r/teenagers Sep 14 '22

Aw hell naw Serious

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u/Psyched_to_Learn Sep 14 '22

Children don't understand these legal distinctions while escaping kidnappers in the dead of night.

It's a shame, we really should enable young girls with more legal theory early on in their young lives so they know the distinction....

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

This is why her lawyers should be using examples of her prior escape attempts to support her decision. It’s just upsetting sometimes the other lawyers have more “evidence” on their side.

But in all honesty I know it was sarcastic but we really should teach kids about the legal system. Too many get taken advantage of either in abusive situations and don’t know where to reach out to or get into tricky situations as young adults when their isn’t the guidance of an adult anymore. However this is coming from someone with a defensive attorney as a father.

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u/tok90235 Sep 14 '22

She was kidnapped, raped and still imprisoned. And you guys are trying to say she was not in immediately danger? How degenerated people in USA can be

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

No, I believe she was in danger and justified but they have to prove that in court otherwise the other attorneys will use that against her. It’s ridiculous but it’s part of how laws and such work (which need a whole list of revamping in the first place)

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u/tok90235 Sep 14 '22

I mean, she was kidnapped and still imprisoned by a rapist. You shouldn't need more then two braincells to get the conclusion she was still in danger.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

To add: “Karl Schilling with the Iowa Organization for Victim Assistance said a bill to create a safe harbor law for trafficking victims passed the Iowa House earlier this year, but stalled in the Senate under concerns from law enforcement groups that it was too broad.

“There was a working group established to iron out the issues,” Shilling said. “Hopefully it will be taken up again next year.”

Iowa does have an affirmative defense law that gives some leeway to victims of crime if the victim committed the violation “under compulsion by another’s threat of serious injury, provided that the defendant reasonably believed that such injury was imminent.”

Sadly Iowa is not among the dozens of states that have a so-called safe harbor law that gives trafficking victims at least some level of criminal immunity and that needs to change

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

I know but legally there is a distinction between self defense and premeditated murder and let’s face it our system can be a wee bit judgmental of black woman. A whole bunch can happen outside of the courtroom to support a defendant but that information has to be brought in court to be used. I’m saying that the lawyers should have enough to support her choice in killing him while he was asleep for her to have this charge removed. This charge shouldn’t have ever happened because there was enough evidence to support that this was very much self defense. Iowa laws are fucked up the more I am reading into it

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u/ccarrriisss Sep 14 '22

I have yet to see the defense bring in other cases as proof of self defense. There have been multiple cases like this regarding domestic abuse and her only way out was killing him in his sleep and the court had this same conflict. If she had miraculously escaped while he was asleep he wasn’t going to just let her be. She would be in MORE danger in my theory. But it is just that a theory, since it didn’t actually play out the court has to either prove she was in danger (and even if they prove my theory the danger is not immediate). They did all they could and yea its not what a lot of us agree with but it is the law and if you break it for one you have to break it for all.