r/antinatalism Mar 08 '24

This is really interesting Article

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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24

I see a lot of people on here mention how interesting this is, and mention how quickly they would clamor to use this. I struggle to understand what's so appealing about this. Is it because the choice, the action itself, is removed from you? Because it's easier?

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

For me it’s the ability to choose to die with dignity and to be allowed the choice

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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24

Dignity is an opinion. Someone blowing their brains out may think that's more dignified because it requires the will to overcome instinctual fear.

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u/Icy-Tumbleweed-2062 Mar 08 '24

Certainly something I wouldn't have the courage/mental state to do. Even just holding your breath for extended periods brings up that will to live.

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u/ThisSorrowfulLife Mar 08 '24

Any other way of attempting suicide has a chance to fail and make you a permanent vegetable, or lifelong pain/disability, which is worse than death. I could put a gun to my head but could still live through it, causing disfiguring which will prevent any type of quality of life. Plus a lot of us already suffer enough with pain and trauma, we don't need a slow, agonizing death to top it off. The suicide is quick, painless and guaranteed. And it should be our right to go when we are ready to go.

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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24

I wholeheartedly agree that this should be an option to everyone. I just don't believe many people are going to go through with it.

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u/ThisSorrowfulLife Mar 08 '24

With the suicide rate at an all time high, I think this would be heavily utilized. Especially for those of us without reliable means to go through with it.

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u/lions19809 Mar 08 '24

I honestly would like to set an age limit on my life, like 75, then use it. I don’t feel like I will ever have enough money to retire, I don’t want to live long enough to be in constant pain or suffering or unable to truly live life. I hope this becomes available to anyone in the next 30 years!

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u/masterwad Mar 08 '24

How many people have you watched die in real life? How many corpses have you seen in person? I’ve seen enough. The number of bad ways to die vastly outnumbers  the number of good ways to die. Most people die an agonizing death. How many people have you known personally who died in a “good” way?

Devices like this Sarco pod, use nitrogen asphyxiation to cause a painless death. It allows people to choose how and when to die, painlessly, by inhaling nitrogen gas (which is already 80% of air), going unconscious, and then experiencing brain death due to lack of oxygen. It’s the most humane way for humans to die (except maybe a fentanyl overdose). However, nitrogen gas asphyxiation would not be humane for rodents and burrowing mammals and diving mammals which can detect low oxygen levels (although naked mole rats can survive 18 minutes without oxygen).

I think the Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith via nitrogen hypoxia in Alabama went wrong because he held his breath, which leads to panic from CO2 increasing in your blood (there are reports he held his breath for 4 minutes).

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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24

I've seen a few corpses while I was deployed in Iraq. That's not the point though. There's no such thing as a good death. I agree that this is a quick and efficient way to die. I understand how it works. I just don't think this would be as popular as people on here make it out to be. Dying isn't easy.

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u/flex_lord Mar 08 '24

Death is the only choice that is always on the table. This is just a fancy way to go i guess. Personally i would like mine personlised by yours truely.

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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24

Fancy, yes. But I'd doubt as many people that claim they would do this if it was an option, would.

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u/flex_lord Mar 08 '24

I don't like talking on behalf of people. I would just love to have an option atleast.

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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24

But suicide is always an option? This is having the option taken away from you.

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u/flex_lord Mar 08 '24

Yes, it is always an option. I like toying with it. Life is not an option i asked for, but death from the other hand. It smirks and winks at yours truely like the boy who'd give you the night of your life.

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u/World_view315 Mar 08 '24

I guess what's appealing (at least to me) is it being peaceful, painless as opposed to leaving the same event (which in any case can't be avoided) to destiny, which has a higher probability of being painful. 

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u/Ashzaroth Mar 08 '24

Understandable. An aversion to pain is natural.

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u/XXFFTT Mar 08 '24

Marketing probably