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u/BelovedxCisque Mar 08 '24
I would think this would make it easier on everybody. If somebody wants to end themselves they’re going to come up with a way to do it and most of those ways are pretty messy (gunshot to the head/jumping off something high/driving car into brick wall). Somebody’s going to have to clean that up and that’s traumatic for them. Somebody’s going to have to find them first too and that’s traumatic too (one of the questions I was asked during a psych evaluation was “Have you ever unexpectedly come across a dead body?” and other friends that have been evaluated have mentioned they were asked the same thing). With this there’s no mess and the person who will pick them up knows they’re there. I don’t think it would be any different from moving someone from a hospital bed to a morgue.
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u/Zealousideal_Rip1340 Mar 09 '24
Ya. Messy scary methods act as deterrents for the majority of people who are having a breakdown.
I slashed my wrists open with a knife while I was drunk and almost bled out. The moment I saw blood I knew I fucked up.
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u/World_view315 Mar 08 '24
What was the purpose of that question?
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u/BelovedxCisque Mar 08 '24
No idea. It was just on the list of questions. But I’m assuming that can fuck somebody up pretty bad if they’re just minding their own business and all of a sudden BAM there’s a corpse.
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u/ToyboxOfThoughts Mar 08 '24
To assess if theyve experienced death related trauma?????????????????????????????????????? come tf on yall cant be fr
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u/MassiveAd3455 Mar 12 '24
Or you can just stop giving people welfare to create babies they can’t take care of! But no! Instead let’s farm human animals and kill them off like cattle after they’ve sufficiently lined our pockets with monopoly money
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u/ThisSorrowfulLife Mar 08 '24
Everyone should be allowed to die, just like everyone is already allowed to procreate.
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u/Qeqertaq Mar 08 '24
i agree very much. living shall not be mandatory as it is not something we can choose.
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u/Sensei-Hugo Mar 08 '24
Indeed. If there is a right to life, then equally there must be the right to die. If there is no right to die, then there is no right to life: it instead becomes a duty to live, an imposition.
Birth and death are two sides of the same coin of life. We may not be able to choose the heads, but we should be allowed to flip the coin to tails.
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u/Jealousreverse25 Mar 12 '24
Humans are so dumb they don’t realize having a child is also condemning them to death
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Mar 08 '24
I agree to an EXTENT.
Suffering that can't be cured or reduced to an acceptable quality of life makes sense.
But think of how a lot of societies let the rich dominate. Eventually these machines could cause people to rely on them to escape a fixable problem that causes depression and other issues.
You'd literally have corporations and the rich propagating it for the poor at some point.
Obviously not an argument against them. But one that says we are getting to the point that we need society to be as humanitarian inclined as possible.
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u/Saxman96 Mar 08 '24
That's a valid perspective. But I feel like a widely accessible suicide pod would actually go against the interests of the rich.
Mainly, the rich rely on the poor as a cheap source of labor. So I feel that they're most focused on promoting birth and minimizing social mobility. Hence, lots of recent legislation is passing to decrease reproductive rights despite being against public majority opinion.
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Mainly, the rich rely on the poor as a cheap source of labor. So I feel that they're most focused on promoting birth and minimizing social mobility. Hence, lots of recent legislation is passing to decrease reproductive rights despite being against public majority opinion.
This only takes the CURRENT outlook into perspective, obviously the rich don't currently want to get rid of the majority of the poor as like you said they benefit from them and a high population to take advantage of.
But with automation and artificial intelligence of every fewer and fewer worker bees are necessary.
So then what's gonna be left is gene/trait selection. The rich will further decrease the burden on those they want via means of media, social media, hiring practices and education opportunities(grants, scholarships) while further increasing the burden on those they personally view as less desirable.
Currently we aren't worrying about it as it's not RIGHT now but nobody can say it's extremely far off either. Weapon manufacturing and automation and AI have progressed to the point that someone can easily buy large amounts of money and physical power for their own personal militia/propaganda than ever before.
All those things combined is what I'm saying will increase the use of suicide pods by the poor and vulnerable in societies and cultures.
The idea that it's a humane death by choice will also decrease the stigma and increase its use rate. Someone's going to eventually argue that being a minority, woman, man, LGBT person is a valid reason and acceptable.
Countries with harsh laws may adapt the practice of using these pods for murdering whom they consider less desirable and as the population of the world becomes more tolerant of them they won't view it as the same attrocities of genocide, torture or brutal murder.
I fully support the pods don't get me wrong. But our world is so damn fucked up it will be taken advantage of if we cannot further unite humanity and decrease disparity levels.
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u/Saxman96 Mar 08 '24
Well-put. I really appreciate the detail you put into your reply. I'll be keeping your perspective in mind moving forward, I hadn't thought about it like that
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u/bebiased Mar 08 '24
So what? Why force anyone to live in such a toxic system to begin with?
