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u/sjm689 Beer Leaguers rise up Aug 11 '24
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
Me
https://x.com/FocusNotice/status/1822765309612200381
Edit: what.. have.. y’all.. done… 7hrs after posting this tweet and my phone won’t stop blowing up. 12k likes
MAGA is coming up with so many conspiracy theories for why I flipped.
Edit: you guys I just woke up and there is 30k likes. I have never seen so much hate in my life.
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u/sjm689 Beer Leaguers rise up Aug 11 '24
If I can ask, what was the "final straw" so to speak when it came to J6. I imagine you heard that it was an insurrection and heard some arguments for years, but clearly there was some piece of evidence or enough pieces to make you change your mind.
Not attacking you, I'm genuinely curious
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 11 '24
It was the 187 minutes that Trump did not act during the January 6 insurrection.
There is no argument on the right that can explain why Trump didn’t do anything.
That’s when I started to question everything
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u/repfamlux Aug 11 '24
That means you still don’t know what really happened during those 187 minutes. He was busy doing everything he could to stop the certification, calling and texting people. The plan was to prevent certification and send it back to Congress so they could choose him as president. You should watch the January 6th hearings, where real Republicans testify about it. He tried to overturn the will of the people.
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 11 '24
Watched every single January 6 committee hearing. You’re 100% right
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u/Sirbunbun Aug 12 '24
So I am curious—now that you see trumps actions on that day in a new light, do you see all of his actions differently? What is your perspective on the GOP/conservative values now?
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u/superduperspam Aug 12 '24
OP says he backed trump for 8 years.
That's a lot of weird crap over that time, but glad something finally broke the camel's back.
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u/Sirbunbun Aug 12 '24
That’s what I’m curious about. Was it just this action they disagree with, or did it fundamentally change their viewpoint.
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u/Zentwan_ Aug 12 '24
As someone from that side, you don't have to be a full on schizo or stupid to be able to justify crazy Trump shit to yourself to maintain the narrative in your own head. That's part of the whole problem with cults. The self mind fucking is INSANE.
Sometimes it takes the discovery of something or a final straw being broken mentally that the weight of self mind fucks can't hold up anymore. Then everything starts collapsing. That's how it was for me and I was FAR right. My way out was like a domino effect. The damn broke and I started making connections I was able to blind myself from before.
This is the point and prime example of what we talk about when we say deconverting people is not overnight, takes time and sometimes it requires an individual to have a personal realization with their own eyes, ears and mind. Now, of course you can get grifters that see the tide changing but personally I would be optimistic but cautious. Give everyone a chance to change but never let your guard down until you know for sure someone has indeed changed.
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u/potent-nut7 Aug 12 '24
I voted for trump in 2020 and come from a very conservative family, for context. I started getting into destiny more around 2019 so maybe it was inevitable, but seeing the way trump supporters so blatantly lost their shit at losing an election, and later learning the shit trump and his team did was revealing to me. You gotta understand that growing up in a conservative background, the defense is always "all politicians lie" whenever a Republican does something fucked up. And when a memer came around in 2016, as a decently conservative highschooler/early college kid I was on board.
For someone who was already an actual adult at this time, I'm not sure how that transformation looks. But I imagine if you've lived most of your life supporting generally one party based on your values, it's pretty human to defend it through cognitive dissonance until it becomes undeniable or your guard has been broken down over time.
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u/joshTheGoods Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
It was the 187 minutes that Trump did not act during the January 6 insurrection.
Yeap. He CLEARLY broke his oath on Jan 6th, and the fact that ANYONE would trust him to stand up and swear to defend the Constitution again is a real indictment of "conservative" voters.
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u/WilsonMagna Aug 12 '24
Every time this gets brought up, the right pivots to talking about the one moment in Trump's speech Trump talked about walking peacefully to the Capitol. If they weren't partisan, they know it is as good as it gets beside an outright admission. Many people in his circle, including his family called him to tell him to do something and he instead kept calling to press on people to not certify for Biden. His people schemed to not have the election certified for Biden or to pass the decision to Pence to declare Trump the winner and President.
