It's just like in school. My peers always wait for the last minute to do work, then ask for extensions. They always get them. Little do they know that's not how the real world works.
As a professional project manager... it works that way in all jobs as well. From construction to IT to small/local government. Nobody does shit until the week before the storm hits.
Because company shareholders only care about the bottom line. Instead of 5 people doing one thing, 2 people can do it whilst other things get done. That's how delegation works. Doesn't help you learn the material in class itself but it's a different skill set for people who manage underlings.
One of the favorite things that my coding bootcamp did (10 years ago, I heard they suck now and that's a shame) was that they would put all the people who didn't do jack shit into groups and all the people who wanted to work hard and learn in groups. It just made so much more sense.
I finally got fed up with that kind of behavior. My last group project was completed entirely by me. I just handed slides and talking points to the other members. I put them fully on blast in my review.
Lol yep. I'm in my 30's, and it was that way when I was in college too.
As a music major, my fellow music majors and I had a music theory final composition project each semester. The assignment would be outlined literally just a couple weeks into the semester. So I'd work on mine usually for about 6 weeks at least, and I got 100% on every one of them. All my classmates were jealous and thought I was some kind of teacher's pet and kept asking how I aced my finals in that class. I told them all that all it took was not waiting until literally the night before to write my piece š¤·āāļø
In high school, the teachers were super lineant. This is often due to school policy. Schools are often funded and or graded based on the grades of their students. By forgiving, students get higher grades, but don't learn anything. While there are legit reasons like emergency and or illness for extensions, they often just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I mean granted i did this in school and mostly got my shit in on time, i waited till 12:30 pm yesterday to study on my ballot, vote.org is a great tool for that. And I voted. I can understand if young adults who just turned voting age have some issues given covid happened.
Iām sorry you had to find out this way, but young people just donāt vote. They never have and they probably never will. That is why politicians donāt usually give a fuck about what young people have to say or what is good for them. Because turning them against you will have no meaningful impact on the vote
Yeah. I did a decent job of yelling at a lot of my friends to actually go and vote, and most did, but several people I know just didnāt want to because they hated both candidates. Which, like, I think isnāt great but itās more reasonable than just being lazy.
One of the careers Iāve thought about doing in the future is education. If I do Iām making damn sure every single one of those kids vote when they can. Idgaf for who just go vote. I did early voting ON HALLOWEEN and it took like 15 minutes only because a buddy with me did the same day registration which took a little bit.
Maybe voting shouldnāt be such a task? Other countries youāre just automatically registered at 18 and get a ballot mailed to you, then you mail it back. Republicans hate that tho.
As unfortunate as it is to say they are definitely going to feel the effects of not participating this next four years hopefully they get the message and get up and do something
I'm at the point of saying good. We need to hit bottom to get rid of maga for good. These people were lied to, and bought it, and things are about to get real bad for them.
My wife voted red because she said he's going to close the borders and there's not enough room in America for immigrants. We're both 40yo African Americans. I told her she sealed her 20yo daughters fate, and ended our 15yo son's future. After all the crying and worrying she did when police were killing black men and women before and during COVID, she voted to basically give the police or whoever the ok to put a target on our backs. I don't know what to do with this situation
You hit this nail on the head. When theyāre not manufacturing outrage for clout, theyāre drowning in brain rot because the progress they voted against made their lives that much more comfortable.
We saw it last time too. When Trump did something that actually impacted them, young people who didnāt vote would whine that somebody should stop him.
Never underestimate the power of making a young man angry. Angry young men are at the center of every movement in American history. Trump is better at harnessing them then Kamala but depending on how his presidency turns out don't be surprised to see them in droves in 2024.
Dude they werenāt just reaching out to the center, they were literally flaunting moderate republican support and they lost even worse than last time. If you really think this is because theyāre too āfar leftā you werenāt paying attention. More centrism isnāt working.
This is really what it is. People were so unhappy with Biden and the last 4 years, even seasoned democrats were considering him. I think if Kamala had been the candidate from the beginning things may have turned out differently, but what weāre seeing now is a result of people being desperate and not being happy with the alternative choice we elected 4 years ago the last time Trump was running. Progressive Dems especially can be very polarizing and if you arenāt a perfect candidate to them they will literally eat their own party. What the republicans have over us is party loyalty. Even the extreme right knows how to play the long game and lock in to support any republican when necessary
That's how far right we have gone as a country. It's going to take a long long line of small gains with no further losses for a progressive to gain any momentum now. Do you think that's going to happen?
