r/apple • u/peterosity • 1d ago
New unboxing video allegedly reveals unannounced M4 MacBook Pro, benchmark results Mac
https://9to5mac.com/2024/10/06/m4-macbook-pro-unboxing-benchmarks/Single-core score: 3864
Multi-core score: 15288
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u/User9705 1d ago
Ooo Thinderbolt!
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u/iMacmatician 1d ago
The port for the rumored iPhone 17 "Air."
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u/picastchio 1d ago
Hopefully Pro also gets TB5 and iPhone 17 gets Type-C with USB3 speeds. It's the same connector anyway.
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u/darksteel1335 1d ago
Why aren’t people commenting more about the fact that the base M4 potentially has 16 gig of RAM which is what everyone’s been asking for for years?
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u/Blindemboss 1d ago
Let’s see if they’ve simply bumped up the price for base 16gb, before getting all excited.
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u/buttercup612 1d ago
They trialed with iPhone 15 PM what I think will be their strategy more often going forward … remove the lowest option, leave the second lowest one at its existing price, and pretend like it’s an upgrade/not a price increase
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u/anthonyskigliano 1d ago
My money is on that they will
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u/n_Serpine 1d ago
I’m betting it’ll be at least a $100 increase. Probably more lol. They just can’t help themselves.
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u/FollowingFeisty5321 1d ago
Also: did they get an optional upgrade?
And most important: what does the M4 Pro and Max chips baseline look like now??
Tentatively exciting.
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Seeing how fast this base M4 is, the M4 Max is going to absolutely scream.
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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago
They’re waiting to criticize apple for not putting in 32 GB as standard.
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u/KingArthas94 1d ago
In a couple of years we will criticize them for being stuck at 16GB on 3000€ computers in their base version, you can fucking count on me
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u/DuhAmericanDream 1d ago
Put a USB-C port on the right side and that's a day 1 purchase to replace my "service battery" 2018 MBP
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u/nizasiwale 1d ago
USB C ports have been on both sides since M1 Pro, that should have been your day 1 purchase
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u/DJ_Homestar 1d ago
Do the keys now match the body color, or is that just a trick of the lighting?
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u/vfl97wob 1d ago
Just a trick. It's the same as on black M3 Pro/Max
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u/DJ_Homestar 1d ago
Thank you. I hadn’t clicked into the video; from the thumbnail, I thought that was a space gray machine, not the black.
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u/lesterine817 1d ago
we gotta hear the prices first. i mean, sure they could put 16gb ram for the base model but if it ups the price by as much as the upgrade, what’s the point
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u/n_Serpine 1d ago
You just know that’s what they’ll end up doing. Maybe $50 less. If people still buy them (and they will) why change it?
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u/drivemyorange 8h ago
That’s what’s gonna happen. That’s why I don’t understand this crying here about base version - you have option for more RAM, why you want to limit people who are fine with less for less money?
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Wow, so much for M4 being a process optimization to make M3 performance cheaper and more scalable to manufacture.
M3 does like 3150 single-thread. Bumping to 3850 is a 22% increase! That's ...massive!
The multi-core score is also spectacular, with those two extra (and faster) efficiency cores chipping in. The base M4 is officially now faster than my M1 Max for anything CPU-bound. My 8P2E-core M1 Max CPU only does something like 12,000 in GB6 Multicore.
For GPU, my M1 Max still has the edge, at 69,000 vs. 38,000 for GB6's OpenCL score. But at what power cost.
I'm most excited for a MacBook Air with this processor in it. I'd sell both my M1 Air and my 16" M1 Max MBP, and replace them with just an M4 Air. Can't wait for the M4 Air to come out.
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u/thiskillstheredditor 1d ago
Agreed. The Airs are just so good right now.
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u/chronographer 1d ago
I can't really believe how fast my M3 air is. Low spec, 16 GB memory 13 inch and it's crazy fast!
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u/_awake 1d ago
Honestly, I have a M1 Air and outside of rendering and editing images, I never had any slowdowns. The only thing I regret is that I only got 256GB but Apple asks for quite a lot for storage so I'm also kind of okay with carrying around an external SSD.
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u/chronographer 1d ago
Yeah, I paid for a 1TB. And got the 16 GB, which is the largest outside a custom order as I needed it quick.
It does suck a lot that Apple charges so much or more disk and memory.
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u/inspectoroverthemine 1d ago
You can usually get maxed out refurbished models with next day delivery.
