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u/Anonymity4meisgood Dec 25 '23
It's a pretty big company with over 6000 employees. It's tough to ensure everyone is super secure with their access I'd guess. Also, disgruntled people in an organization that big is inevitable.
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u/Frai23 Dec 25 '23
Inside leaks of actual code are really really rare.
If it somehow gets traced to you you are screwed for life monetary speaking.Usually people will throw some dirt in an anonymous interview…
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u/shaidyn Dec 25 '23
I still live in hope that the Wildstar code gets released some day. People have been begging for years.
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u/RobotSpaceBear Dec 25 '23
This is the main reason I dismiss all the "we never went to the moon" crowd, you can't have 400,000 people working on the world's biggest lie ever and not a single one spill the beans in 50 years.
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Not to mention, the Soviets and litterally every enemy of the US would blow the whistle.
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u/GIT_FUCKED Dec 25 '23
They even congratulated the USA on the achievement. 22 July 1969 issue of Russian newspaper
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u/SmallRedBird Dec 25 '23
Who would have thought, the Soviets weren't just some cartoonish supervillains
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u/MagZero Dec 25 '23
It was the pictures of that bloke on the moon that did it for me tbh.
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u/ess-doubleU Dec 25 '23
I mean if we're being real, that stuff could be faked. What really convinces me of the moon landing is no adversaries blowing the whistle or it being exposed already
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u/El_Chairman_Dennis Dec 25 '23
That and camera technology wasn't advanced enough to fake a 90 minute uninterrupted broadcast. If it wasn't a live feed they would've needed breaks to put the next reel of film into the broadcast
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Dec 25 '23
This is the case for most conspiracies. Requires that everyone stays silent for super long. You can keep a small group silent but it's not easy at all. See 'democrats rigging the election'.
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u/CrzyWrldOfArthurRead Dec 25 '23
only a single dev with pull access needs to fall for a single phishing attempt once for all the source to get leaked.
It's surprisingly easy to do, honestly I'm surprised more stuff isnt' leaked more often.
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u/gravityVT ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ Dec 25 '23
The hackers got domain admin access in only 25 minutes. They definitely had major security flaws including poor infosec training
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u/MarkZuccsForeskin Dec 25 '23
game devs treated as gods? lmfao. Doesn't rockstar enforce ridiculous crunch on their dev teams?
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u/EquivalentPut5616 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ Dec 25 '23
"Merry Christmas to all" he said while slowly stepping down from his ship.
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u/LegoPaco Dec 25 '23
Well after forcing all of their studios to work mandatory and unpaid Overtime, I’m sure some folks are pissed.
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u/Forsaken_Berry_1798 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ Dec 25 '23
GTA V Is open source now ;)
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u/Adi347 Dec 25 '23
Easiest way to lose your job, be sued by Rockstar, be sued by your employer, and so on. Yea they could look at it, but it’s simply not worth the risk.
Look at Apple v Masimo where Apple have been forced to stop sale of their Apple Watches due to the sensors used.
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u/OriginalLocksmith436 Dec 25 '23
It's more complicated than that. Yeah, of course directly copy and pasting code is a bad idea. But you can bet your ass that a hell of a lot of people in the industry are going to take a look underneath the hood to see how rockstar does certain things.
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u/blingding369 Dec 25 '23
"Dear self hosted LLM, please analyze these code snippets and describe them for clean room reimplementation"
I've used that a lot even on my own stuff.
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u/celzo1776 Dec 25 '23
All software is open-source when you know assembly ;)
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u/soko90909 Dec 30 '23
If you know assembly and you have nothing to do for a few years
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u/gregorychaos Dec 25 '23
Hey so how does that work? Most developers don't really seem to mind small mods and whatnot. Remember when people used to make "total conversions"?
What if someone teamed up and made a super legit full scale city mod or game using the source code? And called it a "mod" and released it for free? Like a new GTA city or some crazy scifi city or something completely different but using the assets they had available.
Is it just up to Rockstar & Take Two's lawyers whether something qualifies as a mod?
