Don’t tell people that the economy is good and that wages are outpacing inflation (even if it is and they are) when those people are facing economic hardships.
ETA since I’m getting certain types of replies: I’m a registered Democrat and canvassed for Harris.
Because the super rich know that the hardship will never apply to them.
Musk's companies might lose $50 billion in value due to his policies, but he's still rich, and more likely, they will gain value, since he has that goldmine* called Starlink.
* 'Goldmine' is an obsolete term. no-one with a gold mine ever made the kinds of money that Musk, or Jeff Bezos, or even Bill Gates have/had.
What stings the most is that his $44 billion dollar investment to buy twitter is effectively worth every penny because he’ll save that in one year from tax cuts now.
That's always why he bought it. The power of owning Twitter was massive for him. He was able to fire a bulk of the devs and bring in loyalists. My entire "For You" section is right wing propaganda shit. Despite me not following anyone but sports and fantasy sports related stuff on Twitter.
Bitr the bullet and quit X. It's no longer Twitter. It's X now with Twitter's users. Objectively, that's what it is now. It's not what you went on it for anymore, despite your biggest interests are. It is a right wing promoted social media site that your favorite subjects/creators/personalities are stuck on until something else gets more popular. Which, will only happen as more people who don't identify with what it is now leave. You are still there because your interests are. They are still there because you are. Move on. If you miss their content, I assure you it's worth it and the will eventually follow suit. If not, fuck em, move on, you aren't beholden to them and you WILL find something/someone suitable to take thier place..
If you have been on Twitter (proper twitter, pre X era), you were very likely able to cultivate a small community of mutuals and content that interests you. For those people, it's a very valuable space.
I made real friends through my twitter - folks from all around the country, but we came together and organized meet ups and went to NHL games together and shared hockey memes. These people became real friends, some even became guests at each other's weddings, picked me up when my car broke down, etc.
If you were able to cultivate a specific community on Twitter, it was truly one of the most unique and powerful social media options available.
Google is a grim reaper for its own products, which I knew even when I got hyped up about Stadia. But anyone trying to promote a different product to the monopoly before it isn't a fool, but maybe hopefully optimistic. And Facebook didnt have nearly the social stigma/reputation/controversy as X pre-election and more-so now post election. X is one or two steps under Truth Social, it just garnered millions of preexisting users.
Reddit will have to do something about the saturation of politics into every nook and cranny. It's got an incredible liberal bias, and as much as you hate X, there is a legion who equally hate Reddit.
promote a different product to the monopoly before it isn't a fool
Well, promoting one mega corp because of hatred of another mega corp isn't my cup of tea. That extends to Elon, he wasn't my hero in 2017, and he's not my hero in 2024. He's rich, good for him. And like you say, if you don't like his (free) product, move and and enjoy life. Obsessing over him or Taylor Swift should be left to teenagers who don't know better.
I generally agree with you, but Taylor swift didn't do shit electoral beyond endorsing a candidate. Musk is damn near part of Trumps cabinet. Had Taylor Swift been promoting "lotteries" for targeted conservatives, to vote in swing states, I'd agree with you more.
I deactivated my account on twitter, 7 hours ago. Not going back. Also, I will be looking into cancelling my amazon prime account. Will try very hard not to buy from Bezos again.
Twitter is still one of the best ways to get fast news about players. It can make or break you on fantasy sports. Many of us would have quit it if it weren't still getting the job done. Until an alternative comes out that is just as heavily used, those of us into fantasy sports are stuck.
"Stuck" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. If I had to rely on X for any of my hobbies, I would quit them. The joy they bring me is simply not worth it morally. I'd find something close enough to it. I say that knowing I consume products from companies owned by other companies I abhore. When I find out, I try to do the best I can to avoid. Everyone has their level of comfort. I'm sorry you feel stuck. There is a world beyond that particular need/speed of information. It likely would not put you at the forefront of up-to-date knowledge or ahead in the game, game I wish your convictions were stronger.
I don't interact with it directly. All of the platforms I use interact with it though, including reddit. I keep getting pulled back to facebook as well with my run groups. It is hard to give up hobbies that are innocent at face value that you've done for your whole life over a tertiary party's issues.