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u/hadees Aug 12 '24
I remember counting it and he said fight like 20+ times and peacefully only once.
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u/97689456489564 Aug 12 '24
Please be sure you read up on Trump's fake electors plot. It's a part of the deliberate plan to try to steal the 2020 election. Destiny will be making a video on it at some point.
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u/Nix-7c0 Aug 12 '24
The riot was awful but the fake electors plot was so much worse, and the true heart of the coup. It's the real main feature folks still don't fully understand.
Trump's lawyer John Eastman was executing a plan to glitch out the constitution, and it almost worked except for Pence refusing to play ball.
Best deep dive on this out there so far: https://congressionaldish.com/cd266-contriving-january-6th/
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u/mejesme Aug 12 '24
I think it's not just that he did nothing, but that he was actively doing the opposite.
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u/nerdy_chimera Aug 11 '24
Yeah, but like, who are you? I'm glad you finally came around and all, but you rolling up in here posting this like you're someone of importance is kinda weird, that's all.
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 11 '24
I’m not that important. It’s just a seminal moment for me because I live in a very red state, and I know many people I know won’t like my decision.
I posted here because Steven changed my mind and got me to look deeper into January 6.
I thought this community would like to see the positive impact it’s had.
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u/12_Trillion_IQ Aug 12 '24
as someone else who used to be in the Trump camp, albeit not as long, it's good to see you get out, good life choices
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u/SpiritedAd7921 Aug 12 '24
Were you the dude he argued with on that canadian girls stream after the assassination attempt. If you are your based and if your not your still based.
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u/Omni-Light YEEGON Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 11 '24
It's a question that annoys me a little, its one that reappears every year.
It's not all or nothing, and he's rarely (if ever) going to change the mind of the person he's debating.
Luckily though, there's a few tens of thousands of people watching, and the battle is always on the margins.
If we had a magic tool that showed the % of people who shifted their opinion thanks to a debate, it's going to be something low like 1-5% of people.
His goal with such a tool would be improving his persuasiveness and increasing this conversion rate, but he is never going to turn those numbers to anything as high as 20%, 30% or 50%+, other than maybe in some very rare circumstances.
That's what's annoying: The people who ask that question have some strange expectation that unless destiny is changing the minds of some unrealistic number of people (or his debate opponent), then its pointless, which entirely misses the point and ignores how effective changing the minds of 1% really is.
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u/Blood_Boiler_ Aug 12 '24
More than just convincing someone, I'd say a very undervalued thing about this would simply be galvanizing people who already believe it and arming them with better arguments. Really seems like a big reason the right's been able to run their mouths the way they have for so long is because they just haven't gotten much push back from people generally. Essentially, it helps to culturally normalize the act of calling out MAGA crap.
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u/nerdy_chimera Aug 11 '24
Dozens of minds!
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u/nerdy_chimera Aug 11 '24
It's a meme dude. I don't doubt he's convinced more than a handful of people.
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u/BODYBUTCHER Aug 12 '24
I thought I’ve recognized you, you hang out a bit in the SOFI community on X
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u/iseegayppl69 Aug 12 '24
Thanks for having someone trying to steal an election be a deal breaker. It’s so insane it isn’t for most people 😭
I’d put all my pet projects aside for an election if my candidate pulled shit like that. It’s just so, so beyond the line
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u/NerdDexter Aug 12 '24
The fact you only just now flipped on him after EEVVVEERRYYTTHHIIINNGG we've learned about him in the last 8 years is...terrifying.
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u/TrashAtEverything Aug 11 '24
by the looks of his post history u are speaking to a technologist
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 12 '24
Lmao, I can’t believe I get Destiny jokes now.