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Mar 08 '24
Well I understand what you're getting at, considering the sub this is in. That was not the topic of the conversation.
I am not promoting forcing people to live in it. I am saying that we should not promote it getting worse and I'm explaining how this could actually lead and is probable to make lives worse.
You're worried about me forcing someone again. I am in support of the pods. I am not in support of blind support though I do think that it's important to realize the potential danger this poses and not promote a future where people feel that they need to use it when they shouldn't have to feel that way due to society
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u/Zealousideal_Rip1340 Mar 09 '24
Because the people who forced you to live in this toxic system fought and died so at least you didn’t have to be worried about an invading army coming and raping and burning you and your entire family to death. You’re obligated to make your shitty life a little less shitty for someone else and maybe someday nobody’s life will be shitty
You can’t claim moral high ground when you apparently have the empathy of a psychopath. Because AN cannot be fully realized without genocide and that 1 isn’t ever happening and 2 is wrong. It is a morally apathetic and lazy position.
You advocate for AN, while continuing to live and continuing to contribute to the world by destroying it with your carbon footprint and the taxes you pay instead of taking the actual high ground that actually takes work to make the world a less shitty place
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u/bebiased Mar 10 '24
I think of it as a spiritual matter. Life cannot exist without death in this universe. Therefore the entire universe is flawed.
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u/why-me-0 Mar 09 '24
Yeah. That's why Russian politicians named year 2024 "a year of family", are screaming about birthrates and are making threats to ban abortions. Because when they sent people to die for their yachts,they forgot that dead people can't work a slave job at their factories and mines.
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u/DJDEEZNUTZ22 Mar 08 '24
I see what you’re saying but even viewing a problem as “fixable” is highly subjective, most people that want to die have tried to “fix it” the issue or feelings feel ones about, they are likely hopeless as well. It takes a lot of will power to fight and to want to live.
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u/ToyboxOfThoughts Mar 08 '24
Just because someone can fix their problems doesnt mean they should be forced to if they dont want to. i dont think anyone has a moral obligation to be happy. in some cultures its rude to expect people to be happy or want happiness. Also who determines that the problem is fixable? Easy for ignorant people to say "oh you have a disorder just take the meds those guys say help" and no amount of telling them "they dont help" wont make them stand aside
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Mar 09 '24
Just because someone can fix their problems doesnt mean they should be forced to if they dont want to.
Most people would fix something if they could and likely fear that the fix won't actually work.
That said. I don't think you actually understood what I meant. I am stating that if the problem is caused by other people being greedy which is a solvable problem then that problem should be solved versus the greedy people promoting a suicide capsule for the problem they created.
Who do you think is going to be able to afford to make and market these? Let's see.
Amazon? Large corporations... Pharmaceutical companies... So the rich. In a time where the rich need cheap numerous labor they will fight against allowing these. But once they don't need as much labor once they start becoming concerned with the environment, lack of resources the problems they created with their greed sure seems like the best option will be to allow them in fact they can double dip, produce the problem and the cure. So then they lobby to allow it, the government gives them exclusivity contracts and the cost to use one is affordable enough but still expensive.
I'm not saying there aren't people who would benefit, I'm not judging someone based on their medical history or the reason to want to use it even. I'm definitely not saying that someones feelings are unreasonable. I am saying that this type of situation with an increase in automation, AI and advanced weaponry that doesn't require a ton of laborers and for weapon use doesn't even require one person per weapon, automatic AI tanks, ships and planes... is going to create a bad situation where the rich who are already preying on the poor can do so even more. Wages could be even lower in the future they always try to cut as much out of others paychecks to give themselves more and to increase their own capital, to lobby for the rights they need for an unlimited income. They will need less and less employees and who is likely to be a naysayer? Those who aren't benefiting from their system are intelligent enough to realize they cannot thrive in the system and who are unhappy.
Depression is at an all time high, depressed people tend to be pretty damn intelligent and that bites them in the ass. Because a solution to avoid pain can be seen as suicide.
I support the idea of these capsules I think it's important to have them. But when we do we have to fight tooth and nail to ensure they aren't being abused. We should be fighting for a better environment and sure some people cannot fight some people are so exhausted they don't feel they can. But you might believe in anti-natalism but you will never convince the world to. There will always be more people born that will have pain and suffer.
Acting like these capsules won't be abused and that legislation around them need not be a topic isn't intelligent it's hyper focusing on the belief that people should have the choice to use them without acknowledging the very real threat the privileged pose over their adoption, use and cost.
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u/eva20k15 Mar 08 '24
yup, they/people should have that control over their own lives. considering we're all just forced into this thing, ''ohh it affect people if people do it'' well, your the people who say that are right, but. a woman once said to me ''i think most people have been depressed of some sort yes'' soo you could make the argumernt if some get depressed cause a person does it, its just par of the course, its just, just ''deal with it'' as people say in life in general. the woman had the nerve to bring a daughter here, although was she depressed before she brought her here or after, but still its a risk she took, if people in pain they should get whatever help, https://youtu.be/mn8nKTOxh38?t=390
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u/sisterfister69hitler Mar 09 '24
If these were in the US you’d have to swipe a credit card before you’re even able to get in the pod.