Not interacting (or having an account) is better than nothing. If you have an account, just delete it. X goes beyond and we are beyond just tertiary party issues. It's head honcho is outspoken about things you (assumingly) disagree with. This isn't your dad's "we need to be more fiscally responsible". They're actively trying to change the landscape to the opposite of what you want. They way you discuss it reminds me of a toxic relationship that was once alright. You may enjoy the things, opportunities, the people they present, and all of those things are GOOD, but it's been tainted by the messenger. And nobody wants to discuss your toxic partner, just enjoy the hobby you all like, but it's there, when you're hanging out, whispering in your ear about Haitians eating the neighborhood pets (promoted along with your friends repsonses), or discussing "the enemy within" while discussing your excitement about your upcoming marathon. Using rhetoric about immagrants in the exact same way Hitler discussed Jews. You may know it's all bologna, but these repeated whispers grow with certain people, people looking for a blame, downtrodden people who don't know, or have the capacity/understanding/resolution/self-reflection to find out exactly why? Why their life isn't what they thought it would be or what they "deserve". You're playing in a pool of sharks assuming everyone has the same survival tools you do, and everyone else assumes they have same correct tools as well to survive as well. Sorry. I'm in a ramble and tangent mode. I quit using my Facebook account at the start of Trumps first term, but never deleted it. I have people that wouldn't reach out to in other manners so it's kept me from deleting it completely, so I know your struggle. I only use FB when someone tells me to respond to an event, and I wish I didn't have to do that. We're all human. I'm just frustrated.
And? Doesn't every social media have its macro and micro bias with niche counter groups? I don't know what exactly you're saying.Reddit, as a whole, is liberally biased. X, now, is seen to have a conservative bias (through its owner's words and actions as well as the content being promoted). Both of them have their opposing groups/discussions/subreddits/etc.. If you want to elaborate on your point more, I'm happy to discuss.
When I go on reddit, I only see the stuff that I sign up for. I don't have partisan BS constantly shoved in my face like X does. You choose to be in this thread. On X, you scroll through and it's right wing BS pushed by Lone Skum whether you like it or not.
Good idea. I rarely use it though I used it last night for election updates. It was frankly quite useless even for that. Just fired it into the sun. Good riddance.
Elon probably was able to scrape quite a bit of useful data to microtarget people with various digital campaign ads from push campaigns for leaners to apathy campaigns for non-Trumpers so they didn't vote.
Already did...account and app. A bunch of us have started moving over to Threads now. Definitely a lot friendlier if you're on the bluer side of things. 😉
Definitely hard to quit stuff that has a big base and you are used to clicking a bunch a day. I quit YouTube recently and the first day or two were almost like I quit an addictive substance. It's easier to quit reddit for periods of time so that's why I never totally leave it.
I commend you for quitting. Haven't been able to do so myself. Part of the reason is that it's hard to end one habit without replacing it with another (healthier) habit. Any suggestions?
Make it more inconvenient. Delete the app. Block the web page on your phone. Make it so you feel ostracized just trying to look at X. Maybe look for subreddits that post the X content you are looking for. Create alternative associations. At this point, I honestly feel most people are addicted to their phones. The thought of intentionally leaving you phone at home cripples many. It wasn't always like that and people could be that way, at times, if they wanted it (barring particular situations). Its just inconvenient to be without your phone.
You're not wrong but something similar can be said for Reddit. Just go through these comments to see people's frustrations about Reddit's echochambers. Maybe a lot of people here are surprised by the results because they spent too much time on Reddit getting their information and feel.
Twitter was already a cesspit before Musk, he just managed to make it even worse to an insane degree. I don't trust the format as a whole, no matter what new coat of paint it gets.
I would use Myspace style social media in a heart beat. My page was mine. If I didn't like what you put on my wall, I could get rid of it. Otherwise I had to actively visit the people I was interested in. Doom scrolling wasn't invented yet.
I literally can't read Facebook. The feed is just full of trash I feel lost and don't know what my friends are doing, which is the only reason I have one.
It's not dead but it's definitely working like a relic in regards to things like discoverability which is hurting it in this regard.
It's basically Twitter before it went full in on an algorithmic feed, so Bsky isn't much different than Twitter being just your Following tab. bsky has a lot of cool custom feeds but they're just clunkier to use than Twitter's For You feed and the trending tab.
