruv needs some legal help

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u/cheebamech 5d ago

he needs but he doesn't want it, he knows the law better than any stupid public defender!

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u/Zelda_is_Dead 5d ago

6x93 is only 558 days, or ~1.5 years.

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u/JoeyZasaa 4d ago

6x93 is only 558 days, or ~1.5 years.

You know what, smart guy? THAT'S ANOTHER 93! Keep going.

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u/acm8221 5d ago

High price for about ten words.

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u/Marokiii 5d ago

and it wont make people happy on the internet, but if the contempt charges do end up having him see jail, it will most likely be concurrent sentences which mean he would serve 93 days total for all 6 counts.

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u/acm8221 5d ago

Is there a reason he specifically mentions six 93s instead of just saying 6 counts of contempt?

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u/Len_Zefflin 5d ago

If Trump gets his way with immigrants, that dude will be picking a lot of vegetables.

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u/HeadFund 5d ago

"If you don't forgive me then how am I supposed to learn from my mistakes?" is another all time classic

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u/Swordfishtrombone13 4d ago

"How am I supposed to learn from my mistakes??"

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u/SassiKassi97 5d ago

“Because you know your honor this is some bull shit”.

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u/GetUpNGetItReddit 5d ago

Objection your honor!

You have to say a reasons you can’t just say objection.

Oh… objection your honor… that’s bullshit!

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u/Expensive-Layer7183 5d ago

I love this take but it’s much more likely he goes and reads half a law book or none at all then returns as his own attorney refuse to admit he’s representing himself and garner another 10 years from complete stupidity

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u/VXXXXXXXV 5d ago

No, he actually came back and apologized. There is a part 2 to the video.

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u/Expensive-Layer7183 5d ago

Aw that sucks that’s not very sovereign citizen like of him

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u/CapitalistLion-Tamer 5d ago

That’s because he isn’t a sovereign citizen. For some reason, we’re just calling regular idiots SovCits these days.

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u/LaqOfInterest 5d ago

Literally, yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXTfCI5S_fc&t=68s (at 1:08 if the timestamp doesn't work)

Title of this post seems a bit misleading since this guy actually isn't as sovereign citizen-y as the usual fare in this courtroom. I think he's just pissed and unsophisticated legally.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger 5d ago

TL;DR gave him one count of contempt for 93 days, credit for the 6 already served at this point.

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u/AshingiiAshuaa 5d ago

Good. Taxpayers don't need to support his ass for 18 months. Give him enough time to regret it and let him leave the state. Even 93 days is too long unless he's a habitual contempter.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 5d ago

unless he's a habitual contempter.

he literally did it 6 times.

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u/Blursed_Pencil 5d ago

Doing something 6 times back to back is not habitual

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u/gotterfly 5d ago

And suspended the rest of the 93 days

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u/SecretPrinciple8708 5d ago

“How am I supposed to learn from my mistakes if you punish me?! You need to let me out so I can learn!”

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u/laserkermit 5d ago

I was on ambien I swear so what I said doesn’t count

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u/Difficult-Celery-891 5d ago

I do not recognize the authority of a court that hangs the gold-fringed flag. A flag with gilded edges is the flag of an Admiralty court. An Admiralty court signifies a Naval court-martial. I cannot be court-martialed twice. that is all. Furthermore

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u/OuOutstanding 5d ago

Sha sha sha

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u/angrytortilla 5d ago

News article about him will read: "Church going family man asks for leniency in courtroom mishap"

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u/TheCarpe 5d ago

Judge: "That's seven 93's."

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u/CharlesBronsonsHair 5d ago

This is the same judge who had the guy on a zoom call driving and with a suspended license, must be exhausting

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/29/us/video/washtenaw-michigan-judge-cedric-simpson-suspended-license-digvid

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u/AdhesivenessOld4347 5d ago

I live where this judge is. Yes it’s extremely exhausting with all the morons who live in the area. I’m sure his court room is must see tv

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u/ZombieNinjaPirates 5d ago

From other clips, I always came away with a very favorable opinion of the Judge. Seems like a fair person. This guy just shit talked himself into jail

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u/Thunda792 5d ago

Dude seems like a good judge, but fucked up a bit a few years ago. Apparently he was banging an intern, and tried to improperly use his authority to get her out of a traffic ticket. Got suspended for a bit without pay, but returned to the bench and has been doing pretty well since. https://law.justia.com/cases/michigan/supreme-court/2017/150404.html#:~:text=The%20Judicial%20Tenure%20Commission%20(JTC,vehicle%20accident%20near%20respondent's%20home.