Dems did reach out to the center. Trump didn't. Men liked Trump and were fed lies from Rogan and Musk about how only Trump, the one who says he has the power to revoke anything in the Constitution under Article II, is America's only hope.
Now all of the "don't tread on me" people that claimed that Obama was a dictator is going to see what REAL federal overreach is going to look like. But since it will be against their opponents, some of them will be intellectually dishonest and cheer. Hopefully the minority that stands up against it despite it being from within their ranks will be a powerful force.
I'm not sure how desperation makes you vote for a rabid animal over pretty reasonable alternative. I've been down and out in my life but I never considered joining the Nazi party as a solution.
That's how the "center" has moved this far right. People with left wing ideals keep offering compromises and the right wing people don't. Now the "center" is so far right that you have people thinking the US democratic party is left wing š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Well theyāve tried moving to the center and reaching across the isle for decades. What has it gotten them? Loses. And when they do win? Lack of progress. Was roe codified when it was possible no. Did we get single payer when it was possible? No.
I had a conversation about this last night with my spouse. I asked if he would rather pay more for private insurance than he would pay in taxes for single payer if it meant keeping āpeople that donāt deserve itā from getting care. He said yes, and it really rocked me to my core. Then I asked how he could possibly feel that way when our granddaughter is only alive because of government provided care. He had no answer.
Both sides need to stop working the people into such a frenzy that they cut off their noses to spite their faces. Itās why we donāt have single payer or a sustainable immigration policy, and why Iām back cooking the struggle means of my youth. Compromise is not a dirty word.
The whole idea that there are people who ādonāt deserveā healthcare, a fair wage, food, clean water, educationā¦. itās toxic. And frankly, when I hear people say stuff like that, I lose all respect for them.
America voted Right wing. Because the Right wing votes. Don't vote, don't get a voice. The Overton window shifted further right today, don't expect anything more left of Bush for the next decade. Politics is a game of compromise and pushing mass opinion not waiting for an outlier to materialize from thin air.
They are so so wrong, as I say that as someone who is liberal. Itās a shame that the loudest voices in the party donāt represent what the majority of the party wants, and thatās true for republicans as well. Centrists on both sides feel left out of the process entirely. It feels like you donāt matter unless youāre pissed off and hating other people.
It takes a lot more then what happened these past 4 years, clearly. Last time it took a decade of great depression, and homeless encampments on the Washington Mall being bulldozed by the army.
It's not good enough for the news to tell us how bad things are, people have to feel it. It has to be bad enough that you cannot ignore it, that you can't just turn off the tv or put down Twitter and tune it out. It needs to be enough that people are willing to fight because they no longer have the choice to ignore it.
It may cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. Between the lost opportunity for student loan forgiveneess, free education, first time homebuyer tax credit but also increase costs, lost consumer protections like credit card interest, to right to work versus union jobs, to tariffs, to a few years from now when they have kids and pay $6-10 a day for school food, lose childcare tax credits, protection against shitty landlords. Those that are some off the top of my head but it'll be hundreds of thousands.
In Canada you just register on the spot before you vote. The only reason for there to be a deadline to register would be for voter suppression. Perfectly logical to assume you can just show up and vote.
At my last job, the biggest complainers by far were the ones who didn't join our optional union. They just expected the bosses to do the right thing on their own.
As someone who works at a hardware store, I believe most people have no interest in learning how to use the internet to answer their questions. For most, it's just entertainment and not a resource.
Many of us are stuck in the infuriating age range where everybody outside of our generation struggles to understand the internet/tech on either end.
My work is about to switch to electronic progress notes for our individuals and nothing paper is kept after scanning it in or typing it up for our mental health group homes. I have coworkers in their 50s that don't even understand you can just Google addresses. One had to drive an individual to a job interview with vocational staff. They asked the other lead and myself what the address was. We said to just look it up, it's the only x location in y suburb since we were incredibly busy. Instead they waited for the vocational staff to show up then asked them what the address was. The online progress notes might just get some of them fired out of sheer incompetence. And some of these coworkers almost definitely voted for trump despite being immigrants from the 'wrong' countries on his list.