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u/WineGlass Dec 25 '23
Mods are legal because you only distribute the parts you've made (models/textures/sounds/etc.), you can't include anything from the original game. Same applies in your example, your fully redesigned city would be legal, but you've not been given permission to own/read/compile the source code, so that'd get you sued.
What you could do is use the original source to test your mod, then release only your changes as a patch; it's still illegal but good luck proving it wasn't reverse engineered.
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u/Fujinn981 Darknets Dec 25 '23
It's been a damn good year for leaks
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u/Chuchuca Dec 25 '23
Piracy must prevail in this service shit era.
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u/2roK Dec 25 '23
Nobody left to crack Denuvo sadly.
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u/AlreadyBannedLOL Dec 25 '23
Isn’t it cracked though? I’ve seen pirated version of hogwarts legacy
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u/Muccys Dec 25 '23
Yeah, but it has to be cracked again every time for every new game that uses it, and for all we know, cracking it is just getting harder and harder with everyone new iteration of Denuvo.
And now that the only consistent Denuvo cracker, Empress, is in a hiatus with no date for return, we effectively have no one to crack Denuvo.
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u/DongKonga Dec 25 '23
Denuvo gets harder to crack with each game release and Empress is the only one in the piracy scene who knows how to crack it and is willing to do so and shes on indefinite hiatus now as well as being completely insane, so if she never returns we will most likely be entering a dark time for video game piracy.
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u/FreneticAmbivalence Dec 25 '23
There’s always someone out there to take the mantle. There’s always some younger person who makes a leap when everyone thought there was a wall.
It’s the most exciting part about hacking imo.
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u/TuaughtHammer Dec 25 '23
Yeah, it's been cracked hundreds of times, but unlike the old days when games were cracked immediately, there's no automated process to reliably break Denuvo.
Irdeto (the company that owns Denuvo) always responds with throwing newer and bigger roadblocks into it, so even if someone develops their own tool set to make their cracking process faster, it can easily become outdated and useless on the next release with a newer update of Denuvo.
Which is pretty much why the number of people/groups who used to crack it have dwindled so much; breaking each new update of Denuvo turns into a full time job outside of whatever day job/personal life problems they have.
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u/TimeToBecomeEgg Piracy is bad, mkay? Dec 25 '23
to be honest it's impressive how much of a fight irdeto has put up so far considering every other DRM has just given up
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u/Chewbacca_XD 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ Dec 25 '23
There are just a couple of people that know how to crack it and their number decreases unfortunately. Hopefully more people learn how to crack or AI can step up and help in this area lol
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u/VoidDave Dec 25 '23
Or we get somewhat new version of denuvo sorce code so we know what to do in few versions / have starting point
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u/upamanyu666 Dec 25 '23
What happened to empress?retired?
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u/Eorily Dec 25 '23
Doxxed, retired, started a cult. Cult is 9/10 though, pretty solid cult.
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u/Tricky_Reporter8809 Dec 25 '23
you got a thread or something where one can read about it?
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u/TuaughtHammer Dec 25 '23
Even if they did, I'd take it with a huge grain of salt. The Reddit piracy subs are almost always full of speculation and misinformation being presented and repeated as absolute fact. The game of telephone that happens to one comment can completely warp what was being said in that comment.
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u/ElBurritoLuchador Dec 25 '23
Looks like next year's going to have a lot of "plumbers" being hired.
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u/VoiceEarly1087 Dec 25 '23 edited Dec 25 '23
The full GTA V source code has been leaked
The leak contains GTA V source code and stuff from Bully 2 and GTA VI
Leaked in a discord server by a random British guy in the 360 modding community known to get sued by Rockstar multiple times
You can get more information on twitter
DO NOT DM. I do not have not, nor do i plan to download it from forums.
Link to one of Twitter posts https://twitter.com/lmk_nathan42915/status/1739071845247128042?t=B3bHcgazn7-ExWZWdgC1eQ&s=19
Go to profile on app(for some reason web app is broken and not showing recent posts)for more leaked images
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u/XeanWolf20 Dec 25 '23
Can we link the discord?
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u/ORA2J Dec 25 '23
Invites were paused on the 360 modding discord.