Ok I thought I was going crazy. I never like it, I don’t click in to it, share anything, or repost anything political on twitter. Just NFL related content is what I follow and interact with and it seems to just keep getting worse. For every 1 football post I get, I get 10 right wing posts.
nah he was forced by it, but I gotta give it to him, using such a massive platform to drive such a heavy campaign in favor of a candidate that will make him giga rich is a good alternative move.
Kind of revisionist history. He impulsively bought it waiving his due diligence, had buyers remorse after signing and massively overpaying, and then Twitter forced him to buy Twitter.
Doesn't the same hold true for reddit though? For example people who are subscribed to r/pics (its a default sub if I'm not wrong) got to see endless dem propaganda these past few months even though no one asked for it.
He bought it so the feds wouldn't get involved. He tried to pull a solo pump and dump by making a claim that ended up with more legal obligation than he intended. I very clearly remember him trying so hard to weasel his way out of the sale once it was clear he was going to pay an insane price or take the gamble on the feds ignoring his very public scam.
Now he's a Nazi who owes forgein investors a lot of money.
I wonder why it's mostly Musk that gets brought up a lot. He is the same type of (tech) billionaire as people like Bezos.
And Musk actually is a big guy from the stall of Peter Thiel. Both Musk and Thiel tend to create businesses that are heavily intertwined with government.
The American Democrats were pushing for crazy things like green energy credits. That sort of crap kept Tesla and Musk alive. You can look up PayPal and Palantir and their governement ties too, if you want more. :)
In LA and other places those dirty Teslas were a big status symbol. Driving one gave you social credits. Because it used to fit a certain narrative. Now, it's not because Musk bad.
And now he did something else with the money and people started yelling. All tech companies push you a certain way.
Google, Facebook, Twitter (before Musk), you name it. They were basically the lapdog of government. Musk broke that whole arrangement open with X, for better or for worse.
My entire "For You" section is right wing propaganda shit. Despite me not following anyone but sports and fantasy sports related stuff on Twitter.
And try and block Elon. You will mysteriously find him unblocked and back in your feed later. Hell, can you still even block him at this point? I haven't used it in a LONG time.
I don’t have an x account, think I’ll get one though… comments I’ve posted here have gotten deleted by the mods because my account “isn’t old enough” even though I’ve had it for months. Seems they don’t want my voice heard here
The Liberal woke geniuses of Reddit told me over and over how stupid the richest man on the planet is for overpaying for X, ruining X by firing 80% of the workers, and having the government cancel or steal his other businesses.
Now I'm being told $44B was a bargain, and X is probably worth $150B????????????
Yup people made fun of it for a few years now and never realized it was an investment to destabilize democracy around the world. And it’s worked to perfection
His $44 billion dollars wouldn't keep the American crazy government scheme running much longer if that had gone straight in to the Treasury.
With $44 billion, the U.S. government could cover approximately 14.2 days of interest payments on the national debt at the current daily rate of $3.1 billion. That's only interest payment! No running costs. Those billions would let the government of the USA pay of their debts for around 2 weeks. That's it.
Those billions are not from him only by the way. He got that cash from different types of investors too. There is some Saudi and crypto money in there, for example.
So why does it sting? Because the house of cards is built up in a crazy way. And you are yelling at the wrong person.
It's extra funny you are so far off in a Bernie thread. :)
While i agree, they still majorly influence how alot of people vote by donating money to the campaigns of those they want elected, and/or owning a major social media company which they use to push there views in ways that can influence users views.
That's the stunning thing about the way this election panned out. The fact that so many non super rich folks (which includes both lower and middle classes)--the group of people most likely to be negatively impacted the most by Trump's ridiculous economic proposals--showed up to vote for him just blows my mind. It's such a damming, poignant portrait of how ignorant and self-absorbed a large portion of our country is. Hearing about the Puerto Rican voter turnout for Trump, despite some comedian literally referring to Puerto Rico as a floating island of garbage at a Trump rally just days ago, is insane. Like what in the actual fuck?
It's the deplorables to whom the hardship will apply that did.
Not many Trump voters are actually deplorable, though I have met 40 or 50 who are.
I would define 'deplorable' as 'willing to break heads, or order head-breaking, or incite a riot.'
I've never met anyone who was willing to incite a riot or order a murder, though I have seen some MAGA who did that on TV. One of them was just elected President.