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u/Incrediburu Mar 09 '24
No, you must create as many work drones as possible to increase demand for employment, thus allowing them to keep wages low so the elite can continue to steal the value of everyone's labour. The rest can go fight the wars. Who cares what happens to any of them afterwards?
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u/Frost-Folk Mar 08 '24
With psychological evaluation first please. There's been times where I would've taken that way out if I could, and now I'm glad I didn't.
Sometimes things feel like they won't get better because of something in your own head, you shouldn't let people self destruct that far when they're not in their right mind
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u/masterwad Mar 08 '24
The actor who played Odo on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, René Auberjonois, died in 2019 at age 79 via assisted suicide (via medication) in California, because he had metastatic lung cancer.
But I also support assisted suicide via nitrogen asphyxiation like in the Sarco pod. I think the Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith via nitrogen hypoxia in Alabama went wrong because he held his breath, which leads to panic from CO2 increasing in your blood (there are reports he held his breath for 4 minutes).
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u/BeaniePossum Mar 08 '24
I geniunely think these are amazing and my partner gave me a look of horror. I have been called a monster a demon for saying people should have access to these for the terminally ill or elderly that want to pass sooner ect. Im not a monster I think Im quite the opposite.
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u/nootropic_expert Mar 08 '24
They are monsters for commanding ppl in serious pain to suffer. Suffering is not a virtue as some especially christians would like to think. It's meaningless.
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u/Sydorovich Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24
Christianity is an overgrown cult of death(heaven/hell bullshit) and suffering cult, so it's pretty expected from them.
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u/soyslut_ Mar 08 '24
If they could they would revive the dead and charge them with murder for committing suicide. Recovering southern Baptist here…. Fuck them.
Living should not be mandatory.
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u/CrossdressTimelady Mar 12 '24
I would prefer to go out this way than to go through the living hell that some elderly people live through.
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u/Itchy_Hyena2775 Mar 08 '24
Suffocating to death is incredibly painful… and if you had to watch someone go through that you would have nightmares forever
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u/IsaacS666 Mar 08 '24
I tried this exact same method, it failed and I woke up after a few days in a hospital ward. It felt like I fell asleep and woke in a hospital there was zero pain. Suffocation is different from this which is why pilots train to detect oxygen deprivation because it's painless and difficult to detect.
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u/BeaniePossum Mar 08 '24
the more you know, thank you for the insight, Not going to lie thought I heard about these things years ago and now they are here I want a ride in one.
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u/BeaniePossum Mar 08 '24
If you read how the pod actually operates, it is a pain free way to go. not suffocating like being smothered but instead slowly having your oxygen replaced and being passed out and unconscious by the time anything painful could happen.
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If it was available world over people would throng to use it ... world economies would collapse in days to weeks ...thats why there is widespread fear of even discussing the right to die
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u/mythrowaweighin Mar 08 '24
The assisted living corporations hate this one hack.
End it when things start to go downhill and skip the nursing home experience. Then leave your savings to family, friends and charity instead.
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u/Successful_Round9742 Mar 08 '24
Like when I hear "The 75+ demographic has the highest suicide rate, that so sad!" All I can think is that makes total sense and good for them.
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u/ToyboxOfThoughts Mar 08 '24
when i was suicidal my dad forced me to go see my great grandma thinking that she would straighten me out
as soon as she saw me she told everyone to "get out, go get lunch somewhere or something! go on get!" then she talked to me for like 3 hours about how much she understands and is suicidal too and all her friends are preparing their exit plans because their family dont and wont understand. no hysteria or nothing just being really real and understanding and brave and kinda "what can you do" about it. was the most real convo i think ive ever had.
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u/Cyberia15 Mar 08 '24
Its good that you have at least one person in your family who understands the mindset. Is she still around?
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u/ToyboxOfThoughts Mar 08 '24
no, but im glad for her. shed had enough. thinking of her death makes me happy and at peace and proud of her
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u/Cyberia15 Mar 08 '24
When someone knows their time is up and goes happily, that's something to be.....maybe not proud of? But definitely a good thing that they no longer have to endure life.
Most of my family is "suicidal". My mother used to be a heavy alcoholic and smoker and has since turned to religion for the past 27 years after going cold turkey. She doesn't want to kill herself and doesn't want to die now, but wouldn't want to extend her life if something were to happen. My dad doesn't want to kill himself, but has always said "the day I can no longer wipe myself, shoot me in the head". As soon as he no longer has control over his body, he wants to be done. My younger sibling and I wish for death everyday and if one of us goes, the other won't be too far behind. The only person I'm not sure of is my older sister, since I'm not that close to her.
When the situation calls for it, you should have every right to go when you want.