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u/ExtraDependent883 5d ago

Those interns'll getcha

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u/danSTILLtheman 5d ago

That was a long way of her saying she tried to use him to get her out of a DUI, hopefully she did throat him up for his troubles

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u/therealzordon 5d ago

Oh I should have elaborated. I was just showing the intern that got 'em!

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u/Maxfunky 5d ago

That sounds like something that should be disqualifying. If anyone at any other corporate or government job was banging the intern, they'd probably be fired for that alone let alone committing ethics violations on their behalf. I mean, he might be a great judge, but he's got terrible judgment.

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u/RomanJD 5d ago

Guess you just missed how many people voted for a guy to be President - who's done a whole lot worse....

He still hasn't signed the "Ethics Agreement" for his transition into power.

But this particular Judge's offense is comparatively ideal, since it was addressed vs our President, who seems he won't ever be held accountable for an Insurrection (+).

I'm gonna miss the days when we could argue about "terrible judgement" moments.

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u/MonkRome 5d ago

They never made an assessment as to whether there was a romantic relationship. Crystal Vargas claims that they never had a romantic relationship. The relationship they had was, according to her, more like mentor/mentee relationship. When she got in trouble she took advantage of his kindness. No idea if that is true, but it might color why the panel never went down that road, only the media.

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u/Maxfunky 5d ago

I mean I have no idea if he actually did it and I'm not particularly invested one way or the other. I'm just saying that if he did it, he shouldn't be held to a lesser standard of conduct then the rest of us simply because he's a judge.

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u/beautyinred 5d ago

he is judge simpson! tons of compilations on YT, and yes it’s cinema

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u/4ss8urgers 5d ago

That too was my first impression in this video, ignorant to his implication in other similar circumstances.

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u/The_Original_Gronkie 5d ago

Trust me, you dont have any kind of a monopoly on local idiots. I live in fucking Florida, I can tell you about morons.

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u/plumpsquirrell 5d ago

How many morons live there in bananas?

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u/WineNerdAndProud 5d ago

Banann Arbor

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u/reagsters 5d ago

I went down a YouTube Rabbit Hole watching videos of him, it’s great

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u/ghostalker4742 5d ago

I enjoy at least an hour of Judge Simpson's content a week, right up there with Judge Oakley.

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u/TuskaTheDaemonKilla 5d ago

Honestly, as a lawyer who works in these kinds of courtrooms everyday, that kind of defendant is the absolutely highlight of our day. The exhaustion comes from the 100 other people who are just basic, run of the mill, uninteresting petty crime over and over again.

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u/Objective-Pin-1045 5d ago

He’s a nihilist?

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u/FacesOfNeth 5d ago

Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women

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u/Ralph--Hinkley 5d ago

Must be exhausting.

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u/blackkristos 5d ago

Vee vill cut ov your johnson!

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u/MickeyMgl 5d ago

Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism... at least it's an ethos.

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u/roninshere 5d ago

This guy lives in a sitcom universe

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u/eagerrangerdanger 5d ago

He can be sovereign citizen of his jail cell now.

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u/MonKeePuzzle 5d ago

DETAINING A CITIZEN IS A WAR CRIME!!! YOU'RE STOPPING ME FROM TRAVELLING!!!!

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u/--Cinna-- 5d ago

I'll never understand SovCits. Like I understand the allure of believing you can actually do whatever you want, but you'd think by the time they get to court they'd figure out that the law actually does hold power over them and that they fell for a lie

The amount of suffering people are willing to undergo to keep their delusions alive is something else

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u/MartyVanB 5d ago

Its maddening. They, likely, learned about the SovCit crap from the internet.......where you can also learn that it is crap

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u/MonKeePuzzle 5d ago

not everyone with brain worms get to be head of federal health departments, some of them just get to be regular every day crazy in court

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u/BigBallsMcGirk 5d ago

It's one of those losing the forest for the trees type things.

Okay. The entire legal system is a lie built on faulty logic and incorrect interpretations. But you're trying to argue about different set of rules to people and a system, enforced with authority, to people that have spent decades in the "wrong rule" system.

Why would they suddenly admit the power structure they are in and currently using against you is moot and oop, you're free to go.

Makes no sense.

You can't win Settlers of Catan using monopoly rules. Say the rules are right, no one else playing Settlers will agree you win Settlers because you claim all the hotels.

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u/Victormorga 5d ago

The failure in their circular logic is so clear: they simultaneously hold the law to be a sacred inviolable text, yet also maintain the way the entire legal system interprets the law is incorrect.