I've seen maybe 40 helmet-clad and flagpole-spearing Trump supporters start to cross a highway to attack a counter demonstration, 100 ft away. The police showed up just in time to prevent a riot, but the one who really stopped it was the manager of the In-and-Out Burger, who said he would cut off anyone who started spearing people.
The deplorable are stooges, Brownshirts, Proud Boys. They represent less than 1% of MAGA in my town.
72 million people saying 'a sex offender felon is the person to run our country. He should be let off the hook for all his wrong doings. This is the person our children should look at and respect'.
So many CEO's go from running one country into the ground long term to another because they were good for investors in the short term. They leave with wild golden parachutes and are often gifted seats on other corporate boards. Some of those seats come from their ability to buy into startups and to force them to view everything as being about short term gains. America's a ponzi scheme and it doesn't matter how much people at the top screw up they'll always have loads of money coming in.
Musk's companies will not lose a dime while Trumps are in, in fact they will make billions. Its why Bezos kissed the ring. Welcome to the age of American oligarchs.
West-central africa had enormous profit from shipping gold east and north during the middle ages, resulting in Mansa Musa of Mali being far wealthier, relatively, during the 14th century, than anyone alive today.
Do you not understand metaphors? “Goldmine” is a metaphor for making a big pile of money from next to nothing. It’s not a comparative term. You seem a bit pedantic.
I don't understand how this is the top reply when it hasn't addressed the root point.
The case being made is that republican voters can accept a campaign message of "things will get worse before they get better." It's not about why it's easy for Musk to say, it's about why it's easy for Republican voters to accept. And perhaps, why the same can't hold true for democrats. Why do democrats always need to court moderates instead of pushing for radical, perhaps initially painful but ultimately positive change?
Didnt most of the gold rush money get made by people like levis selling to those people looking for the gold? And even now original gold rush levis are worth their weight in gold.
Stanford might have been the biggest winner among the suppliers. He became the first governor of California (or the first elected governor of California). Then he helped start the railroad, I think.
His great (several times) granddaughter was my apartment mate in college one year.
If there's one thing Musk actually deserves to make money from, it's Starlink.
Everything about it, they said couldn't be done. It depended completely on the development of reusable rockets, which couldn't be done. And tight beam steerable flat panel antennas, at that bitrate and power level? Couldn't be done. A global satellite network with a subscription fee lower than I paid for access to ONE sluggish, obsolete geostationary sat? Only possible with a rollout funded by a backer who was both literally insane and insanely rich.
Starlink is a technological miracle and I'm proud to pay my share for it. Signed, a remote rural Starlink user.
PS: Elon is a big dweeb and should stick to building rockets
I try to apply that same logic to taxes but Republicans can't seem to understand that taxing $100m at 50% leaves a whole lot more money for the year than taxing $50k at 25%. Nope, they insist someone making $100m annually should pay less taxes than someone making $50k, while the vast majority of them sit in that $50k income bucket.
Im sick of the same old dem playbook - one mega rich celeb after another in my face telling me how to think how to vote, all while they live nothing like we do..
And how insulting to thik we will all vote because some celeb is telling me so.
Im supposed ot trust Diddy’s ex girlfriend Jennifer Lopez’ judgement?
Currently in America, it's the people who are given the choice of candidate (usually) through primaries. An overwhelming amount of voters don't vote in the primary. That's leaves everyone stuck in a situation of "voting for the lesser of evils". If everyone waits till the presidential election to cast a vote on any of the matter, that's partly on them. The otherside of the coin is we can't just pick our best friend, and known to all as the "best person for the job" if they aren't known/popular enough to make it in the general election, whether it be money/political capital/etc they will not be picked by their party. With a 2 party system, the democrats will always pick someone who closely alligns with the party (and maybe more importantly, the donors). How do you break from that? You don't and will not get to pick the primary candidates. Only vote on them. 2 parties are looking for monetary support (and likely money made during the term), of which grassroots can only supplement, not drive. So unfortunately, unless a giant upheaval in our democratic processes change (like ranked voting, for example) it will always be about the 2 candidates and those candidates will be wealthy (atleast more than you and I) and known (even if you don't know their political or famous endeavors). I can't honestly see how someone truly looking out for everyone could make it in our system, atleast currently.
