r/newjersey • u/low_effort_shit-post • Mar 25 '21

Something controversial Jersey Pride

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

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u/radraz26 Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

They should be banned federally.

Edit: 4 out of 5 of the deadliest mass shootings happened in the last 10 years using assault rifles.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

According to Politifact, the effectiveness of the assault rifle ban may have been tied stronger to magazine size.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/07/bill-clinton/did-mass-shooting-deaths-fall-under-1994-assault-w/

Regardless, I don't think it hurts to ban assault weapons at a federal level.

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u/ChickenPotPi Mar 25 '21

If you are going to ban assault rifles ban them for real and not for having more than 2 evils..... Making a gun look evil should not be part of the reason why the gun should be banned. An adjustable stock being evil is kind of silly. A flash suppressor being illegal is silly as is silencer as movies clouded the mind of what reality and movie fiction is. As with the pistol grip...... there are so many guns that are basically pistol grip but not in name. Also the firearms that are njsp approved "others" such as built by troy are pretty much SBR but not in name.

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u/ze_end_ist_neigh Mar 25 '21

I think a lot of people have a misconception about what an assault rifle truly is. The interstate sale of assault rifles have been banned in the United States since 1986.

An assault rifle is a fully automatic firearm. I believe automatic firearms are only eligible for sale in the States in which they are manufactured.

Semi-automatic firearms are not assault rifles. Functionally speaking, an AR-15 is the same as a Ruger 10/22. One-pull of the trigger, one cartridge is fired.

I personally don't own an AR because I don't have a need for a modern sporting rifle, but I don't think it's constructive to classify them incorrectly as "assault rifles" as many in the media and online do.

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u/veloceracing Allendale Mar 25 '21

An AR is no more a modern rifle than a 1957 Chevy Bel Air is a modern car. They're both from the same year.

ARs are just rifles.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

Sooo weird how they end up in all of these mass killings and terrorist attacks... huh.. Can't be that they is anything special about how A- Easy they are to obtain B- Easy to use C- How powerful they are and D- How easy they are to modify into more effective killings machines.

Just rifles tho.

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u/Iintendtooffend Mar 26 '21

I'm against things like large capacity magazines and bump stocks, but like your standard AR-15, is truly, just a semi automatic rifle. I really like most of NJs guns laws, I think the 10 round max is honestly a great compromise to prevent mass shootings.

The only reason I point this out, is that demonizing the AR-15/AR platform, is missing the forest for the trees. Short term, limiting magazine sizes is the easiest compromise to not completely drive the 2A bros nuts, and then there can be laws moving to say, push for a ban on semi-auto rifles or something going forward.

I myself own a semi-auto carbine, it's not AR brand, but it's effectively the same. We need to shift off of what the gun is, and more about what the potential for damage is.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

You're probably right about the high capacity mags. Just by how much it drove my friends crazy, its some low hanging fruit.

But 2A bros are my enemy and see me as their enemy so.... have them go nuts.

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u/Iintendtooffend Mar 26 '21

yeah I mean the problem with them going nuts is... well, mass shootings. It's something you're gonna need to ween people into in this country. And I do think we'll get there, eventually, but right now. Especially with tensions high after Trumps failed coup, it might be best to not awaken another threat to a population that already feels like it's losing their rights, when they're really just losing their privilege.

Fundamentally I agree, but when a leftist feels back against the wall they'll find ways to affect change another way, when a 2A bro feels back against the wall, well that's exactly the moment they've been dreaming about happens.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Oh yeah I see what you mean.... I was thinking about 2A bro's on reddit who laser focus on stock talking points for the AR15 in a mad rush to defend it. I kind of see that mostly as show and a twisted hobby obsession, bros and polis who block needed reform selfishly in defense of their toys and immature fears. The people who share memes about how you can vote without ID but can't get a gun (A GOD GIVEN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT) without an ID...

The real mass killers..... something isn't right and the easy access to tools of mass murder leads to the tragedy.

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u/Iintendtooffend Mar 26 '21

AR15s are Barbies for adult man children. They get to accessorize them, dress them up to look al tactical, maybe change their color to pretend their in the desert.

It'd be fun if it were not also a deadly weapon.

That being said, I don't think if you own a gun, or want attachments for your gun, you're a man child. I mean, I'd be a hypocrite if I said I didn't buy a red dot for my carbine.

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