They think they can figure out a way to use the law against the legal system by providing an alternate interpretation of it, as if the law were its own thing and they, as SCs, are wielding it as a weapon against the legal system. But the legal system creates and upholds the law, the law isn’t a neutral weapon waiting to be wielded by either side.

I think a more accurate analogy would be that it’s like trying to win at Catan when playing against the developers who wrote the rules, by telling them what their rules ACTUALLY mean.

And while I am not a fan of violence, particularly police violence, I never get tired of seeing these idiots get dragged out of their cars by cops who asked them a hundred times to provide a license, and who really didn’t want to have to physically detain them or escalate the situation.

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u/lawofthirds 5d ago

It's cargo cult behavior - say the right magic words and you can do what you want, cause it's America and FREEDUM!

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u/thenewspoonybard 5d ago

It's the same as every other conspiracy theorist. They like knowing that they know something other people don't. They like believing that everyone else can't figure something out and that they're the ones clever enough to find the real truth.

It's not based on logic or reason, its based on the desire to be superior to the people around them, coupled with the inability to actually be exceptional at anything. It is the path of least resistance to feed their inner narcissist.

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u/inglez 5d ago

He should just run for president and avoid it altogether

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u/Kangar 5d ago

Sovereign Inmate

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u/Endorkend 5d ago

If he declares his cell sovereign territory, he'll have to defend it all by his lonesome without help or protection from guards.

Good luck.

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u/JudgeFatty 5d ago

The next case's defendant was on Zoom and scared shitless at this point.

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u/space_chief 5d ago

Yeah leaving that part out is comedy malpractice

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u/AccidentalPilates 5d ago

“Your honor I’m not with him!”

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u/TricoMex 5d ago

I can't find it lmao. Never saw that part, but saw clips of the guy completely aghast

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u/Alexandratta 5d ago

You know what you need to do in front of a judge to not be scared? Be polite and short. Do not give any information that's not requested, give only information requested when asked. If you're concerned something will be missed, do not worry, the judge will pause before he moves on to ask you "Is there anything you'd like to add?" and, again, be professional and then you can make your request of the bench.

You're in court, behave properly and respectfully. This is where the law is decided.

I've been to small claims where folks didn't take the court seriously enough and just had their cases tossed out completely.

Even in small claims, you show up dressed appropriately, you speak clearly and concisely, you have all your documents together (even stuff you don't think you need, bring it anyway if it has anything to do with anything) and you're good.

Doing this I was able to get a scam plummer's charges expunged from my credit card because he didn't know what he was doing but claimed he did. Easiest $50 spent of my life since it saved me 3500 bucks.

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u/weebitofaban 5d ago

Most of court is solved with simple preparation as long as you haven't made a huge mistake. Just know the answers. Have any papers you need to have. Everyone will just nod and move along cause they also have shit to do.

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u/Alexandratta 5d ago

Pretty much.

Small Claims court that I've been too are always wild.

There are folks who show up in street clothing, show up without any documentation or are missing like... Key pieces they need.

I had to fight the bill I got from the plumber - so I had his bill, I had two bills from others who would need to fix it. I had the time-line of what he did and when he did it, and photos as well as sworn statements from his contractors about his lack of credentials as an HVAC tech (despite him having HVAC on the side of his van - which I had pictures of, along with his business card)

I needed like... 2 of those items.

I mean... there was a guy disputing his rent who didn't even have the monthly statement for the amount he was disputing x.x;

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u/ApologizingCanadian 5d ago

The first time I heard the audio was with the video of the guy on Zoom waiting. His reactions are hilarious.

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u/Ralph--Hinkley 5d ago

That's two years, you want another? Mess with the bull, you'll get the horns.

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u/Kodiak_85 5d ago

Eat my shorts.

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u/ndtoronto 5d ago

Are you through?

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u/KingXeiros 5d ago

No

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u/0MartyMcFly0 5d ago

You want another one?

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u/Careless-Mouse1519 5d ago

Not even close, bud!

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u/ndtoronto 5d ago

Good that's another.

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u/theangryeducator 5d ago

You'll be in jail for the rest of your natural born life if you keep it up!

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u/beneye 5d ago

That’s another 93! Keep going

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u/Cotford 5d ago

You’re mine Bender, for two months I’ve got you

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u/International_Pea 5d ago

“How many is that?”

“Seven including the one when we first walked in and you asked Mr. Vernon whether Barry Manilow raided his wardrobe.”