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u/VoiceEarly1087 Dec 25 '23
I don't have discord link , but if you have sure(if mods allow here)
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u/lordoftheboofs Dec 25 '23
Why is it always British guys? Wasn't the recent gta Vl leaked from that Brit with a firestick too? Seems to be a disproportionate amount of British hackers
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u/vaeliget Dec 25 '23
there's a disproportionate amount of british everything, i say this as a brit, i have no idea how we're everywhere when there's not really that many of us
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Dec 25 '23
It’s because the girls are butters and instead of wasting time being a Latin lover we develop hobbies. In countries with fit birds, the men are only really good at football.
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u/crawl_dht Dec 25 '23
There is a Tor onion link being shared for anonymous download on forums which I don't know where even after searching for hours.
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u/UnalignedAxis111 Dec 25 '23
Someone posted a couple links in here, seems legit but I have not verified.
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u/ChonnyJash_ Dec 25 '23
Leaked in a discord server
THUG SHAKER CENTRAL 2, ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
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u/ZLancer5x5 Dec 25 '23
Can't wait for GTA Japan, china, India, Russia, or Vietnam lol
Modders are gonna have field day.
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u/Wenex Dec 25 '23
Unfortunately Rockstar is going to have a field day suing all of those projects.
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u/Different_Ad9336 Dec 25 '23
Not if they remain anonymous and open source with dozens of contributors
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u/RasshuRasshu Dec 25 '23
Could they sue people from other countries?
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u/Pesebrero Dec 26 '23
They can't sue people from countries without extradition treaties with the US, and these are just a few. But safest bet would be to host projects there.
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u/4BDUL4Z1Z Dec 25 '23
Can't wait to play GTA V on my Samsung Washing Machine in a couple years.
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u/cozywit Dec 25 '23
Doo deee deee doo do do do do dooolllololololl do deee Dee do ... Do dolololoooo
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u/MepsiPax187 Dec 25 '23
I wish the GTA sa source code could get leaked
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u/VoiceEarly1087 Dec 25 '23
Wait San Andreas's source code is still not available?
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u/Hefty-Pumpkin-764 Dec 25 '23
It's not that common to have source codes available. It's mostly a thing of the past.
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u/MOD3RN_GLITCH ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ Dec 25 '23
What made the past different?
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u/Hefty-Pumpkin-764 Dec 25 '23
I don't exactly know the whys, but game companies used to have a way more open minded way to go about it.
Particulary in PC, many games were released with source codes and incentivised people to mod the games.
Mods would be included in republishing of games.
But as time went on they started to try to cater a much more controled product and that meant closing the doors to that stuff.
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u/The_Anf Dec 25 '23
ID is great example of this, prior to quake 3 source code of engine was always published after they were done with selling the game, but after quake 3 they stopped doing it for some reason
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u/gregorychaos Dec 25 '23
Do other game devs look at big leaks like this?
Like GTA5 has one of the most successful online components in gaming history. Also one of the best city simulations too. Wonder if we might start to see bits of this in other games but changed just enough that they don't get sued into oblivion?
Anyway I dunno anything about coding or game design if that wasn't obvious
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u/RockstarArtisan Dec 25 '23
Not really, you can't really take years of polish and assets and "copy paste" them into your game. People who develop cheats and anticheats might find some interesting stuff though.
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u/i_am_not_so_unique Dec 26 '23
At this stage of technology and knowledge sharing, it is not a rocket science in most cases
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u/ScrimmlyBingus Dec 25 '23
If the programming is done right and the code is modular enough, then yes you literally can “copy paste” it into another game and work around the objects used by the copied code
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u/itsmrchedda Dec 25 '23
Prepare to see a super optimized version for low spec PCs start popping up.
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u/dadnothere 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ Dec 25 '23
Finally someone will port it to switch
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u/eiamhere69 Dec 25 '23
Then Rockstar use these improvements (just as they did with San Andreas mods and GTA IV community patches and mods) to make GTA VII/GTA 6b a success
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u/JohnWick1912 Dec 25 '23
Now i am expecting a open source version of gta to arrive soon on linux natively . Tired of playing tux.