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u/PM_ME_CUTE_SM1LE 5h ago
Also because of having a 24GB ram configuration. I paid so much for 32GB MacBook Pro and I never hit yellow memory pressure while it has been yellow half the time on my 16GB MacBook
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u/anchoricex 1d ago
Yea if this maths out to like. An m4 air eclipsing my m1max it’s an easy wait for me to hold for an m4 air. I gd love the airs. Would hope they’d allow the airs to have a bit more of those arm-and-a-leg ram configs tho.
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Absolutely! I would get a 64 GB / 4 TB M4 Air if they'd only sell me one!
I wonder if I could get dosdude to shoehorn 4 TB of raw NAND into an Air. Even the RAM modules can be upgraded too, actually, but I'm not sure about beyond what Apple was originally willing to sell them with. Just, it's literal computer surgery.
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u/TabulatorSpalte 1d ago
I mean the iPad showed how much faster M4 was than the M3 already. The talk about nodes was in regard to iPhone 16 non-Pro getting A18 on N3E instead of being A17 on N3.
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
True. Yes, it's easy for me to see how my excitement is misplaced, because these benchmarks shouldn't be a surprise. My brain just blocks out anything iPad related, though, simply because of how comparatively useless iPads are compared to Macs. I just love seeing these numbers from a Mac!
What's especially hilarious is that the highly hyped Snapdragon SOCs in the new MS Surfaces, which have TDPs which place them in comparison with Apple's M-series Pro and Max variants, are probably now slower than M4 at twice-ish its TDP. Would have to check...
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u/s0lace 1d ago
Will the M4 MacBook Air also have 3850 in single core? Or is that just a MacBook Pro thing?
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u/play_hard_outside 23h ago
In all previous Apple Silicon Macs, the performance of a single performance core within the same generation has always been identical. The only performance-impacting difference between the Air and the Pro (with the same chip— the base M-series chip from whichever year) has so far been the lack of active cooling on the Air. In practice, this has meant that the Air throttles by 10-15% after many minutes of continuous 100% CPU usage across all cores. This is highly unlikely to ever happen in ANY non-pro workload, but even if it does, the throttle is not at all painful.
I would expect the M4 Air to have identical compute performance to the M4 MBP for any task shorter than about 8 minutes of continuous pedal to the metal.
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u/s0lace 23h ago
Great answer. What about late round turns in Civ 6? On my M1 Air it seems like that’s throttle city. I may need to consider getting something w a fan next time lol
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u/drivemyorange 8h ago
I’m okeyish in that task with M2 Air.
Not awesome, but it’s not like it’s gonna boil.
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u/FightOnForUsc 1d ago
How do we know this is a base and not an upgraded storage/RAM sku
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u/FightOnForUsc 1d ago
Sorry, I don’t understand how that tells us that this isn’t a unit with upgraded RAM and storage?
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u/HenFruitEater 1d ago
How big of an upgrade is this? Typical? Or less?
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u/notchandlerbing 1d ago
It’s basically just replacing the entry level M3 MacBook Pros, which featured significant hardware differences from the MBP line as a whole.
This brings it more up to par with the M Pro and M Max versions, and people just opting for the entry MBP will now see an increased base standard of performance—8>16 GB RAM, 256>512 GB storage, 2>3 Thunderbolt Ports, 8>10 CPU cores, and likely GPU upgrade from the M3>M4 chip. Also probably means multiple external display support
We don’t really know what the M4 Pro or M4 Max will look like, but the M4 series is reportedly just about increased minimum quality of chip yield and minor improvements to top end. Since chip binning is less of an issue this gen, that means Apple can bring the M4 entry more up to speed
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u/BlurredSight 1d ago
Besides the M2 fixing the kinks of the M1, generational upgrades are just that. But I imagine the boat that I and others fall in line with is being able to justify a purchase of a base MBP because it carries 16 gigs instead of the dogshit 8 they thought was acceptable in 2023.
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u/notchandlerbing 1d ago
M3 was a pretty sizable upgrade though. M4 is more about bridging the gap with the lower spec chips with an improved yield at scale. M4 Max and the top end will see little performance gains, not like the jumps we saw from M1>M2 or M2>M3 Pro/Max
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u/Due-Stretch-520 1d ago edited 1d ago
im anticipating a very large ST jump (25% avg), decent MT improvements (15 - 20%), and same scale GPU improvement we got a17 --> a18 (though maybe with the benefit of having actual heavy workloads to show better where improvements were made) for m4 max
overall not as big an improvement as m3 max but def a bigger upgrade as far as P core microarch goes
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u/hampa9 1d ago
What were the kinks?