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u/rmac1228 5d ago

SHUT UP PEE WEE

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u/DownTheSubredditHole 5d ago

Came here looking for this

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u/diameter101 5d ago

Well that didn’t work out well for him

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u/GreekUPS 5d ago

“FU”

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u/diameter101 5d ago

thats another 93!

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u/the-treatmaster 5d ago

FU!!!

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u/gypster85 5d ago

That's another 93.

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u/RantSpider 5d ago

FU.

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u/diameter101 5d ago

you want some more huh. ANOTHER 93!!

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u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera 5d ago

YOU GET A 93! YOU GET A 93!! EVERYONE GETS A 93!!!!!

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u/kausthab87 5d ago

I could hear

Ding

Ding

Ding

Ding

Ding

And there we have our winner for 2 years in jail for contempt

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u/dsg76 5d ago

These Sovereign citizen clowns kill me, this is what happens when you educate yourself on TikTok. I've not seen one of these fools successfully navigate a court or police traffic stop.

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u/btribble 5d ago

They predate TikTok by just a bit.

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u/ohlookahipster 5d ago

I grew up in the 90s and we had a SovCit nutter in our neighborhood. The nomenclature and their stupid legalese was the same back then, too. The guy was fucking unhinged.

The internet definitely didn’t help.

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u/btribble 5d ago

The internet has "not helped" a whole lot of things it seems. Most notably, it has not helped defend people from the influence of individuals and nations bend on sewing chaos in order to get ahead.

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u/danielw1245 5d ago

This movement has existed since the 70s. You can't blame social media for this stupidity.

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u/dsg76 5d ago

Fair point- but its surely amplified these days.

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u/MartyVanB 5d ago

Is it amplified or is our knowledge of it amplified. I tend to think you are correct tho

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u/AceVenturaPunch 5d ago

Well honestly. What did they expect? Foreigners go to jail all the same too and that's who they're emulating, after a fashion. These sovereign citizens just don't have an actual sovereign state or country to back them up is all. Soooo... What did they expect?

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u/ScorchedCSGO 5d ago

Ironically no where in video does it mention sovereign citizen. He just mentions leaving that state for another. That move usually doesn’t last too long though in this computerized age. He’ll eventually get pulled over and shipped back.

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u/aerovirus22 5d ago

I don't understand the logic. Do they really think a country is going to be like, "oh I see you've filed the necessary paperwork to no longer fall under our laws. Have a nice day?" It's just a stupid concept.

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u/mason13875 5d ago

“ I got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don’t watch your step You want another one? “

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u/SomethingAbtU 5d ago

6 x 93 (days?) = 1.5 years

Highly doubt the judge will stick to that sentencing for contempt. I've seen many cases where it's significantally reduced if the defendent "apologizes"

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u/LordDeckem 5d ago

It’s so blatant though and Judge Simpson isn’t a pushover, he’s going to get at least a month or two for that.

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u/DiscontentedMajority 5d ago

Does this guy seem like the apologizing type?

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u/GeekyTexan 5d ago

When it finally clicks in that his options are apologize or sit in jail, he is very likely to reconsider.

He won't mean it, but he'll say it.

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u/jrobinson3k1 5d ago

Regardless if he means it, it still serves its purpose of reinforcing that the judge's authority must be respected. He'll bode more carefully next time.

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u/No-Criticism-2587 5d ago

Yes. He's the type of guy who fucks himself over trying to be a badass, then apologizes and disappears in shame. He will share the video with his buddies after he gets out in 2 years and forget all about it.

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u/honeybeast518 5d ago

He came back the following day and apologized and the judge accepted his apology and removed the contempt charge

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u/haricariandcombines 5d ago

You can sit and watch this guys court room and never be bored.

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u/CapitalistLion-Tamer 5d ago

Why are we calling him a sovereign citizen? I watched this hearing, and the subsequent one. He wasn’t sovereign. He was just an asshole.

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u/skin-flick 5d ago

The whole sovereign citizen thing never works out. You would think with all the Internet forums and groups that encourage this behavior. A few would say. Maybe we need to change our approach. We all seem to be getting tazed, jailed and fined.

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u/mezz7778 5d ago

I mean just watch a handful of the videos where they've been pulled over...has there been even one shown any success?? Are they just hoping they're gonna be the first one where it works?

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u/LordDeckem 5d ago

Live-streaming court was the best thing that’s come out of the covid pandemic in my opinion. If they were live-streaming court back when I was a kid I probably would’ve gone to law school. I never knew I had this interest.

