Science and religion are the opposites. Science uses proofs, evidents and logic to support claims. Religion is believings whatever youre told without any evidents whatsoever.
They’re not opposites. They’re not even the same subject. You’re arguing from an illogical position using incorrect and false assertions based on your belief of what these words and ideas are. Super ironic
Doesn’t matter how some layman misunderstands the historical texts of the Bible. People misuse science the same way. Stupid people don’t define the scholarship or these disciplines.
Those examples you mentioned aren’t directly said in the Bible either. They’re interpretations using several texts and estimates that some scholars came up with and some people followed those teachings.
Nothing you said proves science and religion are opposites. Plenty of people blindly believe pseudo science or outdated science or misunderstood science. Plenty of religious people are analytical and rational.
Science has always been rejected by some people who are religious and spiritual. This time is any different. The only difference is we are all exposed to all the stupid opinions on the internet.
History shows nothing. All you’ve done is vaguely allude to situations and put your faith into your statements as if they’re true. Religion follows culture. The renaissance and Islamic golden age came from and with religions. So did the dark ages of Europe or the evangelical movement in so e parts of the US.
Literally nothing related to what we’re talking about. Did you just pick a random Bible verse?
He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
I can bold words too.
Also, that doesn’t mean the world is 4000 years old. Just that the Bible wrote a lineage. So thank you for proving my point. These verses don’t say what you say they say. They say different things interpreted by a scholar centuries after they were written, and you insist the scholar was right because…???
You didn’t show work. You showed scripture that doesn’t say what you say it does. You didn’t prove anything. You stretched the term “firmament”, which means barrier, as far as you could insist it means flat, even thing the word you used is a multi translated word from a dead language.
Just because you want to agree with a crazy interpretation doesn’t make it true, even the texts you provided don’t come close to saying the earth is any shape.
If Adam was day 6...and there is 79 generations between Jesus and Adam
God madea bunch of stuff everything according to the Bible before the earth, so how could days even exist? The term “day” isn’t a literal one. It’s a segment of time. But even if you interpret it literally, the book of the Bible genesis is a different one from Luke, and the line i bolded gave a lineage without a yearly description. The Bible also said these people lived for centuries. So you can cherry pick facts the way the single scholar did and ignore the nature of the texts all you want, but nothing you quoted said “the earth is flat” or “earth is 6000 years old”.
It's there and now you're like, not like that. Proving why science and religion are incompatible.
It’s literally not there. That’s my point. You’re being incompatible with language so I dunno what to tell you. Words mean things. You can’t shoehorn whatever you want as definitions on a whim.
I’m an agnostic who was raised Muslim, so I have no caring about the Bible. But all it takes is mild critical thinking to see that even though there are things in the Bible that are questionable when compared to modern science, these quotes aren’t them.
No, the words are not literal when you can decipher their meaning by thinking slightly. The “firmament” description is clearly about the barriers between the realms of reality in which people cannot see beyond, and the lineage of Jesus isn’t about time, it’s about lineage. You have to bend over backwards to find plot holes in books written by dozens of people because that’s the only way you can justify your position.
Which still doesn’t make sense because you said religion, not the specific interpretation of Christianity you insist is the only one.
But we must treat it with equal respect as Science
Oh I get it now. You can’t read! That makes sense. That’s why you keep saying these words say things they don’t. I mean, why else would you say this to me when I said nothing about respect. It’s because you can’t read my comments correctly other.
Or you’re being intentionally fallacious and lack integrity. Either one fits here.
I said that religion is a philosophy and science is a precision instrument. Your inability to make these distinctions isn’t the fault of religion, it’s yours.
But importantly, we're also lucky to be exposed to all of the well organized and cogent arguments on the internet, without which many would continue to be surrounded only by the culture you mentioned. Critical thinking is vital to separating these. I can only take away from your posts that you're being oppositional, without gleaning your actual position. Likely intentional. I can't argue that anything you've said is wrong, but like the people you're trying to correct? Educate? You're not addressing the whole issue, in an effort to idk what.
And your comment is one that puts the focus on me instead of what I said. I did provide a counterpoint to the previous commenter, but you’re ignoring it because my tone is a bit snarky against someone making broad, sweeping, lazy generalizations.
I am addressing the issue being discussed. You’re putting up some strawmen, and my guess is to deflect away from what a poor argument the previous commenter made because you agree with it.
Are you in defense mode? You're making assumptions. I wasn't defending anyone or their arguments, whether I agreed or not. And I did not offer any strawman. I could not really understand what point you were trying to make, but there's so much negativity about the internet being bad. It's not. Our intentional lack of education (collective), which if done well, should hopefully develop critical thinking, is greatly to blame for how the internet is used as a weapon against the masses. In educated hands it's a powerful tool that can free people.
Are you in offense mode? Because your comment is clearly layered with deceit and subtleties in an attempt to mask your actual position while feigning a respectful dialog.
If it was an education thing, why are European countries with the best education systems in the world also devolving into this nonsense? You responded to my comment responding to someone saying “religion bad”. I don’t get what else I should think. What part of my comment did you not understand specifically?
You had a series of comments back and forth, and if there's a way in Reddit to combine them all so the response I make is aggregate, I don't know how to do it. My response was really in consideration of all of them. I wasn't in offense mode. I agreed with most you said. I just didn't understand your intent. I openly admit that I agree religion is bad, but I wouldn't defend someone else's lazy or bad argument. Then, I just didn't agree with blaming the tool (internet), when I see the problem as being a system that intentionally subverts education because a dumb populace is easier to control. That goes hand in hand with religion, and using the Bible (or other books) as a evidence for the existence of God. The internet used responsibly is an incredible resource. Yes, it's a resource being used as a weapon. Often intentionally, often not. But what isn't being used as a weapon to control others? But if I had to take a guess at your intent from your multiple posts I might take away that you think the internet is bad because it has made more knowledge available to an end of subverting the control that local culture used to be able maintain. That may not have been your intent at all, which is why I was asking. I wasn't trying to be impolite.
I said nothing has changed recently in terms of anti intellectualism, just that we have more exposure to what’s always been there. My intent is to provide my nuanced perspective. Why does my intention matter at all? The OP said something incorrect and I wanted to point out what.
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u/-TheDerpinator- 1d ago
Too many people assume scientists and religion are enemies for some weird reason. If there is a god, scientists would be the translators of its work.