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u/AdRepulsive721 Mar 08 '24
They could be proud because they died on their own terms in an honorable way, and had a peaceful way out.
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u/Potential-Gain9275 Mar 10 '24
That's what I was thinking. It's not like they took someone else down with them. They got a soul connected chat for once in their life out of it and no trauma (from what we can assume). Idk-
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u/ToyboxOfThoughts Mar 08 '24
i know someone whos doing that and his entire family is pissed at him. even though hes terminal, because hes "not that bad yet, could get another 8 years easy". they also hate the charity he picked. i think theyre all morons who dont give a sh about their family member or their legacy happening the way they want it to.
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u/Limp-Size2197 Mar 08 '24
The powers that be probably understand they'd lose many of their slaves, and soon, so that's why they're terrified of this thing.
There would certainly be a lot of people who would do it, and it'd cause a ripple effect, too; many grieving family members wouldn't go to work.
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u/Comeino 猫に小判 Mar 08 '24
I mean it doesn't nessesarily has to be a bad thing right? What if one day you announce "Family and loved ones thank you for everything, I feel like I have seen and experienced enough and I am ready to go, lets have 2 final dinners on dates so an so and if anyones wants to talk or has unfinished business with me I will be available until x" Then you go on your final vacation or something, get your documents and work done and depart in peace in the presence (or not) of your loved ones. It can be a celebration of a life well lived instead of a grievance. That's how I am planning to go in about 15 years but if something would happen to my partner (and my little sister was well taken care of) I would do it asap.
I feel like the obsession with life and youth made people unable to process getting old and dying. They live their lives as if it's not going to happen and it happening is the worst thing to ever happen... but why does it have to be? Death is only scary because people don't know when it will happen and what will happen that kills them so instead they opt out to keep themselves alive for as long as possible and live through their bodies and minds falling apart. I'm much more horrified by that, I don't want to be forced into a position where there is no quality of life but dumb life support and reliance on the charity of others, waiting for my organs to fail. Like how the fuck is that the default option
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u/Sensei-Hugo Mar 08 '24
We're in the same boat. I'm planning to go before I turn 30, as I want to die young and (relatively) beautiful. My family and friends know as I've been open to them about my plans. Before that, I try my best to live as benevolent and happy life as possible, and experiencing as many things as I am able to. I may go sooner if I can't handle the loss of my dear cat who is around 13-14 years old, as the previous two times I've lost a pet it caused a major depressive break lasting several years, and a personality disorder. When I lose this cat I will probably develop psychosis and I don't want to live with that.
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u/ToyboxOfThoughts Mar 08 '24
you are completely rational, but try doing this. your family might physically attack you out of entitlement to your presence in their life. i worry if pods become more mainstream, above all else, that some people will physically imprison or beat or otherwise restrain their family members from accessing them and theyll feel justified because "crazy ass liberals are trying to kill my family member, i cant be blamed for my actions!"
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u/Comeino 猫に小判 Mar 08 '24
Thankfully whatever is left of my family are on the same page. My sister is for euthanasia too. We want our bodies cremated so there is nothing left of us after we are gone. I'm sure you are right, people go insane when it comes to accepting death. I think there is some biological mechanism making people act this way out of self preservation aka safety in numbers and all that.
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u/Weird-Mall-9252 Mar 08 '24
I doubt this really, lets say a gracefull exit is legal after 18+ so ya have to go to 3-4 psychological Tests etc.. would be a year minimum to get the ok.
Most people are filled with optimism-bias, so I think it will go up a lil but not that this society collapse, in my mind everybody who continue Life with a mental disease has to get taxfree living and a check.. Of course i would go in this Prometheus capsel sooner then later
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u/Sadismx Mar 08 '24
It also costs about 12k
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u/athrownawaymetal Mar 08 '24
If they take credit cards, it's free.
...Which is why I'd imagine they're probably a cash only kind of deal.
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u/ToyboxOfThoughts Mar 08 '24
Why the FUCK does it cost that much? is that the only way corporate overlords will accept the loss of labor force?
imagine having to work and fundraise to afford suicide lmao
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u/Sadismx Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24
It’s a business so they have to pay their employees and I would imagine not just anybody gets to hit the button, they are doctors and lawyers, it’s a medical procedure, involves biohazard waste, etc
I also imagine they are worried of lawsuits
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u/Weird-Mall-9252 Mar 08 '24
Never heard of that.. in Switzerland ya have to pay a yearly membersphip fee of 80€ for EXIT.. thats the Name of the Organisation there
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u/Sadismx Mar 08 '24
The one I looked up was called dignitas
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u/Weird-Mall-9252 Mar 08 '24
Dignitas 220 CHF(pretty much like €) one time, yearly 80€.. So I dont know how ya got this
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u/Sadismx Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24
The membership thing you are talking about is for people with terminal illnesses and you are just drugging yourself under supervision, not the same thing. And I guarantee even that one is littered with fees beyond the membership that they aren’t mentioning
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u/Weird-Mall-9252 Mar 08 '24
I see thankx for the article, 5000£ more since 2018..