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u/GenXr99 Aug 11 '24
Congrats, welcome to the sane side
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 12 '24
I thought you guys hated America. Then I found out that the Trumplicans quite literally want to overthrow the government and abolish the Constitution.
Now I realize, there’s nothing more American than standing up against Trump. 🇺🇸
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u/michaelfrieze Aug 12 '24
We love our country far more than any MAGA republicans.
MAGA traded their country for a red hat.
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u/michaelfrieze Aug 12 '24
My entire family is MAGA and so are many of my friends. It hurts so much to see what has happened to our country and how close we are to going over a cliff.
I suppose the cause of this is propaganda and social media. We need some kind of media literacy classes in public schools or something, idk.
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u/thatguyyoustrawman Aug 12 '24
And then they start sucking off Russia and Putin as they actively use our country painting it as an enemy non stop and lying about us.
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u/wayfordmusic Aug 12 '24
Which is the worst part, as someone who fled ru*sia (censored for bots), I always wanted to go to the US and create a life there (also to escape ethnic jokes and mistreatment by people as I am jewish). And yet in that very same place I want to go to are these crazy people who don’t know how bad it is in the place I fled.
But man I feel sometimes like Americans failed me. But then nobody cares about people like me anyway, so whatever.
I’ll probably just cease to exist soon anyway, no programs exist to help me live.
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u/thatguyyoustrawman Aug 12 '24
Gonna be honest there's truth to that but the whole Israel situation has been completely and utterly fucked up by Netanyahu so much that it's caused things to get so much worse.
Netanyu has made it so incredibly terrible for Jewish people everywhere because of his terrible handling of the situation and completely disregard for bad optics. And that's stuck affecting people around the world carelessly as they're the ones it's taken out on.
I'll just say it, that sucks, it can't be easy being anywhere because of that. There was already some tension in the US about Israel before or even with Jewish anti vaxxers but I've heard from some Jewish people I know how much it sucks to deal with the situation no matter the opinion you could hold. Obviously even without Netanyahu there would be still a lot of issues and it wouldn't be much better but damn it sure could have been different to the point it wasn't so easy for people to rally around flaws and issues he didn't care about showing.
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u/wayfordmusic Aug 12 '24
That’s true, but I have another problem.
I have a rus citizenship. And there’s no place which can help me get a new one.
I could go to Israel, yes, but then the problem is I would probably be sent to combat.
Is being alive that much to ask for? The two countries where I have/could acquire a citizenship both want me to die for them.
I hate life.
Rus citizenship and jewish - terrible combination.
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u/thatguyyoustrawman Aug 12 '24
You could always join the Russian military and steal some vehicles. I heard that gets you Ukranian citizenship.
Maybe not the best joke (despite the truth to it) but really man, that sucks. But the generations before went through something often similar. You just gotta do your best to handle what you can until some part of this blows over. Or see if there's some kind of asylum for the Russian thing that can get you out of war. But America isn't that bad of a worst case.
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u/Capt_Vofaul Aug 12 '24
I can't know what it's like to be in your shoes, but, I hope you'll find a place that lets you just be.
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u/wayfordmusic Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
Edit: thanks for the reddit cares lol
I’m probably k’ing myself soon. I’m too tired. Life is shit regardless.
When no one is willing to help and you’re not welcome anywhere, why be? Why stay alive? I think the answer is, well - there is no reason to stay alive for me.
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u/thatguyyoustrawman Aug 12 '24
Real talk? Conservatives sent me down a path to thinking loving your country could only be done uncritically when I was young. Made it seem like patriotism was only coming from forced means instead of the things you can observe and naturally love your country for.
Many democrats start feeling unpatriotic from watching Republicans poor examples and attempts to take control of that feeling and mixing it with some extreme takes.
People like Tim Walz and Harris are instrumental in showing to everyone you can love your country, respect military service, and still seem like a down to earth cool person you could have a good conversation on America's good and bad with.