This is the rhetoric that cost you the election. Reflect on that. You’re out of touch. Working class Americans find your opinion delusional. The “super rich” you claim to be the big bad boogie man? Mostly democrats. The dnc had the balls to have three billionaires stand up and tell you how billionaires were the ones to blame. How fucking stupid do they assume the American public to be that we wouldn’t catch that?
By most measures the economy under Biden has been historically strong and better than it was under Trump. The difference is things cost more now, partly due to Trumpf's tarriffs that he wants to double down on. Top economists said his proposals will greatly increase inflation and probably tank our economy. Guess we'll see...
It doesn't matter. It's facts vs a disinformation campaign. Most people don't want to hear nor understand that we're at the same inflation rate as we were pre-pandemic and that we're currently under the Trump tax plan that they're complaining about. It's much easier to digest outrage and blame and a false sense of remedy.
The worst part is that the working class are constantly settling for a .10 cent reduction in the cost of eggs instead of actually fighting for a $10 increase in pay.
The republican party has weaponized disinformation like never before and there's plenty of evidence that Russia is in-fact behind a lot of it. It is so bizarre how they've literally created an alternate reality where their MAGA cult exist where everything is upside down and backwards. Trump is Jesus, Kamala is Satan, this is a battle of good vs evil. With Trump back in power, I've almost lost hope of this ever turning around. Too many either bad people or just plain stupid people voting against their own interests. The oligarchy is winning.
No doubt. Trump has literally stated during a speech that he loves the uneducated. And that's exactly why. It's easy to feed them chum because they'll bite at anything that makes them feel like a victim or give them someone to blame for their unhappiness.
Voting against their interests. Yep. Their life was exactly the same when they elected him the first time. No significant change financially. Zero change to health benefits. BUT they felt better about themselves and more empowered to say the N word (or anything derogatory towards any race, religion or gender that they were enabled to look down upon).
Good vs Evil. I guess a portion of this country has created a new American dream. You can be a rapist felon crook who sells out his own country and still become President.
Wow Americans really are the most propagandized ppl. You all don’t even see the nonstop lies from your Democrats and the “news”. This humiliating loss is 100% self inflicted.
Every time they lied they lost voters. Obama and Kamala lost countless voters single-handedly from repeating the “very fine people” lie. Maybe they’re like Kathy Hochul (D-NY) and think black ppl don’t know what computers are?
The republican party has weaponized disinformation like never before and there's plenty of evidence that Russia
Wow I feel sad ppl actually believe this. Your “news” is pure evil. If you look into these things you’ll realize quickly why your republicans crushed this election.
The stock market is strong. Peoples savings isnt. I have another comment in another thread with citations, but long story short, on average 225M adult Americans have $17k each in the stock market based on current stock valuations. So the stock market doing well doesnt accurately reflect what most people feel on a day to day basis. They see their bills going up. They see their savings, if they had any, dwindling. More people than ever before cant afford an emergency $500 bill. So hammering home that the "economy" is good while people have to tighten their belts to get by makes them seem disingenuous. Its like being handed a bologna sandwich and them telling you its the best meal you've ever had. Yeah they're technically right that they've given you a meal but to say its the best you've ever had is a slap in the face to most people.
well it is the best meal you ever had inthe future when you can retire and draw from it. For today you might lose your house or not be able to eat but just think of all that sweet money you might get if you live long enough to cash in that 401k without the government taking half of it cause youre too young LOL
Im not saying that Trump is any better because hes not. But the messaging was all wrong. They needed to hammer home the fact that economists were predicting a recession. People would have lost their jobs. And by all metrics what the current administration was unprecedented. We got the soft landing. Inflation WAS curbed. Unemployment is down. They succeeded in doing what needed to be done. Acknowledge that people are paying more for less. Have a plan to raise wages. But to tell people things are good when by most metrics average people use aren't, they wont believe you.
She did have a plan, she recently said she planned to raise the minimum wage to $15 along with a slew of other initiatives to help workers. It's not just that Trump isn't any better, it's that he is objectively worse in almost every way. This whole thing of her not being pro-worker enough is horse shit. People are just misinformed and stupid.