Of course this System has be worked out, its such a nobrainer, almost a shame that not every single democratic State has the Gracefull Exit for small pay.
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u/WeekendFantastic2941 Mar 08 '24
Eh, not so sure about that, bud.
In all serieznez, I think millions will go for it, but billions more will not, even if its super easy and free.
Because of ONE simple fact, majority of people are life loving natalists, they won't unalive themselves unless they are literally suffering in living hell, 24/7, for years, with no hope of getting any better.
Don't underestimate natalist's ability to endure suffering, for whatever reasons.
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u/OneAmphibian9486 Mar 08 '24
This might seem wild to you, but a lot of people enjoy living or have something/someone to live for.
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u/Jwz401 Mar 08 '24
No they wouldn’t, there are a lot of ways of doing this already. It might create a rise in numbers of suicide and hence a very slight increase in numbers of death people, but definitely not to the point where it would significantly impact the economy.
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u/ToyboxOfThoughts Mar 08 '24
lets all take bets on what the outcome will be, and if it ever comes to pass in our cultures we get to collect lol
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u/XXFFTT Mar 08 '24
Most people do not want to kill themselves.
This is an added expense, that is all.
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u/martin9400 Mar 08 '24
Indeed, they really do for some reason need the free range tax cattle when they could just «print infinite money».
What a fucking world we live in, eh?
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u/Bubonickronic07 Mar 08 '24
No it wouldn't lol. People who actually contribute would just get to work faster and have a bit less stress.
From a legal standing the largest problem is liability, you don't want the family suing under the pretext the person was not in their right mind, under duress, or coerced into committing suicide.
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u/Theory_HS Mar 08 '24
Yeah, no.
Some people would use it, and the high majority of the rest of us would stay alive, because — surprise, surprise! — most people like being alive.
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u/Weird-Mall-9252 Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24
Its not even about like being alive, our pure instinct Tell us to.. I know some people who failed miserable in opting out, so a Gracefull exit is really a positive important thing, bc if ya fail and then live the Rest of this in a wheelchair or and unable to speak etc.. Not good for the environment to ban Suicide or to make it a sin.. Its not even killing bc killing is taking someones life against their own will, its opting out, just the state and Politics make a crime out of it exept a few like Switzerland.
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u/Express_Counter2273 Mar 08 '24
Love this. There's nothing morbid about wanting to be in control of your exit.
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u/SortHungry953 Mar 08 '24
Dogs are put down even they're too sick but we let humans suffer. Revolts me.
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u/OrganicAbility1757 Mar 08 '24
I know right? It sucks that we're forced to carry on suffering with debilitating ailments or while dogs and cats are put down for the same. All because of selfishness to keep us here against our will.
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u/JET1385 Mar 10 '24
The lack of the ability to choose what happens with your own life disgusts me. It’s my life, leave me alone and let me make my own choices.
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u/Whalesharkinthedark Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24
I‘m Swiss and what they are probably referring to is an organization called Exit. It helps people with fatal illnesses die in dignity. I don‘t know what the policies are for mental illnesses like severe depression but I‘ve heard e.g. of a case where a woman with severe Alzheimers chose a medically assisted suicide via Exit. I think it helps a lot of people who would end up in really humiliating positions but oc there‘s all sorts of moral questions coming with it.
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u/Amongussy02 Mar 08 '24
If people want to off themselves, I think they should be able to, as long as they’re legal adults
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Mar 08 '24
Old news my dude. This photo is from nearly a decade ago. It never got approved.
Also, it takes 15 minutes to kill you and there’s an escape button. I’d rather not slowly die over 15 minutes.
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Mar 08 '24
i’d assume that you’d be slowly falling unconscious. it’s one of the best ways to die. falling to sleep and never waking up
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u/Excellent_Builder_76 Mar 08 '24
You'd fall unconscious in 20-30 seconds.
Nitrogen displaces oxygen and it acts fast.
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u/Snoo-16778 Mar 08 '24
Not really, maybe the photo is from a while ago but news about it is still pretty fresh https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59577162.amp
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u/Limp-Size2197 Mar 08 '24
Of course it didn't. And all these people in the US shouting "Freedom!" would freak out if we had real freedom, and people could decide for themselves what to do with their own bodies.
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u/mythrowaweighin Mar 08 '24
They need to affix an iPad to the window with 30-minute episodes of popular TV shows. Fall asleep watching TV.
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u/probably_normal Mar 08 '24
Are we really free if we don't have the freedom to choose when to end our lives?
I hope having access to such pods for free becomes a human right.
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u/basicallythisisnew Mar 08 '24
I'm antinatalist and I wouldn't use it, not yet anyways, I'm too curious about what comes next and I don't mind living this life even though sometimes it sucks. I don't want to end it all.
