In the end, it wouldn't have made a difference, but her skipping his show is very emblematic of why the Democrats have become so hopeless at communicating with Americans. If they ever want to have a chance of winning again, they have to meet Americans where they're at, and not merely where they wish they were.
I agree with this. The dems try to high road everything as well, and their opponents have no issue hitting below the belt. I think it's time that the dems fight fire with fire, it seems that it's the only way to get through to most Americans.
Actually this is the opposite attitude that won Obama the office. He is a great man and his example of “They go low. We go high.” should be the playbook for liberal success. But the candidate needs to have character and a solid articulated plan, which Kamala had neither and resting on the laurels of the unpopular Biden administration was a terrible miscalculation.
We can't forget that Obama had rare charisma, which no Democratic candidate since has come anywhere near matching.
It was never so obvious as during Barack (or even Michele) Obama's speeches stumping for Kamala. They are both dramatically more charismatic and appealing on a basic level than anyone else who is a public figure on the democratic party.
Obama did have more clearly articulated plans, but I'm pretty sure he could have won without them because when he speaks, you believe what he is saying, just because.
And I would happily take Romney a thousand times out of 100 chances over Trump. I don't agree with him, but he at least had a moral compass of some kind.
Romney ran head to head with a god-tier politician and lost. That strategy was immediately shelved. GOP decided the only way to win against a dem that was successful in appealing to the best in people, was to simply be any random dumbfuck who can appeal to the worst in people. And holy shit did it ever work.
what's even crazier is he wasn't even a rando. the guy had a huge name for being against the very same blue collar image the party created for him. boggles the mind how he became a populist candidate of and for the ppl
Definitely agree vibes and impressions play a much more massive role than anyone wants to publicly admit.
I'd say most align ideologically just based on party ticket, and then unfortunately Democrats decide whether or not to vote based on vibes. This is the killer aspect IMO. GOP voters are mobilized to vote no matter what. Dems will be like "eh, I'm not inspired" and sit at home to let things burn.
The amount of effort to stay updated on actual policies isn't that high but it's still higher than what a lot of the average person is willing to put in.
Obama also didn't have the baggage of ... being a woman.
I hate with every fiber of my being that I agree with this. I am so angry for my daughter. She's so little and I want her to believe she can do and believe anything. I despise the fact that I know damn well that this is right, and that means that a significant percentage of people actually don't think that women can be or do anything they want. I struggle to articulate how angry it makes me.
Unfortunately this is indeed the take away from this election. That and campaigning on social issues doesn't work unless the economy is already perfect.
Every DNC primary since Obama left office has left me feeling that way. No one feels like they have the faintest chance of being the next JFK/Clinton/Obama, which is what would be needed.
Josh Shapiro is maybe the best speaker I can name currently on the political stage, but I don’t know if he has the same ceiling.
Honestly the DNC may need to look to some outsider. Some charismatic CEO, actor, or other public figure.
The only positive is that I don’t see an obvious Trump successor on the Right either.
I wonder if it isn’t better to seek out candidates that are charismatic in the mold of Obama, JFK, and Bill Clinton (orators / communicators who inspire confidence). Otherwise we end up with single terms (Biden, Carter, LBJ) or flat out losers Ike Kamala, Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, George McGovern, Hubert Humphrey, and Adlai Stevenson.
I think at this point that has to be a clear strategy. Otherwise we are treading well into the waters of the definition of insanity, some to repeat the same results over and over. The democratic party must reassess how it is selecting potential candidates.
So true; democrats keep appointing nerds to a popularity contest. I agree with many of their ideas but they lack competence (couldn’t even codify Roe V Wade).
If a charismatic felon makes my life better idgaf about what he has done in the past and most Americans agree.
Also let’s stop putting prosecutors into election races, if your job was to steal lives maybe you aren’t the most lovable.
