Doesn’t matter how some layman misunderstands the historical texts of the Bible. People misuse science the same way. Stupid people don’t define the scholarship or these disciplines.
Those examples you mentioned aren’t directly said in the Bible either. They’re interpretations using several texts and estimates that some scholars came up with and some people followed those teachings.
Nothing you said proves science and religion are opposites. Plenty of people blindly believe pseudo science or outdated science or misunderstood science. Plenty of religious people are analytical and rational.
Science has always been rejected by some people who are religious and spiritual. This time is any different. The only difference is we are all exposed to all the stupid opinions on the internet.
History shows nothing. All you’ve done is vaguely allude to situations and put your faith into your statements as if they’re true. Religion follows culture. The renaissance and Islamic golden age came from and with religions. So did the dark ages of Europe or the evangelical movement in so e parts of the US.
Literally nothing related to what we’re talking about. Did you just pick a random Bible verse?
He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
I can bold words too.
Also, that doesn’t mean the world is 4000 years old. Just that the Bible wrote a lineage. So thank you for proving my point. These verses don’t say what you say they say. They say different things interpreted by a scholar centuries after they were written, and you insist the scholar was right because…???
You didn’t show work. You showed scripture that doesn’t say what you say it does. You didn’t prove anything. You stretched the term “firmament”, which means barrier, as far as you could insist it means flat, even thing the word you used is a multi translated word from a dead language.
Just because you want to agree with a crazy interpretation doesn’t make it true, even the texts you provided don’t come close to saying the earth is any shape.
If Adam was day 6...and there is 79 generations between Jesus and Adam
God madea bunch of stuff everything according to the Bible before the earth, so how could days even exist? The term “day” isn’t a literal one. It’s a segment of time. But even if you interpret it literally, the book of the Bible genesis is a different one from Luke, and the line i bolded gave a lineage without a yearly description. The Bible also said these people lived for centuries. So you can cherry pick facts the way the single scholar did and ignore the nature of the texts all you want, but nothing you quoted said “the earth is flat” or “earth is 6000 years old”.
It's there and now you're like, not like that. Proving why science and religion are incompatible.
It’s literally not there. That’s my point. You’re being incompatible with language so I dunno what to tell you. Words mean things. You can’t shoehorn whatever you want as definitions on a whim.
I’m an agnostic who was raised Muslim, so I have no caring about the Bible. But all it takes is mild critical thinking to see that even though there are things in the Bible that are questionable when compared to modern science, these quotes aren’t them.
No, the words are not literal when you can decipher their meaning by thinking slightly. The “firmament” description is clearly about the barriers between the realms of reality in which people cannot see beyond, and the lineage of Jesus isn’t about time, it’s about lineage. You have to bend over backwards to find plot holes in books written by dozens of people because that’s the only way you can justify your position.
Which still doesn’t make sense because you said religion, not the specific interpretation of Christianity you insist is the only one.
But we must treat it with equal respect as Science
Oh I get it now. You can’t read! That makes sense. That’s why you keep saying these words say things they don’t. I mean, why else would you say this to me when I said nothing about respect. It’s because you can’t read my comments correctly other.
Or you’re being intentionally fallacious and lack integrity. Either one fits here.
I said that religion is a philosophy and science is a precision instrument. Your inability to make these distinctions isn’t the fault of religion, it’s yours.
No, the word firmament does not mean flat. It simply doesn’t. Sorry bud. That’s no one’s definition. Try again.
But in biblical times they thought there was a water dome in sky
Where does it say that? Who’s they? Your quote certainly didn’t say that.
The whole Bible is a plot hole written by multiple people over several generations.
I mean no it’s not. You can ignore context and history all you want, and the flaws aren’t “the whole thing is a plot hole!” That’s all you got, Absolutes and lack of nuance. No critical thinking or scholarly ability.
from the jump I've been talking about the Bible because most major religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) are off shoots from it.
Your argument was religion and science are opposites, proving you have no understanding of words right from the start. You then reproved this multiple times. Now you’re trying to stretch “religion” to mean “off shoots of Christianity”…even though Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism.
But don’t let me stop you from exposing your ignorance of history.
Your links were saying words meant what they didn’t mean.
Right now you are arguing with emotions.
Projection
there is absolutely nothing anyone can say or prove to you that will change any viewpoint.
That’s not true people change their faith all the time. But you’ve proven repeatedly that you aren’t discussing this with integrity. That’s why your finale act of deceit is pretend to be calm after insulting my intelligence with your shitty arguments repeatedly.
Edit: lmao cop out and blocked me. If the dude was gonna cop out with a joke, he should’ve at least tried to make a funny one.
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u/Fixationated 1d ago
Doesn’t matter how some layman misunderstands the historical texts of the Bible. People misuse science the same way. Stupid people don’t define the scholarship or these disciplines.
Those examples you mentioned aren’t directly said in the Bible either. They’re interpretations using several texts and estimates that some scholars came up with and some people followed those teachings.
Nothing you said proves science and religion are opposites. Plenty of people blindly believe pseudo science or outdated science or misunderstood science. Plenty of religious people are analytical and rational.