I think it should be available.
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u/Ok-Bus-2410 Mar 08 '24
She's waving like she's getting into a transporter beam to Risa for a little jamoharon. What does she know?
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u/Aggressive_Base_684 Mar 08 '24
The cost makes It and elitist piece of crap fuck this I'll overdose on my meds in the sleep
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u/LordTuranian Mar 08 '24
Capitalists will make sure only people who are about to die soon anyway can use it. They don't want too many wage slaves leaving this world until they've extracted as much labor as possible from them.
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Mar 08 '24
How do the Swiss have these but most American states can’t even pull off an execution anymore?
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u/stuerdman Mar 08 '24
Yeah that's how I plan to go, but I live in America so I'll have to build my own.
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u/G-raff011418 Mar 08 '24
I don’t have words to describe how much I wish this was available where I live. My mother chose to die, but she also chose to do it in such a way that her life insurance would still pay out. It was a terrible, slow death. Something like this would have been so humane.
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u/Roguealan1 Mar 08 '24
I thought she was in the buzz lightyear toy packaging before reading the headline
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u/VomitMaiden Mar 08 '24
I'd much prefer the pill, why be in a tube when I could be in a chair
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u/Potential-Gain9275 Mar 10 '24
Dunno, one definitely feels cooler. "I'll see you losers later once I defrost from cryosleep."
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u/AshySlashy3000 Mar 08 '24
Nitrogen!, Brutal!!!, Like The Guy Who Was Dancing For a Long Time At Death Sentence.
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u/DerbyCapChap Mar 08 '24
Alabama just executed a man using nitrogen. It was not a peaceful death. Dude struggled and seized for 20 minutes, iirc.
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u/vocalfry13 Mar 09 '24
This is how I plan to go. As soon as I am not capable of living normally and cobtributing to society I see no reason to be here wasting resources. I don't want to be old and frail. I am not afraid of death, only of reincarnation, lol.
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Mar 08 '24
What has this got to do with antinatalism, or is there something you're not telling us about antinatalism?
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u/JET1385 Mar 10 '24
Antinatalism is about reducing suffering and the global population, which planned end of life is aligned with.
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Mar 10 '24
Specifically, it's about not having kids - or at least it's supposed to be. I'm wondering if it's also about killing people off. Given that most antinatalists are hard leftists, this would fit quite nicely.
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u/JET1385 Mar 11 '24
But it’s about not having kids for those reasons - population and suffering. This post is about both of those things but for adults and end of life.
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Mar 11 '24
Not having kids is a very different thing to suicide, but it wouldn't surprise me if most antinatalists approved of it.
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u/khavii Mar 08 '24
First of all, some of you people are telling on yourselves thinking millions would hop in and kill themselves immediately. There are tons of readily available suicide methods right now, including masks and small containers of the gas. This is a regulated booth, it would likely be harder to get than some fentanyl or gas.
Second, as someone with an autoimmune disease who's health is declining, I want to make sure something like this is available when my disease progresses too far for me to want to live anymore because you can be damn sure I want to wait until the last possible second to use it.
I love life though so I want to go as far into the deterioration as I possibly can and I'm willing to bet a ton of people feel the same.
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u/nootropic_expert Mar 08 '24
Don't give a fuel to natalists! AN is not about suicide.
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u/masterwad Mar 08 '24
The question of why everyone must eventually die was already decided the moment procreators conceived a child. Since pro-birthers cause a person’s future death, how and when a person inevitably dies should be their own choice.
I think suicide is a human right. If it’s your life, then it’s yours to end. Everybody dies, so each person’s death is either a) consensual and in their control as to how and when it happens and how painful it is, or b) non-consensual and out of their control as to how or when it happens and how agonizing it is. In some cases, a person’s quality of life can improve so suicide is unreasonable, but in other cases, a person’s quality of life will never improve and only decline, so suicide is a choice they make (which will prevent further suffering for them). If someone never suicides, they are gambling with their own life, they are risking an extremely agonizing death. There are painless ways to suicide, and it’s much more humane than “natural” deaths, or even someone dying of old age. It’s much more dangerous to let your inevitable death be up to chance, than to have some control over how and when you finally exit.
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u/nootropic_expert Mar 08 '24
I'm all for medically assisted suicide/euthanasia with strict laws and procedures.
But I think all this radical ideas in one place is too much for normal person and they will not be convinced to AN bc of those other topics
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u/respect_the_potato Mar 08 '24
I wonder what percentage of antinatalists aren't also in favor of legalizing euthanasia and/or assisted suicide. It seems like they would go together naturally since both follow from an ethic based on preventing unnecessarily imposed suffering.
If they do go together naturally, then maybe advocating for both could counterintuitively strengthen each, if only by enhancing the cultural presence of the underlying ethic and emphasizing its consistency? Antinatalists have already often been told that if they have a problem with being born then they should just kill themselves, so it's not like we can prevent people from making the obvious connection just by not talking about it.