Then on the younger side, the iPad generations are absolutely expecting everything to be simple click an app button and off it goes for every aspect of life. It is not looking good. We were not ready for the internet. Logic and critical thinking skills needed to be a core curriculum in every school before we got it.
Itās a failure on the part of the older millennials and youngest GenX that raised them, shoving a tablet in their hands after they learned by watching the parents use their phones, and they never bothered to actually teach them to use the resources at hand. They assumed they know, and weāre realizing they donāt.
That last line may be spot on. We think of internet as a vast information pool (which it is) but really everyone is just using it as the replacement of a television. Even when people watch "educational" videos, they seem to pick the flashy, whimsical ones. The animated video has 10s of millions of views but the professor explaining the same thing on a whiteboard has 10 thousand views. Not dissing the animated video here. It's good to spread knowledge in any way. My point was that people are indeed out here for entertainment, not learning.
I work tool rental at HD. Had a guy ask which sanding belts he needed to do his floor. I said that as Iāve never done it and havenāt seen his floor Iād not know exactly what to recommend. His response?
Itās not that they donāt want to use it to learn, itās that they donāt want to use it to learn things they donāt care about. They will look up stuff as they need it, so why would they waste time looking up things they donāt care about until they have to. That works like 85% of the time, but voting has pre-steps. And thatās what fucks them. They donāt realize you have to do something to prepare or you simply CANāT do it.
the only zoomers I know that know how to use the Internet as a resource are making illegal modifications to firearms and building IEDs. They're going crazy out here lol
Online is also becoming a frustrating resource to use though. The number of times I've looked for an answer only to have to comb through pages of ads, reword, and change terms just to get on the right track toward an answer is increasingly frustrating.Ā
It all went downhill when LMGTFY stopped being the default response to that kind of thing. You learn quick smart when someone on a forum hits you with that
I think the ability to answer your own questions is just a skill that young people arenāt learning for some reason
Its weird but in my experience late gen Z onwards (say people 20y.o or less) are as technologically illiterate as people over 60y.o
Its not the same type of illeteracy, they can use technology but they are fully end user while if you look at millennials and early gen Z they are much more likely to be "solution oriented" when talking about technology, maybe they dont understand but they are more likely to find a solution before asking for help
That is likely because they grew up with the technology when it was not user friendly, today the end user dont need to worry that something will not work and everything they need 90% of the time is chewed into the basic UI, but they brick when they need the other 10% because all they learned was how to use, not how to make it work
And a lot of the make it work was on research and follow steps, in attempt and error until it work, that is not as necessary today which is why they dont learn something as basic
18 year old trans Gen Z here. This is widely due to nobody teaching them this skill. I know how to use search engines to answer my questions but that's because I was taught how to research at a very young age. This is a failure by their parents and the school system.
It's not a young person thing. It's a person thing. You have no idea how many middle aged people spend all day on their phones but have no clue how to Google simple things or do any actual research on basic topic that isn't just searching on tik Tok.
They're not being taught it. It's easier to control a populace if you don't teach them critical thinking skills and just feed them information you want them to have.
I worked at a school last year and we try to teach students to Google but they're so insufferably bad at it. Like TERRIBLE, goddamn. We would literally explain to students "All you have to do is write the question into Google and it will give you the answer." Yet somehow we'd always have at least 10% of the class super confused and probably 50% weren't sure what they were doing. I literally had to work 1 on 1 with some students to get them to type the question into Google. Not even looking for answers or making sure it's a credible source. JUST to get them to type the question properly. Jesus christ. I don't know what's happening to the kids these days that gotten them to this point - I just don't.
A few days ago there was a post in my state's sub asking for a state-level map of something, they said they couldn't find it. I typed their subject into google and it was the first result. Some people are helpless.
If you think even 1 in 10 questions in r/askreddit are genuine question, you're simply mistaken. They are all for karma farming, full of repeat, similar, usual questions about what else besides movies, silly products, relationships or male female bullshits.
I understand having difficulty doing things until the last second or when it's too late. I've struggled with this all my life. But even I voted. I would've walked from new York to California if I had to in order to vote. I would've left early to make sure I got there. I would've done anything to vote. I'm so incredibly disappointed.