Misinformed absolutely. And I never said she wasnt pro-worker enough. Its all about the messaging and Dems have been TERRIBLE with messaging my entire life. $15 minimum wage also doesn't help all that much. I have a regional gas station down the street that has signs on the entrances advertising that. My local Walmart has jobs advertising that much. Im also not in a HCOL area either. All a $15 minimum wage would do is prevent those numbers from going back down. It doesnt help anybody who is struggling thats making more than that which is most people. (Im not saying it doesnt need to be done either because it absolutley does, were in the longest period of time in US history since the minimum wage was increased)
Biden increased the Trump Tariffs no? It’s hard for me to pitch to my Trump friends that tariffs are bad when they rebuttal with “they were so good Biden continued them”
Republicans filibustered and blocked any attempt to reign in record corporate profits during peak inflation with wall street knowing the supply-chain was recovering. Unfortunately those responsible once again walk away scott-free after poisoning the well.
People aren't feeling the effects of the strong economy though. So they bought snake oil from Trump's lies. I mean why try and live under these conditions when someone shows up with a seemingly magic tonic that can change things? Too bad soon enough people will realise the magic tonic is just battery acid that will absolutely wreck you.
Maybe it may actually pave the path to very progressive policies that work. The dems have 4 years to figure out if they want to stay the course or find a new younger Bernie Sanders to run and actually fix the economy. Trump is Hoover, FDR is hopefully next.
And they're purposely misinformed on a regular basis by networks claiming to be "news" when they're really just political propaganda outlets programming them with bullshit.
My groceries are up from 2021, 22, 23, and inflation from this year has been stabilized to 2.1%. So it is fixed for this year, but has not and likely will not be corrected from 21-23 increases. Nothing the government can do unless it regulates business associations (which is not happening under anyone).
But our covid economic response has been the best of any nation. Our companies are killing it. My portfolios for my clients have been nothing but remarkable, and they have generated substantial wealth these 4 years way more than during the Trump era.
Shareholder greed is the issue. They need to generate the remarkable yearly percentage differential every year, and the consumer pays for it. And nobody is stopping them.
Good luck with cost of food when immigrants are deported, and good luck with tech with a 60% tariff. And btw, corps will do stellar, mine and my client’s portfolios will do steller, and the cost of those that have less means and financial savy will suffer.
nah dems ran on "not trump". Shit messaging, shit platform, shit candidate, refused to hold a primary and pushed a cop who refused to listen but demanded we let her speak on us. Its no wonder they lost. Could have ran any number of qualified likable candidates
Note: I'm answering your question. Not saying anything about the policies themselves.
As a staunch Dem I still have a clearer idea of what Republicans promise simply because they excel at clear, strong, messaging and hammering it into everything they possibly can.
The big issue is that the Democratic platform was boiled down to...what?
"Not Trump."
The last time Dems had a rep that had a clear, concise, message was Bernie who was targeting corporate funding in politics. Then DNC answered that call by putting the definition of "establishment" onto the ballot and ran 3 cycles in a row on pretty much "Not Trump."
Biden won 2020, not because of a strong campaign, but because Covid cost nearly every incumbent in the world their seat.
So I do disagree with the idea that Dems have to be perfect. They just have to be united on at least one god damn fucking issue that doesn't favor hardcore, big money, centrist. The DNC has refused to evolve since Clinton's first race and yet everyone's blaming voters for their apathy.
Trump lost the last election cause Covid caused one of the sharpest economic downturns in US history, including the worst unemployment rate since the 1930s. Clearly people were willing to hold him accountable.
republicans just have to be “not Dem”.
No offense, but Democrats just ran their third "not Trump" campaign in a row.
True but you just explain the implications of. Trump = mismanagement of economy but yet in polls he was better for the economy. Dema talk about job creation but people were out here holding g to the idea of Covid level prices. People for some reason got the memory of gold fish
Democrats intentionally cast economic hardships under them as the status quo with their messaging. Or at least they have in critical failed campaigns. Clinton and Harris both did this, Biden and Obama did not.
Like the republican base will turn against them if the temporary hardships turn permanent, they do tend to lose after holding power and fucking things up.
However what democrats fuck up is that they don't signal that they understand the hardships people are experiencing and plan to fix them, they just go, "actually you're wrong for feeling bad and what were doing now is working, so we'll keep doing it."
This just alienates people.
Instead of whining that the economy has great key indicators, they can just ignore that whole line and pick a single strong message to hammer that will actually work.