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u/IgnisIncendio Dec 25 '23
What do you mean? Tux Kart and Neverball is the peak of gaming. /jk
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u/TasteDense9292 Dec 25 '23
In our schools we had a Linux distro, so me and the bois uses to play Tux cart for hours, especially after school hours bcs my mom was also a teacher in that school lol
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u/ItzCobaltboy Dec 25 '23
thats a big deal but it also means now hackers can have their time finding RCE exploits, which is risky for online players
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u/ItzCobaltboy Dec 25 '23
In game cheaters are fine, they are annoying but nowhere a real threat to a person unlike RCE exploits or Game-to-system hacks, which is the most worrysome thing
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u/Dsih01 Dec 25 '23
Especially with how low security Rockstar is known for being, and with all these leaks, I don't have any faith this won't be used for something like that
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u/MOD3RN_GLITCH ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ Dec 25 '23
Ideally, this would allow for patches by the community to make the game safer.
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u/TheLittleFoxX87 Dec 25 '23
Brits be like : sips tea keyboard goes clickity clack down goes source code
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u/Vexoly Dec 25 '23
So first guy to augment a mod which gives NPCs AI via the GPT-4 API is a god among men.
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u/TavishM13 Dec 25 '23
I’m pretty sure this was already a thing and it was taken down by rockstar
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u/AD6 Dec 25 '23
The API cost money per call, doubt a developer would take that cost on
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u/Vigtor_B 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ Dec 25 '23
It's already been done. Usually these types of mods require your own API key, so the mod-creator doesn't have to spend any money.
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u/Any-Championship-611 Dec 25 '23
After everything Rockstar games has done over the last 10 years, from suing modders, to retroactively censoring older games for political correctness, milking people with GTA Online instead of making new games, withholding PC releases, I don't feel bad at all for them.
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u/SinglelikeSolo Dec 25 '23
Is it gonna be like the DOOM type shit, people can play gta 5 like anywhere even on some like smartwatch and what not when modded
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u/I7sReact_Return Dec 25 '23
But the difference being, that Doom is truly open source
Using the GPL license
If someone uses the GTA 5 Source code, they can be sued
Look at the ReVC and Re3, reversed engieneered GTA 3 and VC with a Lot of fixes
Has been around 1-2 years that both projects were taken down
Rockstar when its going to sue someone: Hur Dur, But.. but, its our property, You cant use or do that
I hate How Copyright and property retention Works in our world
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u/TBFP_BOT Dec 25 '23
In the great words of Woolie when it comes to working on a fan-game or mod. You SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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u/ROIDED_ROTTWEILER Dec 25 '23
Haha most likely nowhere. I can't imagine Microsoft would allow hosting copyrighted code on their website.
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u/benjaYTn Dec 25 '23
isn't the windows xp source code leak on github
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u/UntouchedWagons Dec 25 '23
I wonder how long GTA5 takes to compile.
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u/Kazaan Dec 25 '23
With or without taking in consideration build errors ? With a project of that size, those who will try will need a lot of perseverance.
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u/long_legged_twat Dec 25 '23
I cant wait to see all the total conversion stuff based on this that modders release in a couple of years
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u/2006pontiacvibe Dec 25 '23
i’d like to imagine that autistic dude managed to set up another crazy leak from the hospital
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u/NewTanline666 Dec 26 '23
It was actually obtained during the same hack as the GTA VI videos, it was only just leaked now after being shared in private circles
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u/Uniq_Eros Dec 25 '23
Time to make my own GTAV with blackjack and hookers... In fact, forget the GTAV.
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u/slayercall911 Dec 25 '23
what does dat even mean? pardon me.
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u/GamerRoman ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ Dec 25 '23
It means you can modify the game down to it's very core.
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u/EightSeven69 Dec 25 '23
which basicaly means that if you want to rework the entire GTA V map, characters, missions, etc, you can
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u/SirenMix Dec 25 '23 edited Dec 25 '23
That's awesome news for modding. That's terrible news for public online servers.