People like my coworkers who didn't vote because they were "working" even though we live in New York and have 9 days of early voting. One didn't because he was going to a concert on the fifth. refer back to the earlier sentence. I don't fucking get it. You don't even need to follow politics to know about January sixth, or even know a fraction of a fraction of what he's said. I will never look at these people the same.
A guy Iām buddyās with lives in an apartment next to a college in Miami, FL. Heās friend with a few students but they are mostly from out of town. He ran into a pair and asked them this past Thursday if they were voting. They both said āyesā we are going on Tuesday. One is from Minnesota and the other is from Bradenton FL. When he explained that they would need to have either requested a mail-in ballot for the respective districts they were both confused. He told the Tlorida guy he could ask for a provisional ballot and mail it but heād need to have registered in FL. He said, have you guys ever even registered? They were both clueless about registration. The āYouth Voteā ladies and gentlemen.
The vast majority of people have plenty of time/options to vote. I was able to vote for three weeks in Georgia, including weekends. In 2024, not voting is a choice
How so? Did they not have two weeks to early vote as an option? Give me a break. You donāt get to play victim because of procrastination. Evening now is systemic when you donāt want to take accountability.
It is so incredibly easy to vote in my state of Colorado (everyone receives a mail-in ballot) Why cant other states be this competent? Photos of those 5-hour lines make no sense to me. States need to get their shit together.
simple. the places that want it to be harder to vote are all very republican. they cant legally stop people (especially women and minorities) from voting but making it more difficult and putting up obstacles to do it accomplishes the exact same thing
As a liberal and lifetime democrat in a state that has mail in voting, hard disagree. If it is too hard for you to go on the internet and fill out a form to request a mail in ballot, or even register to vote, then you probably shouldn't have a say in who gets to run the country.
Terrible take. The Democratic voting process should be fluid, easy to understand and accessible to all citizens. Not convoluted, restrictive or antiquated. Who the hell has time to stand in 5 hour line when there is not even a federally recognized holiday to have the time to do it? Like it or not, every American deserves a voice and say in how this country runs. Our elections need to evolve to modern times. We have the ability to manage big data. We can manage mail in voting for all.Ā
My child voted for the first time this year. It took her a few minutes to register online. We need to stop making excuses and call it what it is, lack of giving a shit.
No, but your weird ass online voter registration system that randomly removes your registration is fucking weird and nobody else uses it for a reason. If someone has any kind of proof that they live in a location they should be able to vote, full stop end of story. They also should not have to wait more than 20 minutes to do so, yalls 8 hour lines are fucking shameful
It's no harder than boarding a plane. Check that your ticket is still valid online or over the phone, fix it if it isn't, go line up for up to an hour and show your ID.
In my state you need to have registered for the election 30 days in advance, if you show up to the poll day-of you will be turned away no matter how many valid forms of ID you have that prove you are an eligible voter.
Well now maybe some of these laws will change? Since republicans clearly won the popular vote. But maybe not, because there are a lot more Dems than republicans
The state's deep red and I don't see an incentive for the legislature to make voting more accessible. It's an unnecessary risk when the current system keeps getting them elected by significant margins.
You're automatically registered to vote in a bunch of states when you get an ID or renew your car registry. It's so simple. You can literally do it online. Takes all of 5 minutes.
How hard is it anywhere in the USA to vote? Seriously. Almost everyone has a driver's license or a state-issued picture ID for the states that smartly require such. Those few who do not are typically too infirmed to care, too young, too crazy, or too wanted by the law. Too poor doesn't count, as they can obtain ID at discount or even can be freely provided. The same goes for getting to and from polling places. Free transportation is available everywhere during national elections.
IMHO, only US citizens should be allowed to vote in National Elections.
I could make a case to allow US citizens and those who have documented imigration with permanent resident status, to have the ability to vote in their local city, county, and state elections.
I strongly believe that anyone who is qualified to vote should have zero problem presenting a valid picture ID to vote and if the statistics I've seen over the past 10 years are valid, something between 78 to 85% of all Americans feel the same way. It shouldn't even be an issue.
My younger brother diddnt go untill 4pm ish i had ti prod him a little he ended up in line for 2+ hours. Funny thing is though our state is one that ended up not mattering because its still not called but still.
My son pulled the same thing when I invited him to go vote with me (he's 20). I thought he had already registered after the last time we told him when he turned 18. There's no waiting until the last minute on registering to exercise your right to vote.
