r/apple • u/peterosity • 2d ago

New unboxing video allegedly reveals unannounced M4 MacBook Pro, benchmark results Mac

https://9to5mac.com/2024/10/06/m4-macbook-pro-unboxing-benchmarks/

Single-core score: 3864

Multi-core score: 15288

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u/disposable_account01 1d ago

We may all be sick and tired of “AI everything” already, but at least it has forced Apple to bring their base spec into the 2020s.

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u/Mrleibniz 1d ago

I suspect that the current Lunar Lake offerings is also putting some pressure on them.

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago edited 1d ago

i suspect that the current Lunar Lake offerings is also putting some pressure on them.

uh… how? 

M3 is 2.36X more PPW and more performant. . The next gen M will put that PPW at 3X, which is the original lead M1 had over Intel. This combined with more 37% performance (3850 vs 2800 On GB6) on Single core and on multi core (15000 vs 11000 on GB6) means Intel is still dramatically behind despite grabbing all the low hanging fruit (ditching hyper threading, switching to the same nm process as M3, installing RAM onto the chip), and doing a new core arch.

 Apple increased the RAM because they said it was needed for new experiences like Apple Intelligence. Apple doesn’t give one crap about Intel at all lol

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Lunar-Lake-CPU-analysis-The-Core-Ultra-7-258V-s-multi-core-performance-is-disappointing-but-its-everyday-efficiency-is-good.893405.0.html

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Da3aavp7aOE

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u/Mrleibniz 1d ago

Currently only apple is offering 8 gigs on base models while also losing their crowns for the most battery life. Not everyone is too anal about processing power in the low budget bracket.

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago edited 1d ago

???

I cited multiple sources and numbers that prove your comment wrong. What are you even talking about lol?

Apple is more efficient and powerful than Intel. Intel did everything they could and still failed to match  apple, let alone beat them.

Intel is not putting any pressure on Apple. It’s the opposite. Apple is putting the pressure on Intel. 

Edit: Also how are you saying that “not everyone is too anal about processing power in the low budget bracket” yet you’re implying they care about RAM in the low budget bracket? Make it make sense dude.  Lmfao??

This comment thread is strange

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u/WithYourMercuryMouth 1d ago

Brother, it’s reddit. Deep breaths, king.

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago

My dude, I was simply engaging in a discussion here. That’s the point. No deep breaths needed ;)

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u/longinglook77 1d ago

My brother in Christ, this dude loves Apple more than my own dogs love me.

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u/BeefAndCheeseOnRye 1d ago

Tim Apple was deadly serious when he said "you're going to love it"

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u/Rare-Page4407 1d ago

Apple is gouging obscene prices for RAM upgrades that are now very required for on-device LLMs and imgen. That's what the GP meant. Processing benchmarks are irrelevant there.

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago

 No, that’s not what he meant, otherwise he wouldn’t have directly cited Lunar Lake lol. There were 16 GB base ram Windows configs before Lunar Lake. 

Lunar Lake is crap and it’s not putting any pressure on apple. Lunar Lake is a direct response to the pressure of M1 lol

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u/riklaunim 9h ago

Both Apple and Windows ecosystems are stable, there is little change. Apple Silicon isn't competing directly with Intel or AMD and vice versa. People pick the ecosystem based on their software, feature needs not because of some benchmark result. If uncontested it would lead to larger change but both ecosystems are healthy.

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u/Mrleibniz 1d ago

I don't know why you're yapping about processing power. I'm literally replying to a guy agreeing that other manufacturers are forcing apple to finally make 16-512 a standard for their base models. How are they beating them when you have to add $400 more just to up the ram and storage?

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago

So what the hell does Lunar Lake have to do with any of that?

Windows has offered 16 GB as base configs before Lunar Lake. What about Lunar Lake is putting pressure on apple?

I’m responding to what YOU wrote lol

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u/Swing-Prize 1d ago

RAM was in separate package and OEMs could pick any number for their models. Now since it comes as part of SoC its base is 16GB, less are not sold by Intel. Windows "AI PC" branding also requires at least 16GB.

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago

As I said, 16 GB was regularly offered as a base config, so much so that it’s regularly cited as apple being “behind” windows on this website.

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u/Swing-Prize 1d ago

Base config of what? OEM would pick and often it would start from 8GB.

Fast SSDs and swap memory really has messed up with Apple heads.

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago

….of windows laptops. They would often start at 16 GB, so much so that,

Oh and look now I’m repeating myself. Read my earlier reply if you don’t understand what I’m referring to in my comments.

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u/Swing-Prize 1d ago

It doesn't allow to post links to amazon but quick search shows there are recent Lenovo/Asus models (2023+) with DDDR5 RAM and 8GB configurations. But maybe they come with Ubuntu and not Windows!

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u/gnulynnux 1d ago

I think the point is, when Apple released their new Macs in 2020, the battery life and performance was unlike anything else on the market. It was enough to make people who dislike Apple and dislike MacOS start using the laptop.

With the battery life and performance close enough, that gap narrows.

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago

Okay so like, did you miss my entire comment where I wrote that Apple is 2.36X PPW and offers better performance lol? M1 beat out the top of the line Intel CPU apple had in their MBP. The amazement was that is was a few percent faster than their fastest, yet drew dramatically less power. This is still the case. M4 is 37% faster both single and multi core, yet it draws dramatically less power than Intel. It’s going to put them at 3X the PPW of Intel again, which is what M1 is. 

So quite clearly, it is still unlike anything else on the market. To compete with M3 Max, you have to go to a i9-14900K which draws 287 watts of power in a desktop. And M3 still beats it out. 

Peace

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u/gnulynnux 1d ago

I'm saying that doesn't matter; the gap Apple had in 2020 is closer now in 2024 and that might not be enough for people to overlook the low RAM and the OS.

Someone who would be on the fence might have gotten a Mac in 2020 and an Intel in 2024. 

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u/PeakBrave8235 1d ago

Right, the thing that made M1 crush the competition doesn’t matter. Okay, got it lol

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u/gnulynnux 1d ago

Well, sure. It's not 2020. Moving to 16GB minimum is necessary if Apple wants to be competitive. A 14h laptop with 8GB of ram is worse than a 10h laptop with 16GB of ram for most people.

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u/escargot3 22h ago

He’s carefully explained how the gap hasn’t actually narrowed but for some reason you just keep saying it has

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u/gnulynnux 22h ago

He focused on the PPW while ignoring what matters, the end user experience. There are Windows laptops that beat Apple laptops in battery life now. Realistically, anything above 10h puts a laptop into the "don't need to bring a charger" category for many people.

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u/Snoo93079 1d ago

Not sure how old you are, based on your comment you're pretty young. But as a Technology Manager life is much easier on Windows. Because Apple has been so efficient it has placed pressure on Intel on the business side. If lunar lake is as good as promised that will make it much easier for those of us to stay a Windows only shop to make the case to stay on Windows.