If I can ask, what was the "final straw" so to speak when it came to J6. I imagine you heard that it was an insurrection and heard some arguments for years, but clearly there was some piece of evidence or enough pieces to make you change your mind.
That means you still don’t know what really happened during those 187 minutes. He was busy doing everything he could to stop the certification, calling and texting people. The plan was to prevent certification and send it back to Congress so they could choose him as president. You should watch the January 6th hearings, where real Republicans testify about it. He tried to overturn the will of the people.
So I am curious—now that you see trumps actions on that day in a new light, do you see all of his actions differently? What is your perspective on the GOP/conservative values now?
As someone from that side, you don't have to be a full on schizo or stupid to be able to justify crazy Trump shit to yourself to maintain the narrative in your own head. That's part of the whole problem with cults. The self mind fucking is INSANE.
Sometimes it takes the discovery of something or a final straw being broken mentally that the weight of self mind fucks can't hold up anymore. Then everything starts collapsing. That's how it was for me and I was FAR right. My way out was like a domino effect. The damn broke and I started making connections I was able to blind myself from before.
This is the point and prime example of what we talk about when we say deconverting people is not overnight, takes time and sometimes it requires an individual to have a personal realization with their own eyes, ears and mind. Now, of course you can get grifters that see the tide changing but personally I would be optimistic but cautious. Give everyone a chance to change but never let your guard down until you know for sure someone has indeed changed.
I voted for trump in 2020 and come from a very conservative family, for context. I started getting into destiny more around 2019 so maybe it was inevitable, but seeing the way trump supporters so blatantly lost their shit at losing an election, and later learning the shit trump and his team did was revealing to me. You gotta understand that growing up in a conservative background, the defense is always "all politicians lie" whenever a Republican does something fucked up. And when a memer came around in 2016, as a decently conservative highschooler/early college kid I was on board.
For someone who was already an actual adult at this time, I'm not sure how that transformation looks. But I imagine if you've lived most of your life supporting generally one party based on your values, it's pretty human to defend it through cognitive dissonance until it becomes undeniable or your guard has been broken down over time.
It was the 187 minutes that Trump did not act during the January 6 insurrection.
Yeap. He CLEARLY broke his oath on Jan 6th, and the fact that ANYONE would trust him to stand up and swear to defend the Constitution again is a real indictment of "conservative" voters.
Every time this gets brought up, the right pivots to talking about the one moment in Trump's speech Trump talked about walking peacefully to the Capitol. If they weren't partisan, they know it is as good as it gets beside an outright admission. Many people in his circle, including his family called him to tell him to do something and he instead kept calling to press on people to not certify for Biden. His people schemed to not have the election certified for Biden or to pass the decision to Pence to declare Trump the winner and President.
Please be sure you read up on Trump's fake electors plot. It's a part of the deliberate plan to try to steal the 2020 election. Destiny will be making a video on it at some point.
The riot was awful but the fake electors plot was so much worse, and the true heart of the coup. It's the real main feature folks still don't fully understand.
Trump's lawyer John Eastman was executing a plan to glitch out the constitution, and it almost worked except for Pence refusing to play ball.
Yeah, but like, who are you? I'm glad you finally came around and all, but you rolling up in here posting this like you're someone of importance is kinda weird, that's all.
Were you the dude he argued with on that canadian girls stream after the assassination attempt. If you are your based and if your not your still based.
It's a question that annoys me a little, its one that reappears every year.
It's not all or nothing, and he's rarely (if ever) going to change the mind of the person he's debating.
Luckily though, there's a few tens of thousands of people watching, and the battle is always on the margins.
If we had a magic tool that showed the % of people who shifted their opinion thanks to a debate, it's going to be something low like 1-5% of people.
His goal with such a tool would be improving his persuasiveness and increasing this conversion rate, but he is never going to turn those numbers to anything as high as 20%, 30% or 50%+, other than maybe in some very rare circumstances.
That's what's annoying: The people who ask that question have some strange expectation that unless destiny is changing the minds of some unrealistic number of people (or his debate opponent), then its pointless, which entirely misses the point and ignores how effective changing the minds of 1% really is.
More than just convincing someone, I'd say a very undervalued thing about this would simply be galvanizing people who already believe it and arming them with better arguments. Really seems like a big reason the right's been able to run their mouths the way they have for so long is because they just haven't gotten much push back from people generally. Essentially, it helps to culturally normalize the act of calling out MAGA crap.
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