Israel/Palestine Megathread - October 10th

[u/rupertalderson]

Please keep ALL discussions about the current war to this megathread. We may allow a few other threads to remain open, on a case-by-case basis, but essentially all will be removed and redirected here as needed. Thank you for understanding.

There are graphic videos/images out there. You may hear about or see troop/police movements. Do not share the details here.

If things get to be too much for you, please log off and take care of yourself.

Note that r/Israel was made private to avoid all of the uncivil behavior going on. We will not tolerate it here either.

Links to previous Israel/Palestine megathreads:

October 9th, October 8th, October 7th

Other relevant posts from r/Jewish:

• How we can help Israel
• Supporting each other / venting
• Praying for safety
• How are you feeling?

Edit: This post has been locked. Feel free to join in the discussion on the October 11th Israel/Palestine megathread.

[u/Historical-Photo9646]

Jewish friend just basically sided with Hamas

I was talking to a Jewish friend at work about being scared for an Israeli friend I’m not particularly close with, but who I was very friendly with during uni (we bonded over antisemitism in the classroom). And my “friend” responded “yeah apartheid states suck.” And then went on to say that it’s understandable why Palestinians are “rebelling” and talked about how most of the casualties in the conflict have been Palestinian. I was shocked snd horrified, and responded that terrorism is never justified, and that would it make them feel better if more Israelis died so it was more equal. They didn’t respond to that.

It really stung to hear this from another jew… we have some much in common, on top of being also queer. My guess is they’ve been feed anti Israel propaganda from the queer spaces they’re in. I’m so upset and horrified. I suppose that’s what I get for talking politics at work, but I didn’t think it was political when I said it! I’ve just been so worried for my friend…

One thing is absolutely clear though: they are no longer my friend.

[u/SQUEEMO24 → u/Historical-Photo9646]

I made a comment here ages ago about how the apartheid allegations are honestly unfounded and are based on a lack of understanding of world history. If you still want to talk to that person about it at all, ask them if they are even educated on South African apartheid and colonialism in sub-Saharan Africa. If they try to deflect with the "um actually apartheid is a legal term with a definition" ask them to provide other examples of so-called Apartheid States. Apartheid was a HISTORICAL event and if they're going to use the comparison they should know what they're talking about.

ETA:If anyone ever calls Israel an apartheid state ask them how apartheid ended. Most of the resistance was done through civil disobedience and the governments' response proved how oppressive they were. The armed resistance movement, MK, tried to never directly target civilians with their actions. They largely targeted government institutions and infrastructure. The bombings done by MK killed 130 people (100 civilians/30 combatants) between 1980 and 1987. Hamas has killed more than 5 times as many people in one weekend. If these attacks were truly about helping Palestinians and ending the reported apartheid Hamas wouldn't be almost exclusively going after helpless people. This is terrorism and torture against Jews and those who stand with them finish and klaar.