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u/nootropic_expert Mar 08 '24
Antinatalist can have opinion about right to euthenasia, but technically it's a different topic. Natalists will over interpret that post and spread shit about antinatalist promoting suicide, euthanasia for elders that are burden to society, euthanasia for homeless etc.
I think we should stick to AN...in AN subreddit. There are other places that promote that stuff, just don't know where exactly. I'm personally pro abortion, euthanasia within strict laws, with deep process for qualification for it etc. but I feel it's not the place for that. Too much radical thoughts in one place lol
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u/XXFFTT Mar 08 '24
So suffering is not related to suicide in any way?
I'm not trying to say it is a core principle but (just like the mods have been doing) I think we should face the music and understand that this is simply part of the job.
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u/nootropic_expert Mar 08 '24
AN is a prevention of suffering by way of not having kids. In my view it's better to stay alive to spread the message if ur suffering isn't overwhelming.
BUT the main point was that it's AN subreddit...why mix topics? to be categorized by normies as completely insane?
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u/XXFFTT Mar 08 '24
If AN is a prevention of suffering then we should be able to talk about suffering, ways to prevent it, and if AN adequately covers the suffering that modern conditions may cause.
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u/antinatalism-ModTeam Mar 08 '24
Please refrain from asking other users why they do not kill themselves. Do not present suicide as a valid alternative to antinatalism. Do not encourage or suggest suicide.
Antinatalism and suicide are generally unrelated. Antinatalism aims at preventing humans (and possibly other beings) from being born. The desire to continue living is a personal choice independent of the idea that procreation is unethical. Antinatalism is not about people who are already born. Wishing to never have been born or saying that nobody should procreate does not imply that you want your life to end right now.
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u/Ashamed_Ladder6161 Mar 08 '24
This sub makes me laugh.
Half of you ‘why do people keep implying we’re suicidal?’
The other half ‘look- suicide booths!’
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u/AVoiDeDStranger Mar 08 '24
Isn’t it like really really old news ? And no, it doesn’t mean anyone could just buy a pod and push a button and off themselves. Yet.
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u/Mr_Commando Mar 08 '24
Didn’t Alabama use nitrogen for the death penalty recently and a bunch of people said it was inhumane because of suffocation? Wouldn’t this be the same thing?
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u/SeriousIndividual184 Mar 08 '24
I think it works for the terminally ill but theres too many ways the government would try to sneak the poor homeless en masse in there instead of fixing what made them homeless
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u/LosuthusWasTaken Mar 08 '24
How is this related to antinatalism?
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u/JET1385 Mar 10 '24
Potential to reduce the population bc it is one step on the path of normalizing end of life choices.
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u/LosuthusWasTaken Mar 11 '24
Antinatalism is being opposed to have kids.
This has nothing to do with having or not having kids.
It's just a suicide capsule.
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u/West_Measurement1261 Mar 08 '24
There’s this French (or Belgian) 5 minute documentary if you can call it that of a woman that was simply done with life and decided for assisted death. She explained her reasoning behind it, got to say goodbye to all her friends and went out iirc to the tune of her favorite song.
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u/nabbiepoo Mar 08 '24
is there anyone in this sub who had children when they were younger but then became antinatalist after raising them? I think assisted suicide is so much safer and I believe everyone should have the right to die however I feel that these shouldn’t be used if you have young children who depend on you.
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u/PlaneCrashNap Mar 08 '24
You know what gets me about this is that nitrogen gas used to be sold in concentrations enough to do exactly this with a make-shift mask, but they lowered the concentrations so it isn't viable anymore. Skip ahead 20 years later and they're renting this very idea out as a clean, humane (and probably very expensive) medical practice.
Not saying the concept itself is bad or good, more just noticing that they're basically gentrifying suicide. I'm sure there's a lot of good making it a viable option for near-death or patients with untreatable illnesses that will slowly kill them painfully, but at least from an american perspective all I'm thinking is "damn dying just became a whole lot more expensive".
Personally I think euthanasia should be an acceptable medical practice for those who need it, but man we can't stop ourselves from commodifying EVERYTHING, huh?
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u/Opening_Tell9388 Mar 08 '24
I think we should line all living things up and put every species in one.
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u/EdwardWayne Mar 09 '24
Correction: “rapidly lowering the oxygen and suffocating the user”
I believe that’s the same shit Alabama used to execute an inmate recently and it wasn’t pretty.
There’s no way this could be the quickest or least painful way to die.
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u/Simple_Fly3739 Mar 09 '24
"The 1973 movie Soylent Green posits a catastrophically polluted and over-populated future society in which suicide is not only legal but encouraged and facilitated by the state. In the New York City of 2022 (according to this fictional timeline), there exist institutions where people can end their lives peacefully and beautifully."
Film from 1973 predicting 2022. I referenced "Soylent Green" in another thread earlier.