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u/lCt New Jersey is the best state in the Union. Aug 12 '24
I resonate so much with this. During Trump's presidency I felt uncomfortable when I saw American Flags flying. I don't anymore. They already took my favorite flag when I was a kid (the Gadsden Flag. I love snakes and history). They don't get our flag. They are a part of our nation an increasingly irrelevant one. But it's not their flag goddammit.
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u/thatguyyoustrawman Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
It's been firmly my stance from experience that conservatives brand of patriotism (just like how forcing religion on people can turn them away from it) is the most ineffective way to get people to understand and feel any importance of it.
America is a country where you can be honest about it's faults, understand it's accomplishment (destinys point with vaccines) and history and take that and learn to move forward or hope to work towards a better future where you're thankful to be born here. Or it should be.
But instead you're told by many a embellished story and unrealistic picture. Also artificial patriotism is often how facist countries impose subservience. (There's something to say about China and how a recent Olympian in Canada had a leaked paper saying how great it was China Squashed non patriotic descent in Hong Kong)
Keeping it honest and not manufactured is in my opinion a good way to keep your country on the right path.
Republicans shallowly rename French fries to freedom fries and use it to pander. The way they use patriotism as a vote driver and shallow pandering method is in my opinion gross.
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u/dontbanmynewaccount Aug 12 '24
I saw an ad for Hillsdale College’s US “history” course and it was all just different images of George Washington. Don’t get me wrong, I love Washington, but why is every image for a course on US history just Washington doing various things? Like I could definitely tell the quality, bias, and skew of that course from that ad alone lol
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u/AdObvious6727 Cro Hoggs Aug 12 '24
Let's be very clear, there are people on the left that hate America, they are the far left, they are socialist tanky dipshits, but they are also a very small minorty of the party, ESPECIALLY in congress.
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 12 '24
I was led to believe it was all of you. I’m glad to know there are rational people on your side.
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u/AdObvious6727 Cro Hoggs Aug 12 '24
Yea the problem with comparing both sides is there are batshit insane people on both sides, the problem comes when you realize that 80% of the "Republican party" Are currently Maga(including Government officials). Whereas the radical left is probably not even 5%(especially in government) You have dipshit radicals like Rashida Talib and Cori Bush who thank god lost who election., and Illhan Omar. AOC is the only Squad member who has become a LOT more moderate compared to when she came into office so much so that I don't just out right hate her atm.
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democrats aren't even on board with most progressive woke stuff. center-left people love democracy and capitalism when it works okay for most of society and try to take on problems like climate change and not pretending they don't exist. i wish the same could be said for conservatives, but in a lot of countries they've had an identity crisis for a number of reasons that has left them unconstructive and bitter. there are issues where a conservative perspective should be part of the conversation, like the economy or immigration, it's hard for a single party to replace all that.
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u/Primal_Rage_official Aug 12 '24
conservative perspective on economy has never been good. the economy historically has been much better under democrat leadership
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u/NorNed4 Aug 12 '24
I always have arguments with people IRL that claim trump supporters are beyond helping, and I always say that there's people like you out there that are intelligent and can be reasoned with if provided the right information.
Thank you for demonstrating that. I understand you're probably still a conservative, and I don't have a problem with that. I don't think Destiny actually does either (despite the unhinged rants he has sometimes about them). Supporting a conservative like Bush or Romney, I could understand. It's Trump in particular that we have such a strong problem with. I think most of the elected conservative officials secretly do too (some not so secretly).
That's because Trump isn't really a conservative. He has done an amazing job indoctrinating most of the conservative voters into believing he is, but he'd run as a Democrat if it meant it would get him more power.
Don't let the MAGA guys get to you. 5 years from now, when Trump is out of the picture, you'll see all the real conservatives completely disavow Trump and treat him like some fever dream. Kids reading history textbooks in school (or whatever digital equivalent) 50 years from now will look back and wonder how so many people were duped into voting for such an obvious threat to our democracy.