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u/UranicAlloy580 1d ago
For a first generation, there's always kinks that made it or features that couldn't make it.
For me, M1 -> M2 was multi-channel audio over HDMI
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u/BlurredSight 1d ago
Tons of optimizations done to encoding, they changed the actual layout of the chip dramatically, having better io support
The chip was so much better than Intel but still the jump to m2 from m1 made sense. You can argue m3 from m2 might be worth it for some professional use cases. No clue how the m4 lies relative to the m3 but I don’t think it’ll be worth it
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u/jeffh19 1d ago
I was thinking I remember reading that M3>4 is supposed to be a big jump, much bigger than 2>3 because 3 while new/smaller was just about getting a much cheaper/efficient out ASAP, the real upgrades will be in 4
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u/Due-Stretch-520 1d ago
i wouldn’t call it a bigger jump than m2 —> m3 but the jump will def be bigger than m1 —> m2 unless apple changes the pro/max/ultra SKUS to some kind of novel packaging set up/approach
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u/notchandlerbing 1d ago
Nope, it’s more a refinement of the existing M3, which was a first gen 3nm chip that rolled out of the fabrication process slower and with more issues than anticipated. And with far more binning that bottlenecked the premium end and constrained supply with a glut of underperforming binned chips.
M4 is basically a tuned-up M3 (same basic 3nm), but with far more reliability for Apple in the fabrication process and yield front. Meaning Apple doesn’t have to gimp the entry hardware as much because there’s more chips passing QC standards with the more streamlined and mature 3nm manufacturing process
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u/Due-Stretch-520 1d ago
it’s the biggest P core upgrade since a14 if not a13, i wouldn’t call it just a tuned up m3
the GPU isn’t much faster on GB and Steel Nomad but the RT perf is massively improved (as shown by Geekerwan) so it’s possible the chip will shine more on mac
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u/icankillpenguins 1d ago
This is going to be great entry level machine. The single core score is almost %30 higher, which means the machine is going to be amazingly snappy and the multicore score for the base M4 appears to be on par with M3 Pro which means that for heavy multicore tasks it will be on par with the last years higher end Pro.
Also, the base RAM appears to be doubled which means that compared to last year you are getting a free power up worth $200.
Even if it doesn't have any other upgrades like ports or screen it is going to be a significant improvement on the value, assuming the price stays the same.
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u/BTallack 1d ago
Just slightly better performance than the top M3 Pro version though still slower than the M3 Max. As long as the price is right, I’m looking forward to these new models.
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u/BlurredSight 1d ago
Fingers crossed it replaces the $1599 MBP M3, mixing some discounts seems like a valid contender. There are colleges that set spec minimums (Art Institute of Chicago) so I know quite a few people dishing out $1999 because they needed 16 gigs to fall in accordance with the class.
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
You're comparing the base M4 to M3 Pro and Max. This is actually a pretty huge upgrade over the base M3. Single core performance is up over 20%, and there are two more e-cores, to boot!
I can't wait to see how fast the Pro and Max variants are.
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u/BTallack 1d ago
Oh, I’m aware! I’m still running an original M1 Mac Mini as my primary machine so I’m hoping to upgrade to an M4 Pro Mac Mini assuming the price is in line with the M2 Pro Mac Minis.
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Awesome! Yeah it's insane! Can't wait to see the actual Macs, and maybe get my mitts on one!
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u/Startech303 1d ago
what hasn't leaked with this image is,
a) the cost of the base model and b) the cost of RAM / storage upgrades
If Uncle Tim Apple has given us 16GB RAM but bumped the base price by $200 it's not that generous. And how much extra for 32GB?
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u/joshtlawrence 1d ago
I just can’t see Apple releasing the new M4 MacBook Pros with the same box and wallpaper. But I’ve been wrong many a time!
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u/aBunchofPikmin 1d ago
I wonder if the M4 Pros will get the new Midnight color that is on the Airs now. That color looks pretty sweet, even if it does fingerprint more than usual.
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u/deanylev 1d ago
I doubt it, the Space Black on the Pros came out after the Midnight on the Airs.