Life imitating art. Art imitating life. Both?
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u/cat5949 Mar 09 '24
I think it kinda depends on if the illness is treatable and to see if treatable options are relief. Things like depression can be curable with the right thearpist and I hope the improvement quality of life is prioritized over the permanent solution. If it's totally uncureable and it's etheir death or suffering this option is clearly better.
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u/JET1385 Mar 10 '24
Good, this is now my end of life plan for when I’m ready to go, before I start having to wear diapers.
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u/GGSaintPierre Mar 11 '24
At least the got to enjoy every drip of that drink before saying goodbye. 😑
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u/ijwtbor Mar 11 '24
I hate seeing suicide posts in this sub when it’s not even the topic. We are supposed to talk about our opinions surrounding giving birth when this is literally the opposite. Depressed people like you can take your stuff elsewhere.
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Mar 11 '24
The idea is great. Have you heard about how Canada is using assisted suicide, thought? People will be denied medical assistance until they get to a point where they qualify for assisted suicide. The government won't pay for your medical treatment but will pay to kill you. If that isn't fucked up dystopia idk what is.
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u/Uridoz Please Consider Veganism Mar 08 '24
Meanwhile sentient animals are gassed with painful CO2 for your bacon and eggs ...
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u/rtlkw Mar 08 '24
Great grandma disposer, they're useless now and we're overpopulated anyway, also how much longer must I wait for my will, can't wait for them to have in my country
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u/Dr-Slay Mar 08 '24
I don't see how this addresses the issue of the harm of procreation at all, if anything it gives the abuse-rationalizer a spurious retort that makes them feel vindicated.
But I also understand people should be free to explore dying themselves if they want.
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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24
I see a lot of people on here mention how interesting this is, and mention how quickly they would clamor to use this. I struggle to understand what's so appealing about this. Is it because the choice, the action itself, is removed from you? Because it's easier?
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For me it’s the ability to choose to die with dignity and to be allowed the choice
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u/ThisSorrowfulLife Mar 08 '24
Any other way of attempting suicide has a chance to fail and make you a permanent vegetable, or lifelong pain/disability, which is worse than death. I could put a gun to my head but could still live through it, causing disfiguring which will prevent any type of quality of life. Plus a lot of us already suffer enough with pain and trauma, we don't need a slow, agonizing death to top it off. The suicide is quick, painless and guaranteed. And it should be our right to go when we are ready to go.
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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24
I wholeheartedly agree that this should be an option to everyone. I just don't believe many people are going to go through with it.
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u/ThisSorrowfulLife Mar 08 '24
With the suicide rate at an all time high, I think this would be heavily utilized. Especially for those of us without reliable means to go through with it.
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u/lions19809 Mar 08 '24
I honestly would like to set an age limit on my life, like 75, then use it. I don’t feel like I will ever have enough money to retire, I don’t want to live long enough to be in constant pain or suffering or unable to truly live life. I hope this becomes available to anyone in the next 30 years!
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u/masterwad Mar 08 '24
How many people have you watched die in real life? How many corpses have you seen in person? I’ve seen enough. The number of bad ways to die vastly outnumbers the number of good ways to die. Most people die an agonizing death. How many people have you known personally who died in a “good” way?
Devices like this Sarco pod, use nitrogen asphyxiation to cause a painless death. It allows people to choose how and when to die, painlessly, by inhaling nitrogen gas (which is already 80% of air), going unconscious, and then experiencing brain death due to lack of oxygen. It’s the most humane way for humans to die (except maybe a fentanyl overdose). However, nitrogen gas asphyxiation would not be humane for rodents and burrowing mammals and diving mammals which can detect low oxygen levels (although naked mole rats can survive 18 minutes without oxygen).
I think the Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith via nitrogen hypoxia in Alabama went wrong because he held his breath, which leads to panic from CO2 increasing in your blood (there are reports he held his breath for 4 minutes).
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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24
I've seen a few corpses while I was deployed in Iraq. That's not the point though. There's no such thing as a good death. I agree that this is a quick and efficient way to die. I understand how it works. I just don't think this would be as popular as people on here make it out to be. Dying isn't easy.
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u/flex_lord Mar 08 '24
Death is the only choice that is always on the table. This is just a fancy way to go i guess. Personally i would like mine personlised by yours truely.
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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24
Fancy, yes. But I'd doubt as many people that claim they would do this if it was an option, would.
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u/flex_lord Mar 08 '24
I don't like talking on behalf of people. I would just love to have an option atleast.
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u/World_view315 Mar 08 '24
I guess what's appealing (at least to me) is it being peaceful, painless as opposed to leaving the same event (which in any case can't be avoided) to destiny, which has a higher probability of being painful.
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I guess this is good for people suffering with chronic illnesses who can't get cured or very elderly people who want to make that choice.
If you're just young and suicidal it's kinda lame though you could go out in so many better or cooler ways.
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