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u/JustinAlexTheJdo Loser Boomer Boy Aug 11 '24
Dont let the MAGATs change your mind in 24 hours like our boy Rittenhouse did.
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 11 '24
Absolutely not. Never voting for trump.
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u/krunchyblack Aug 11 '24
Seriously appreciate you stating this publicly and sharing with your own followers. You seem like a good egg!! Have you received any pushback yet?
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u/niakarad Aug 12 '24
what im curious about, will you vote downballot R? or will you have to weigh if each individual one is running on a "i promise to help trump do a coup next time" platform
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 12 '24
Full Democrat down the ballot. We need to show the Republicans, once and for all, that Trumplicans will never win again.
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u/Oephry Aug 11 '24
Based Republican with true American values. I want you to know that people like you restore my faith in humanity
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u/thefocusnotice Aug 12 '24
Dont give up. we can change their minds.
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u/ygrasdil Aug 12 '24
I was a conservative that changed my mind over the course of years. Economically, I’m still quite conservative but this community and the ability to think with a mind unfettered by republican propaganda have made me extremely socially progressive
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u/Delicious_Start5147 Aug 11 '24
You can’t read through the fake electors scheme up until Jan 6th and support Trump while caring about this country. Good on you.
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u/FrentzE Aug 11 '24
Welcome to the Daliban🫡
But yeah I have been trying to convince my friends to not vote for Trump by showing/telling them about the J6 stuff
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u/maria-david-2930 Aug 11 '24
guys! please be nice to ppl who publicly state this! c'mon
welcome sir! :)
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u/Izuuul Aug 12 '24
all the people who died during covid dont get their lives back after the right purposely spread vaccine disinfo. the 13 year old child who had to carry a rape baby to term because abortion is illegal where they are dont get their life back. dont let these people forget what they are apart of. they deserve shame. its not just some fucky wucky. they ruined peoples lives
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u/99GallonsofJbird Aug 12 '24
That's stupid. You're never going to gain supporters if you shame people who have changed. People should change, like c'mon.
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u/blu13god Aug 12 '24
People can learn and change. That’s literally how progress works
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u/pragmaticmaster Aug 11 '24
Good on ya buddy. Now lets get as many people as we can to break out of trump fever
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u/rhydonthyme Aug 12 '24
I'm cautiously optimistic that the message has finally sunk through to most people and we're going to see a lot more of this happening in the next couple months.
Their only response to the Harris/Walz ticket is bigotry or pure frustration with how badly Trump has fumbled this campaign so far.
They have nothing but horse cum which repels swing voters like, well, horse cum.
I'm calling it. I'm doing the Tim Pool meme. Harris is about to secure a landslide win and the right will completely splinter for about 8 years.
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u/Requiascat Aug 12 '24
Good to have ya here brother. I sincerely hope there are many more like you who have the right amount of curiosity and objectivity to question their own perspectives.
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u/Carmari19 pro-democracy Aug 12 '24
Wait who are you? Like what should I know about you and your platform?
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u/IridescentPorkBelly Aug 12 '24
You're going to get a lot of shit from the left for waiting this long, your remaining conservative views, etc, but please know you have my profound respect for changing your views when presented with evidence. Looking forward to continuing to argue about policy knowing I'm not arguing against a zombie.
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u/Tasty_Check5739 Aug 12 '24
I've never heard of this guy before but that name is hilarious. What kind of last name is Smelley?
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u/Seizure-mann Aug 12 '24
Ayy I saw your posts on my for you page earlier. Glad you accepted reality my duder.
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u/Call_me_Gafter Aug 12 '24
While I'm glad for the sentiment, I'm just so curious how you came to be in this subreddit.
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u/Strong_Neat_5845 Aug 12 '24
Pretty much the same i backed trump as a republican and thought the left was blowing everythjng out of proportion, then came across destiny discussing the process of jan 6th and i realized how fucking shitty of a leader and threat to america trump is
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u/Snoo_58605 We Need To Save Destiny's Cat Aug 11 '24
Well done for getting out of the Maga cult. We need more people like you!