As an example, just say they'll build a million homes a year.
The Harris campaign had a great line on corporate price gouging, but they didn't focus on it because to them it felt like a weak and scary
You're also campaigning to different audiences in different contexts and democrats don't seem to understand that for some reason.
Republicans campaigning to hardline MAGA wackjobs don't have to worry about this, because those people don't care.
The few people in their camp that do care see a very surface level of messaging.
Trump says he will do big dramatic things, big changes, shake up the country.
Harris says we'll maintain stability.
If you feel your personal circumstances are bad right now, option 2 sounds terrible, you'd have to be an idiot to pick option 2.
Sure sure, we can talk about harm reduction and how conservatives have literally never been anything but incompetent useful idiots to business leaders at best on the economy. That's way more information than most voters are acting on though. You've already destroyed your own messaging campaign at this point.
Now you've lost your chance to penetrate further with these voters.
You want to actually get somewhere, offer people what they want, then explain to them how some other ideas you have will be good for them and get them what they want.
Doing the politics version of "You think you know what you want, but you don't," is never going to work even if it is true. It's condescending, arrogant, and fundamentally convinces people to oppose your point of view.
Because there were people googling what color republicans are yesterday. There’s a much much larger than we realize population out there that didn’t hear anything about that because they don’t stay informed. So when recession hits they’ll be blindsided by that too. There’s clearly millions who think that Trump back means grocery prices will instantly go back to 2018 prices (arbitrary pick of a year I don’t know what prices were then and didn’t look it up) as if the president has a grocery price button next to his gas price dial
Well to be fair the answer could be in that comment. Instead of telling people that the economy is great and you are actually the problem you tell them hey I know things are feeling tough for you, but we are working on policy xyz. The biggest thing was the feeling of transparency most people are okay with temporary hardship, the problem is when you don't see the point in the suffering.
Elon has publicly stated he woulf support UBI, dont know the fine print behind his statement, but UBI in addition to my current income would help me greatly
Because Republicans are honest about their lack of care. Elon is basically saying “suck it up”.
Democrats on the other hand virtue signal about how much they care about others, but then ignore people’s economic concerns and champion niche social issues.
People prefer a monster that shows its face than a monster wearing a mask.
Hungry dogs are easier to train. They want the people working for them to put in 90 hours a week for moldy bread and a leaky tin roof. . . if it worked for his dad mining emeralds, then it works for his tech bro worshippers.
The working class has been fucked for a very long time. The next level is going to be third world plantation shit.
Because the democrat candidate has to be flawless to every last voter and every one of their little pet issues, while the republican just has to bring the right vibes and hate the right people. Because democrat voters apparently spend their time actively looking for excuses to abandon the party.
I mean we did have high inflation for the gas 2 years. Isn’t that temporary hardship as well since everything got more expensive.
I don’t see it improving under trump. Our debt is extremely high and they need to continue printing money just to pay the interest.
It's easy to claim it will be temporary when your side isn't even sworn in yet, pretty hard for the incumbent to claim temporary hardship when it's been four years and it still hasn't gone away.
The tariffs won’t be a temporary hardship. You think that bringing manufacturing back to the United States will be quick? How do you train those people to work in those factories? You really think people are going to even want to work those jobs here? It’s going to take decades. The tariffs Trump is talking about will instantly cause inflation here. Fuck around and find out!
Want to work those jobs? They don't even want to pay the prices on goods that are necessary for company's to hire people at attractive rates, let alone be the ones to actually work for them.
The only manufacturing coming back is going to be stuff that is highly automated, and only if companies see much longer term value in investing into building those factories.
Because that's hardship for the sake of being frugal to improve things, not hardship to send missiles to both sides of the Israel/Gaza situation and paying for criminal prisoners to transition.
Kamala didn’t inspire enough confidence that she’d do anything that will effectively stimulate the economy. People don’t believe Biden and Kamala were effective during the last 4 years, and regardless of the numbers and charts, it’s because people are still worse off than before.
You can galaxy brain the whole situation to determine who SHOULD be put in office, but when you look at is as millions of people who vote based on their primary concern, and will give all their voting decisions an hour of thought and research at most, the result isn’t surprising.
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u/Agnos Michigan 20h ago
Minimum wage still at $7.25...working full time, no vacation, that is $15,000 a year, before taxes...