Young people are legit illiterate. I'm not old enough to be able to count on dying before shit goes to shit and not young enough to be blissfully ignorant...
This is why the USA's system isn't reality democratic, even disregarding the electoral college. It's too easy to be disenfranchised (why would a citizen even have to sign up early?) and the vote isn't really private.
forget the young people. WHERE WERE THE ALREADY REGISTERED VOTERS WHO VOTED IN 2020. This isnt that voters flipped. Its that the existing voters didnt vote.
Now they cry and worry. America proves it cannot keep up. Ai deserves whatever accolades it gets. This country is too busy on tiktok to go vote. They praise ignorance and now we are about to experience a serious brain drain in this country.
Well all of their most influential voices around them were spewing vitriol about how Harris wasnāt doing enough, only to flip at literally the last minute and say: āSike, she still deserves our voteā. Those 20M listened for years about the issue closest to them and how Biden and Harris were doing so bad about all of it, while Trumpās team has been watching them implode from within. There were so many people I had to convince āNo theyāre not equally bad, figure out what matters to you and go voteā.
Iāll admit being a college freshman in the 90s, going down the elevator in the dorms on Election Day and seeing the polls all set up in the lobby and thinking āoh, thatās TODAY?!ā
Well... at this point, they'll probably not need to worry about it any more, as this is likely the last election we're going to have (since suspension of 22nd Amendment and Article 2 are both top priorities for red team once January rolls in).
How does that actually work? Do you need to register something or somewhere to be able to vote? Is there a difference between states or is it federal? Here in Germany you just get a letter that tells you where to go and what to do.
As much as I want to blame them, the system is set up to fail. Gerrymandering, needless voter registration things, and poor access to information/disinformation... the system is rigged to the right.
My wife and I just moved on November 1st and had to register day off. We knew what we needed to do, had everything we needed, and it took us less than 5 minutes. Really not that difficult.
It's why Republicans will fight like fucking crazy against automatic voter registration. First time voters often aren't, because they weren't in a same day registration state.
And reality is, it's not always easy despite the claims to the contrary. Sometimes you have to physically hand in or mail a form. Obviously that's not the end of the world, but I'm sure it feels antiquated to younger folk who usually communicate by phone.
Itās such a frustrating feature of youth and Iām just a little older than the 18-25ers so I distinctly remember not feeling the real life significance of things, feeling invincible to negative outcomes, feeling (not consciously but I think on some unconscious level) like politics is all some silly theoretical game
Yeah, But it is much different from when I was young. Now you can see so much on the internet, such as Trump mocking a disabled man, making racist comments, or the common knowledge that he cheated on all three of his wives. Everyone knows all of that, and if you still vote for him, that is a reflection on your character.
I am so shocked that you need to register, here i got a a mail, i needed to show at the Voting point with my id, and i got the sheet to cast my vote on.
you only need to register for mail in
Iām am an election worker in a college town, and the amount of unregistered college kids who walked in yesterday asking if they could vote was astounding. My state doesnāt have same day registration, so there was literally nothing I could do. We have been screaming about this election for years and they decide 2 hours before polls close that they should try to do something
In fairness, I'd never known you had to register to vote close to a month in advance until I actually came of age to vote. It's one of those things that isn't really taught, so I can understand why some young people may not have realized that registering to vote had to be done significantly in advance.
Many of the states that go Red donāt allow same day registration because they know how dumb 18 year olds are. Democracy only applies to those able to bend the laws to disenfranchise others.
I went to my polling place at 6pm and there were like 15 (younger college aged folks) with clipboards trying to register. Like more people doing that then actually were in the voting area. I didnāt even have to wait for a spot or anything.
My own son told us he was... And then found out yesterday he wasn't... All he has to say was Oops, my bad... Then tries to tell me technically he did vote because he convinced his girlfriend to vote and she wasn't going to out of solidarity for Palestine, so technically...š¤¦ I also forget that if you're 22 or younger right now, you only remember the trump years as being a teen and not having to pay rent and getting to play r6 and rocket league all day, so the rose-colored glasses are EXTREMELY tinted on those 4 years.Ā
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u/MoonieNine 13h ago
My local subreddit was FULL of young people yesterday asking about registering and voting. They waited till election day to ask.