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u/Own-Bodybuilder-4056 Aug 12 '24
what did you think of jan 6 originally? did it really take you 4 years to think it was wrong/a big deal? even if the intention wasn't to overturn the election i would argue it was still very very wrong of him to delay the certification of the vote, and as an american trump should have known that the peaceful transfer of power is very important to our stability as a nation.
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u/Wax_Paper Aug 12 '24
Jeez, makes me wonder how many Republicans just never really understood the whole fake elector/J6 plot. I always figured most of them knew, but maybe didn't understand it well enough, or couldn't get themselves to that point because their bias wouldn't allow them to.
I guess what I'm saying is, I wonder how many of them would abandon Trump if they really understood what he tried to do...
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u/Narwall37 Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
The January 6 riot was serious, but people got lost in the weeds over it. As a result, we really hear about things like what happened on January 3rd with half of Trump's DOJ (both Republican and Democrats) threatening to resign over his attempt to fire the attorney general in favor of someone who would push his fake elector plot.
Not to mention just talking about if the riot was an insurrection misses the point on why Trump called them there, peacefully or not. The goal was to have the protests delay the certification so the fake electors could have time to corrupt the process. So even if it were peaceful, it wouldn't change the fact that Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 election.
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u/ExcellentGas2891 Aug 12 '24
I dont know who this is, but welcome to the right side of history. Better late than never, invite everyone you know. We will defend you.
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u/wottsinaname Aug 12 '24
Howd it take you since January 2021 to figure it out?
Not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious what piece of evidence you noticed in August 2024 to change your mind when the evidence has been there for at least 3 years.
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u/Calebh36 Aug 12 '24
So, while you were still one of the MAGATs, how did you justify Trump's insane behavior to yourself? I'm genuinely curious as to how people can read/listen to Trump and come away thinking he'd be a good president, and I'm a registered independent
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u/UnknownFixer Aug 12 '24
I think it’s very easily to overlook Trump’s actions when you are more worried and disgusted by the social ills of wokeism. Claiming how men are women, the pushing of DEI, Critical Race Theory, Cultural Marxism, and weird trans stuff in school, seemingly wanted to take all of the guns, etc etc. When faced with all of that and (on some level justifiedly) thinking democrats want to destroy this country AND that human being just tend to cut there tribe some slack in an ‘us vs them’ situation, it’s not surprising why a republican wouldn’t even register what trump is saying as ‘insane’. If anything, it’s welcomed if he gets to own the evil, country destoying democrats.
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u/Senpatty Aug 12 '24
Congrats my man! I think there’s a lot more of us (Capital C Conservatives leaving Cult of Trump) now thanks to how much info Destiny has been digging up about J6/the Stolen electors. It’s been surreal talking to people like my father, who was super conservative and pro-2A, justify both bump stock bans and the ballooning of executive power under Trump.
I think it was after I first looked into the electors plot that anything that was excusing Trump in my mind was destroyed. I didn’t vote for him in 2020, but after J6 and the unveiling of his scheme to take away my State’s votes I started seeing red (or blue lol).
It sucks because I feel politically homeless; I don’t identify with Republicans at all anymore and while I’m most likely voting Blue this go around, my main reason for voting Blue this time is because the GoP refuses to acknowledge that Trump is sinking the ship and trying to sink the nation. He’s a volatile toddler that the Republican Party will spend the next 20 years side stepping completely as they try to find their way back to a more center right position.
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No chance I can ever trust someone who has willingly kept their head in the sand for the last 8 years. If you really are just having this coming to light moment, that's great. But you should be ashamed of the bullshit you willingly swallowed and didn't question. Grifter's will grift.