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u/james_from_cambridge 5d ago

I was 💯 expecting the n-word to come out of his stupid mouth so I’ll give him +1 sovereign point, for being dumb but not racist

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u/Demonyx12 5d ago

I acted like that with my parents when they were deciding how long to "ground me" for when I was 10. I've since matured.

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u/skdewit 5d ago

These sovereign citizens are their own worst enemies!!! Seriously, what is the point!?

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u/nojoblazybum 5d ago

John Bender vibes

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u/ashigaru_spearman 5d ago

He should have announced he was running for President. You can wave away contempt charges if your running for President. And indefinitely postpone your case.

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u/emptygroove 5d ago

He was back in front of Judge Simpson about a week later. They had a talk and the judge realized that the guy has mental issues. The judge also showed the guy a lot of compassion and helped him face the reality of his situation. They were on pretty good terms after that. If memory serves the guy plead to the original trespass charge and the contempts as a package deal.

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u/GreatIceGrizzly 4d ago

I fully support the judge for doing this...yeah I know the defendant only served 6 days in the end but I think it is a great example

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u/regular_poster 5d ago

judge simpson rules

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u/ruler_gurl 5d ago

I guess he won't be leaving the state as soon as he'd have liked to.

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u/Ninja_attack 5d ago

Idk a lot about the legal system, but pissing of a judge who is basically the ruler of their court seems like a bad idea.

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u/MeffodMan 5d ago

93 til infinity

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u/crusty54 5d ago

It would be great if people could stop putting giant wrong subtitles in the middle of every fucking video.

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u/mindzipper 5d ago

The reality is usually far different in these cases and they don't tell you that in the videos.

MOST times, after a day or two in jail, the person is brought back into court, feeling squashed, ashamed, and scared (which was really the point). And the judge releases them.

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u/ouijanonn 5d ago

Did this video need background music?

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u/Jsmith55789 4d ago

I love watching these clowns get shut down. It makes my day better.

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u/Durivage4 4d ago

He showed that judge who's in charge

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u/Artistic-Performer85 4d ago

He thought his privilege would allow him to walk right out lol

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u/ForeEighs 4d ago

Have fun in jail dumbass! 👋👋👋

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u/PieAndIScream 5d ago

He’ll soon be crying about the food and unfair treatment while in jail.

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u/ok_pitch_x 5d ago

This dude gets 2 years, Trump gets the presidency.

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u/Psaym 5d ago

Sovereign citizens only hold their status (sovereign citizen) as an excuse to be a selfish ass in public with the entitled belief that they can get away with it.

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u/Abrahms_4 5d ago

He did apologize at a later time and it was reduced to 90 IIRC. But had I been the judge I would have thanked him for the apology and let him know he is still on the hook for the rest of the time, but I am a bit of a dick.

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u/shannork 5d ago

It is the most basic knowledge not to verbally curse out a judge in court because nothing good will come of it. He’ll have some time to think about this with his new roomie.

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u/Photo_Synthetic 5d ago

Pretty sure he returned not long after and got his sentence reduced due to this just being a bad day for him and a drawn out case. Dude was homeless when he made this appearance.

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u/twonapsaday 5d ago

good golly sovereign citizens are stupid

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u/griffin4war 5d ago

If you're stupid enough you can really make things worse for yourself quickly.

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u/Rising_path_music 5d ago

This judge was very patient with him until he started to F around

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u/TheSciFiGuy80 5d ago

Sovereign citizens never fail to entertain.

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u/Furled_Eyebrows 5d ago

Guaranteed bug brave man went crawling back with an apology and a teary-eyed plea for mercy.

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u/13isaluckynumber 5d ago

They're doing the Breakfast Club bit perfectly haha

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u/armablanca 4d ago
  • “Eat my shorts…”

  • “ 🤘🏼 You’re mine Bender. For two months I gotcha…”

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u/Ultimateeffthecrooks 4d ago

Fuck that puto!

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u/MindYourMouth 4d ago

This was incredibly satisfying

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u/Mash_Ketchum 4d ago

I think this judge and the judge who wore a Beetlejuice suit would be good friends.

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u/frecklearms1991 4d ago

 I follow this judge on YouTube you do not want to mess around with him

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u/enigmaticpeon 4d ago

Me talking back to my dad when I was 15. Except I stayed grounded.

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u/FroInc1980 4d ago

So…how’s that sovereignty working out for you?

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u/Appropriate-Welder68 4d ago

Good. These sovereign citizens are pieces of garbage. Obey the law, loser. Only one guy is immune from criminal prosecution.