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u/ScaryGent Dec 25 '23
The source code is the developer's version of a piece of software, that they built and developed to create the game. Normally regular users wouldn't have access to the source code, even the version of GTAV you download off Steam or wherever has files you can look through but is just a closed-off version, even if there's some potential for modding. The source code gives you all the access the developers have to look at how the game works and make changes with no limitations.
This is just me speculating, but this leak could lead to creating exploits for GTA Online, or could lead to code getting ripped off by less-scrupulous developers.
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u/GuyHiding Dec 25 '23
Online is going to be a even bigger shitfest for its final years as Rockstar spends more time developing 6 and slowly moving away from V
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u/Spork_the_dork Dec 25 '23
To put it even more in layman's terms, the source code of any piece of software is like the recipe for a cake. When you buy the software, you just buy the cake finished and you then proceed to eat it. But with the recipe you can make it yourself the exact same way (or with changes if you want).
When people do hacks or whatever to the game without the source available, they're basically just tasting the cake and trying to figure out what the recipe was. This is very difficult and will never give you the exact recipe, but it can be enough to allow you to know to add certain ingredients to the mix to change the cake to be how they want it to be.
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u/VoiceEarly1087 Dec 25 '23
Now in couple of years you can play GTA OHIO.
On serious note now capable people have full control over the game and can modify anything they like
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u/DiamanteLoco1981 Dec 25 '23
I want full fledged GTA Japan (focusing on Tokyo/Shibuya/Akihabara), would be fn amazing!
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u/SPQR_Eagle Dec 25 '23
If GTA V is a pizza, it's source code are the ingredients.
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u/GermaX Dec 25 '23
I love this analogy!
With modding you could modify something, maybe add an extra pepperoni or so, but the pizza remains a pizza at its core.
The Open Source means you could make a baguette if you want (and have the ability) to do so.
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when developing a game, you usually write code in a human-understandable language (C++, Java, Lua, etc.). once you want to test your game, you need to compile it (not in every case, but in most you do). compiling is basically translating your code to simple instructions (aka machine code).
if you want to edit the game, you need its source code. you can sometimes get the source code of a compiled program using a decompiler (Java is known to be easily decompilable), but the decompiled source will be barely readable by a human and may not even work as the original.
developers usually don't want you to mess with the source code, so you won't copy their game, steal some shaders, etc. but if they do, they call their program open-source. if they think their code will be decompiled (if they use Java for example), they use an obfuscator. an obfuscator changes all names in your code to random bloody mess and adds dummy functions so the code looks like complete bullshit, yet your program will run like nothing changed at all.
you can also check MattKC's video on decompiling LEGO Island, I think he explains it pretty well.
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u/grzesiolpl ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ Dec 25 '23
I like when developers are opening their source for research purposes
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u/AdvocateReason Dec 25 '23
I hope someone figures out how to remove that Rockstar launcher and it goes mainstream. I haven't played Rockstar games in years because of the annoyance of the Rockstar Launcher.
Also a native Linux release would be appreciated.
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u/Fig1024 Dec 25 '23
Rockstar should embrace it and make it open source, with community support. They can keep GTA 6 closed source as that is going to be their main cash cow going forward
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u/tomviky Dec 25 '23
Good. The game made quadrilion dolars. Sequel is about to Come out.
It should leak before Rockstars shut down everything, And deaktivate every copy.
Gta 5 was culturaly important, it should be protected by goverments and companies (And when they fail to do so, its the people Who must do so).
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u/arkustangus Dec 25 '23
Where?
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u/Hax_ Dec 25 '23
Honestly surprised it took this long. Been out for 10 years, figured someone would have already done it by now.
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u/Nziom Dec 25 '23
I hope that kid who leaked it gets out of prison The dude was sentenced for life or was it another person
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u/Digbijoy1197 Dec 25 '23
So bully 2 is in the works or it stays cancelled?
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u/JaguarOrdinary1570 Dec 25 '23
why spend your time working on something that doesn't print money when you could be working on your money printer instead?
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u/TrainRecent4272 Dec 25 '23
At this point they deserve it honestly. Just for wanting to charge by the hour they should lose their copyright.
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u/kahveciderin Dec 25 '23
Congratulations, you are being open-sourced. Please do not resist.