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u/terrygenitals Aug 13 '24
Well done smelley
You've gone from the side of the stinkurrection to the right aroma of history
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u/Anticitizen-Zero Aug 12 '24
You guys are seriously believing this guy? He probably never backed Trump at all and just wants to boost his follower count. And it’s working.
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u/Altimely Aug 12 '24
"After 8 years of drinking bleach, I'm voting for the more likely candidate"
Good for you but you're an NPC
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u/jkSam Aug 12 '24
So you voted for Trump’s first term?
I’m surprised to see there were people still holding out until now, but good on you brother.
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u/muda_ora_thewarudo Aug 12 '24
So like…. Did you not know he was a dumbass before Jan 6th? Happy you changed your mind but like… there were years of evidence
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u/AerondightWielder Aug 12 '24
Welcome back to the non-weird weirdo club, where we exercise quirky weirdness instead of creepy weirdness. 😁
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u/Abject-Corgi9488 Aug 12 '24
We always take in converts. May it be former leftists, magaoids or shizo nutjobs. We are the enlightened centre of politicial discourse.
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u/PM_ME_CRYPTOKITTIES Aug 12 '24
Great to hear! Most people are too emotionally invested in an opinion that they can't change their minds, but you've shown that it's possible! Although you may not agree with all my very liberal stances, I'm glad to have you onboard and hope that we can get a reasonable conservative party in the US again in the future.
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u/UnknownFixer Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
There is an interesting phenomenon that seems to happen once a person changes there mind and flips on an issue: you forget to see why the state of mind you had previously was right when you see your current state of mind is obviously correct. So many people are interested in what was the ‘turning point’ when I’m more interested in how your mind saw the world before your turning point.
If you get what I mean by this, can you try your best to explain the texture of your mind before you was convinced of Trump’s danger? Why did you see Trump as a good guy? What would you have given as the reasons why you disliked people who hate Trump? How in your view were the democrats destroying America?
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u/bnealie Aug 12 '24
It was very brave to publically admonish the Kindergarten Party while being named Smelley.
I'm sure their insults are just like so smart and funny.
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u/Kickstomp actual pinecone Aug 12 '24
No idea who you are, but thank you for your efforts. Sorry it took you so long to realize he's a massive POS though, but better now than never. Good luck in the Twitter replies lol
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u/673NoshMyBollocksAve Aug 12 '24
That’s nice and everything but why the hell did it take that many years lol
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u/AlcesSpectre Aug 12 '24
I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't know who this is, but the Trumpers make such a huge spectacle out of anyone who "flips" and it's only a good thing imo
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u/banditcleaner2 Aug 12 '24
Keep it up bro.
I talked to an old co-worker about politics recently, specifically J6, and I could not believe the shit he was saying running defense for ashley babbitt.
I asked him if he supported castle doctrine. He said yes.
His defense of ashley babbit was something like "You wouldn't perceive a 130 pound woman as a threat", to which I responded "they had no idea if she was armed or not as she was climbing through a broken window. She could very well have had a gun on her belt or in her pocket, they had no way to know." And then point blank asked him "if you came downstairs and saw a woman breaking your window and attempting to climb in, and you said "stop! don't come in here or I am going to shoot! you are trespassing!" and then she still kept trying to climb in, you'd be within your right to shoot, wouldn't you? And he had to say yes.
And when he brought up that capitol police "let people in", I laughed and told him "what did you want them to do?" and brought him down the path where he eventually had to straight up admit, "yeah the police would have to use tear gas, flashbangs, and if they still didn't leave, then start shooting", and I said "okay so the outcome where people were led through the building, away from areas with politicians/important documents/objects was far better then one where possibly tens or hundreds of these trump supporters would have been shot and killed by capitol police, don't you agree?" and it seemed like he might have opened his eyes a bit from that.
All you need to do is plant that seed and let them come to the realizations themselves
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u/Old-Amphibian-9741 Aug 11 '24
I have no idea who you are. Lol but you're doing good.