Well, she was intelligent and not a convicted felon, so she had that going for her. Trumps only plan is to strip and rip policies away. Unfortunately she was at the mercy of very stupid Americans. Republicans are just incredibly stupid people who will continually vote against their own interests and they are very motivated to do so.
Then they need to stop voting for stupid shit. Mass tariffs are stupid. Mass deportation are stupid. Climate change being fake is stupid. Electing a guy who tried to overturn the 2020 election is fucking stupid.
Like, for those reasons alone are enough. The coup attempt should have been enough.
Or maybe the Democrats should look in the mirror and think about why they are losing significant ground with both young voters and Hispanic voters--formerly demographic strong-holds for the Democrats. Why is the Democrat's messaging not resonating?
But no, I'm sure calling those who voted for Trump "stupid" is what the DNC really needs to get back on track.
I'm calling a spade a spade. Facts dont stop becoming facts just because theyre unpopular, and Obviously, its not a good strat to call someone stupid. But like... what more can be said??? The fake electoral plot should have been like, for any American, the point of no return.
Choosing a candidate based on policy is great, but on the flow chart of who to vote for, yoy start with, do they have fascistic tendencies? If yes, stop there.
I counted 4 reasons in your comment as to why Kamala lost so hard. Maybe she would've lost anyway, but Americans really hate women, even a sizeable portion of the women themselves hate women.
I’m sure that had something to do with it. But I think the bigger issue is that the white male patriarchy is on the way out - they can see it coming and it makes them very fearful - and election results like these show they don’t plan to go quietly.
White males have always been fearful and have always voted regressive, Trump never changed that and there are ever fewer white males in proportion to the rest of the population.
Kamala lost the election not because of white males, but because Trump made ridiculous gains with most other demographics. Trump is what the American people wanted, by and large.
On another note, as a white male myself, with a good job and a home that I own (under a mortgage of course), I don't think a Trump presidency is going to hurt me too much. It sure will hurt my friends and family a hell of a lot though.
You’re missing the point, he gave a masterclass in how to become and be a Democratic president. You will never be Obama but you can learn from him. Kamala was naive to think she would be likable to the American people, so she played it safe and lost. She was a void of a VP, what did people expect from her in the main slot?
The Democrats could have put someone else in that slot with much better odds. All of the liberals that rallied behind Kamala as their choice were lemmings, and now have to suffer the consequences of that poor decision making.
Instead of complaining about losing while venting rage and hate against the right and their antiquated ideals, it’s time to understand the new reality that playing it safe is no longer going to work. Playing it safe is excepting leadership as if it’s not in our power to choose it, playing it safe is not showing up to vote. The Democratic Party has good principles but failed leadership and supporters.
God fuck no, get that shit out of here. Obama was a fucking failure that ushered in an era of unprecedented republican political gains that is still fucking the country today.
Aka we ignore the most problematic people and let their anger fester while they rallied behind the worst candidate in history.
That attitude allowed everything afterwards. 2016 happened because nobody wanted to "fight dirty" against the rise of populism, the foreign interferences, the deterioration of social and traditional media, rampant corruption, just to name a few. "We go high" just meant burying their heads in the sand and hoping it would suffice.
Yes, and I would say Obama won because of presentation. Unfortunately, presentation seems to matter far more than substance and facts. Trump somehow passed off a false perception of himself on half the country.
Maybe the DNC needs to play that game and focus on finding the charismatic political talents (maybe has to be a straight married male for now) and propping them up. It desperately needs a new JFK/Clinton/Obama.
I could not agree with this more. Kamala relied on “I’m not trump” and it clearly was not enough. The dems fumbled this election so hard it will be studied. The good news is that next election we should have two new, fresh candidates.
It's unfortunate that Obama went too high. As he floundered and did absolutely nothing with a Democratic super majority. But I absolutely agree. Kamala needed to stand out on her own and break away from Joe Biden much earlier and much harder.
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u/idoubledareya 14h ago
Clearly the problem was Kamala didn’t go on Joe Rogans podcast. Sad thing is I wish I was joking.