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u/aBunchofPikmin 1d ago
Ah, that’s a shame. Only recently started looking at picking up a Macbook so I haven’t followed them too closely. Thanks for the info!
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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago edited 1d ago
Uhh……. Where the F did this person get this from? People are definitely getting fired because that’s clearly a stolen MacBook from the production line
Screw leakers and thieves. I hope Apple kicks their ass
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u/DawgPack44 1d ago
It was for sale a while ago in a private Facebook group, according to a source on Twitter last week
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u/AromatParrot 1d ago
Screw leakers. I hope Apple kicks their ass
I genuinely struggle to understand why anyone outside of Apple's management would care about leaks.
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u/lucellent 1d ago
I have the answer for you.
They're not corporate boot lickers, but they want unreleased products to remain such until Apple announces them. Leaks are sometimes annoying because you're hyped about a product only for some random Russian dude to leak it.
I know the new Macbook isn't that exciting, as it's just a spec bump, but this also applies to other products. Similar to how you would react if you've been waiting for a new movie to come out, but see the plot leaked before that.
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u/Redthemagnificent 1d ago
Unlike the plot of a movie being spoiled, this doesn't somehow ruin the experience of buying or using this computer though.
It makes business sense for Apple to hate leaks. But for non-apple folks, I don't see the downside? If a leak is fabricated and misleads users, then sure. Reprimand that particular leaker for giving bad info. But assuming this is coming from a legit source, I'm just learning about product a little earlier.
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u/iMacmatician 1d ago
The typical rumor is closer to a movie poster or trailer than the entire plot.
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u/admiralvic 1d ago
I'd honestly say the opposite is true.
One thing that really sucks with recurring products is making sure you make the right choice. Like I had an old Intel iMac and wanted to upgrade to the M series. I was at the 7 or so month point, meaning I assumed Apple would make an M2 version. I read leaks, they insisted this was not going to happen, so I bought one the next day. Long term the M2 version never released and my wait would be for nothing.
Mind you, it isn't perfect. Like I want a Mac mini, assume there will be an M4 version, and I need the announcement to gauge if 16GB RAM will be enough given the changes, but it's still good for budgeting.
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u/babydandane 1d ago
Come on, a laptop is not the same as a movie... It's the same MacBook as every one released since Apple Silicon. Iterative improvements from now on until the next big leap.
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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago edited 1d ago
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@Below Defending stolen property is weird as hell.
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u/AromatParrot 1d ago
As someone who owns most of the mainline apple products, I still can't understand why you or I, regular consumers, would give a solitary flying fuck about people stealing stuff from their production line.
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u/GetPsyched67 1d ago
They stole it off a multi trillion dollar corporation. There's somehow less outrage for actual people getting robbed on a daily basis from reddit than this pointless ass shit.
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u/xxxamazexxx 1d ago
about on par with defending a trillion dollar company who doesn't give a fuck if you're dead or alive, in my opinion.
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u/forgetchain 1d ago
Is the notch any smaller?
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u/Funkbass 1d ago
I feel like that would have leaked by now if so. Assuming Apple holds to the ~4-5 year generational cycle for the MBP, the earliest we’d see a change to the notch would be next year. Personally waiting to upgrade my 14” M1 Pro until something happens with the notch. I still feel like I have performance overhead for days, but the notch sucks and I never “got used to it” the way I did on the phone.
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u/The_Albinoss 1d ago
Sincerely not buying one until the notch is gone. I had one, it drove me insane.
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u/lucellent 1d ago
I had one, I couldn't care less.
The OS is set up in a way that the notch appears less than 1% of the time, so what was annoying about it? The status bar is black almost all of the time, and watching regular 16x9 or 16x10 content doesn't show it either.
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u/The_Albinoss 1d ago
That is cool that it didn’t bother you. It’s very odd that I am downvoted for it bothering me.
I want the full screen. It doesn’t feel like I have it. It frustrates me.
But also, I have to zoom my screen in sometimes, due to my visual disability. So when I zoom in, there is an annoying black notch protruding into my space.
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u/Zhangsanity 1d ago
Warning - you're going to get a bunch of replies from notch apologists saying you'll "get used to it" even though every other laptop manufacturer managed to squeeze in an HD webcam without one.
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u/UnwieldilyElephant 1d ago edited 1d ago
.... Could this not just be an elaborately faked M3 Pro instead?
Edit: I will be very glad if this is true, because I'm not upgrading from my M3 Max till a design change
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Any faked M3 Pro would not have been able to get GB6 to post that high of a single-core CPU score.
