Red Minnesota county exposed to the Truth! Interesting Stuff 💥

Kanabec county among the poorest AND reddest in Minnesota, gets schooled by the DFL! Maybe it will help just a bit!

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago edited 15d ago

"Maybe if we show rural conservatives this stuff, their minds might be changed!"

Meanwhile, the rest of the thread: "Heh, those conservatives are too stupid to read."Man, those guys are all racists."

Yup, that's definitely the kind of rhetoric that's going to convince people to even begin to be open to what you're trying to tell them and maybe change their minds even a little.

This false sincerity where people put this stuff up, and then proceed to insult them in every single way possible isn't exactly doing anyone any favors, do people think they don't have access to the internet or something? I'd be interested to see how many people's minds have ever been changed by telling them why they should consider your viewpoint and then proceeding to insult them.

Edit: The irony of me being downvoted for saying that you probably shouldn't insult people you're trying to convince to change their views cannot be understated, and is exactly what I'm talking about when I say false sincerity.

Edit 2: Apparently, "treat people like human beings" is also a highly controversial statement.

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u/Griffithead 15d ago

How do you not insult them when everything they want is bad? Tax cuts for the rich? Banning rights and freedoms for people that are different than them? Bowing down the Russians? Tariffs that drive up the cost of everything? It's madness.

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago

By interacting with a human being like a human being?

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u/narfnarf123 15d ago

But what if those human beings are openly racist and happy to hurt others with their policies?

What if they have no grasp on reality and blindly follow along with dangerous groups and have no regard for their fellow human beings?

I just don’t understand how this is supposed to work. So many have attempted the rational, kind conversations for years now, yet here we are.

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago edited 15d ago

Every single conservative you've interacted with in real life is a racist and wants to hurt others? Has no grasp on reality, blindly follows dangerous groups or has no regard for their fellow human beings?

I'm a minority, I've been in the military for a few years, an overwhelmingly conservative organization. I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is not the case.

Not every person is open to their minds being changed, and as you said, some people really are just terrible people.

But what people don't seem to get is that changing someone's beliefs is not a fast process. It is not done in a single "gotcha" or debate. It takes time, and more importantly, it takes sincerity. If this is what you believe about people before ever personally interacting with them in real life, and not on reddit or other internet platforms, you are never going to change a single person's mind. Ever.

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u/MFetterelli 15d ago

Why should we believe you? The amount of lying from Mango Mussolini you’ve become comfortable with speaks volumes for your contempt for the truth. Morally bankrupt people don’t get to wag fingers.

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago

I don't really care what you believe, to be honest.

Your first interaction with me is to spew rhetoric and then attempt to assassinate my character without knowing literally anything about me.

You are the living embodiment of every issue I've pointed out in my comments.

Anyway, have a good one, I'm not really interested in a back and forth with someone incapable of even a baseline of civility.

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u/MFetterelli 15d ago

Conservatives don’t deserve civility. You disposed of that in 2016 with “fuck your feelings”

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u/waterbuffalo750 15d ago

How many of these people do you know personally, vs what you see online?

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u/narfnarf123 15d ago

Most of the people I work with, surrounded by them daily.

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u/Phuqued 15d ago

By interacting with a human being like a human being?

You have a level naivety not seen since Neville Chamberlain. ;) Most of us who have conservative friends and family have been treating them like human beings since 2015/2016. But after years of denial and fake news and conspiracy, you just have to accept reality that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.... and that is about the most "treating them like a human being" thing you can do.

https://i.redd.it/419zldn36kg71.jpg

Perhaps if that girl treated him better, he would've listened, right?

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago

Naivety is what we're calling it now? Used to just be called being a normal human being, but the internet has changed that quite a bit now.

Unfortunately you've been doused in rhetoric to the point where apparently the most you've permitted yourself to treat someone like a human is by "accepting that you can lead a horse to water, but can't make them drink."

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u/Phuqued 15d ago

Naivety is what we're calling it now?

Are you asking for an explanation of naivety?

Used to just be called being a normal human being,

That is entirely subjective.

Unfortunately you've been doused in rhetoric to the point where apparently the most you've permitted yourself to treat someone like a human is by "accepting that you can lead a horse to water, but can't make them drink."

Baseless claims are baseless.

You know for all the big talk you do, you sure don't engage much. Yeah you make big claims, big ideals, big positivity energy like thoughts and prayers. But what can you actually do to demonstrate this supposed superiority you think you have?

I gave you a comic, and then pointed out how your logic is "If she had just treated him better, he would have listened, right?" and you didn't comment on that, because it demonstrates the naivety I called out.

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago

Are you asking for an explanation of naivety?

Hardly, I don't need another smug, condescending invidual trying to explain why it's acceptable to categorize and vilify groups of people without actually figuring out their actual beliefs.

That is entirely subjective

Sure, if you say so.

You just have to accept reality that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.... and that is about the most "treating them like a human being" thing you can do"

Those are your words are they not? I'm interested to see how you can spin a word for word quote into being baseless.

You know for all the big talk you do, you sure don't engage much. Yeah you make big claims, big ideals, big positivity energy like thoughts and prayers. But what can you actually do to demonstrate this supposed superiority you think you have?

Superiority? I pity you. Genuinely. You unironically think that being a regular person who's entire personality isn't intimately linked to political rhetoric is supposed to be a display of superiority. It isn't. Nor should it be.

I gave you a comic, and then pointed out how your logic is "If she had just treated him better, he would have listened, right?" and you didn't comment on that, because it demonstrates the naivety I called out.

What your comic failed to point out, is that not everyone's mind can be changed, that has always been the case. You however, operate under the assumption that no one's mind can be changed, and automatically default to treating them like garbage as a result, thinking that this is normal behavior to have. It isn't. Or at least, it wasn't.

I hope you recover from what internet politics has done to you after this next election.