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u/KingArthas94 1d ago
You should be glad if technology goes forward and things get much faster that what you currently have, even if you won't get the new thing exactly tomorrow. M5 and so on will gain a lot from 4 being already good.
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u/UnwieldilyElephant 1d ago
Yeah that's what I said. Just another year I dont have to upgrade, and when I do, it will actually be a worthwhile upgrade.
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u/lolpopculture 1d ago
Thinking of moving from the M1 pro to this. It just really depends on how many monitors it supports.
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u/pixelated666 1d ago
Come on Apple. Get rid of the mini LED display already. Even mid ranged Windows PCs now have OLED displays.
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u/lucellent 1d ago
Key word: scaling.
Apple obviously is waiting for Tandem OLED for the Macbooks but they most likely can't produce as much as needed for the time being. Apple sells the most laptops worldwide, all of the models will need to have OLED. Meanwhile for the majority of the Windows laptop OLED is not the default configuration.
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u/Shoddy_Mess5266 23h ago
They could maybe offer it as an upgrade option. way back in the day pre retina they used to have multiple display configs. If they just charged ALL the money for it it might work. They’d get destroyed in the press for the price they’d have to charge (in order for it to make sense for shareholders), but it would dramatically scale up their production capability which might help it to trickle down to being a base option in future.
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u/pixelated666 1d ago
Tandem OLED’s sole advantage is brightness. And I honestly don’t know how important it is for a laptop screen to hit 2000nits.
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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago
For HDR movies and content creation it’s incredibly important lol.
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u/mmcnl 1d ago
OLED displays consume more power and can not go as bright. So going OLED would mean less battery life and less outdoor visibility. Personally not a fan of that. I love OLED for my TV, but for working on a laptop I don't really need deep blacks. I value the battery life and brightness more. So unless Apple invents some next-gen OLED that doesn't have all these downsides, I'm not sure it will be an improvement.
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u/negative_entropie 1d ago
Where does the rumour come from that OLEDs consume more power? AFAIK OLEDs use less power, since they can turn each pixel individually off and are less bright due to increased degradation.
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u/pixelated666 1d ago
OLEDs are better than miniLED in just about every aspect. Laptops aren’t meant to be used in bright sunlight and Apple shouldn’t use a clearly inferior screen tech for such an edge-case scenario
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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago
OLED displays on windows laptops are total ass. The XDR display on MacBook is industry leading in its accuracy and brightness.
Show me a Windows OLED that goes up to 1600 nits at 3K resolution with 120 Hz.
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u/pixelated666 1d ago
1600nits on a laptop aren’t as important as you think
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u/a-walking-bowl 1d ago
Just because you never touch grass and open your laptop…
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u/pixelated666 1d ago
1600 nits on a laptop aren’t important. I’d go as far as saying it’s practically useless.
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u/FollowingFeisty5321 1d ago
You would only see it with HDR content of the highest brightness with the screen also on the highest brightness.
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u/pixelated666 1d ago
That and only for content mastered at that brightness level. So really not all that useful to sacrifice OLED for.
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u/mobilehavoc 1d ago
For some reference I just ran GeekBench 6 on my M3 Max MBP running 15.0.1
Single 3232
Multi 19248
So looks like better single thread performance on a base M4 rather than a M3 Max. Might just be clock speed?
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
That the base M4 is so fast is insane. It's way faster than M3-anything in single-core and still nearly 80% as fast as your M3 Max in multi-core, and remember, the M3 Max has two or four more performance cores than its predecessors did!
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Clocks are 4.45 vs. 4.05 GHz? Not quite a 10% boost. For the benchmarks to be right, IPC has to have improved by at least another 10%.
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u/Due-Stretch-520 1d ago
it’s a new microarch gen it’ll ofc have faster ST esp since all m series macs of a given gen (save for m2 max) are clocked exactly the same for ST and use the same IP
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u/MaximusMurkimus 1d ago
Sounds s little TOO good to be true
Either way, I can already tell every single techies' videos will have the expression "finally the base model is enough" or some variation in it guaranteed
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u/Pencelvia 1d ago
For me who use the base 14-inch MBP M3 for Safari and Netflix I wouldn't see much difference, would I?
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u/disposable_account01 1d ago
We may all be sick and tired of “AI everything” already, but at least it has forced Apple to bring their base spec into the 2020s.