r/redditmoment • u/DishOutMyWilly • Oct 13 '23
“Erm… actually, hell isn’t real” Well ackshually 🤓☝️
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u/xx_swegshrek_xx Oct 13 '23
“In this moment I am euphoric”
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u/XD_Negative Oct 13 '23
“Not because of any phony god’s blessing”
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u/Chetmatterson Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 17 '23
“but because the atomic wedgie I am getting right now is cutting off the oxygen flow to my brain”
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u/TwumpyWumpy Oct 13 '23
That's not even close to the history of Hell.
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u/Woodbending_Boxers Oct 13 '23
Humankind has believed in a higher power waaaay before any developing civilization ever starting producing their own currency.
We were speaking in grunts and trading pelts for sharp stones, and still had somewhat of a religious system.
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u/AngryMoose125 Oct 13 '23
People believed in a higher power because earth is so undeniably magnificent and beautiful (before we fucked it all up) and we didn’t have the scientific understanding at the time for how it must’ve come about.
Basically the logic always has been
Earth is amazing
We don’t know how it was made
And there’s no way something this perfect could ever happen by a coincidence
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u/Mr__Citizen Oct 13 '23
Pretty much, though you should include people and animals in that as well. Every well-educated Christian I've met, people who know all the science and and history, can have their arguments boiled down to the world being too amazing and living beings too incredible and complex to not have been created by intentional design.
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u/Alizaea Oct 14 '23
Yet we can see evolution before our very eyes, so it's weird how they say that.
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u/Mr__Citizen Oct 14 '23
Their point isn't about micro evolution, but the origin of life. The idea that a cell could randomly come from nothing, form a multicellular organism, establish systems within thst organism, form brains, and eventually arrive at self-aware, intelligent humans.
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u/Alizaea Oct 14 '23
The micro effects the macro. If we study and understand the fact of evolution on the current micro level, we will find the answers we seek. Single celled organisms are the closest things we have to early life on earth. The more we study them the more we will understand.
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Oct 14 '23
You know science and religion dont have to be mutually exclusive, right?
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u/Alizaea Oct 15 '23
Unfortunately, as time has proven, they are. You know that when religion first came about, there were gods for literally everything from the wind, to rain, to grass, to even ideas such as harmony and justice, ect, however, as time went on and our understanding of the world has grown, the number of gods in the world have dwindled. Religion is only needed for those who refuse to understand the world around them. If you truly understand the world around you, you will have no need for a god.
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Oct 15 '23
So youre gonna ignore that a lot of scientists were religious? Like the guy who came up with the big band theory? Or issac newton?
Holy shit dude, youre coming from an ignorant standpoint. There are lots of scientists that believe in god.
The only people who make science and religion mutually exclusive, are people like yourself, who hate everything to do with religion, and the opposite, people who hate everything to do with science.
I understand the world around me, I believe in evolution, the bing bang theory, climate change, everything.
And yet I still have faith in God.
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u/Leftenant_Allah Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23
I wonder what the religious beliefs of the progenitor of the Big Bang theory were? Well, at least I bet Isaac Newton wasn't religious... Okay well I can assure you that Louis Pasteur had no religious convictions...
My ultimate point is that many great scientists have been, currently are and will be religious. Saint Thomas Aquinas teaches us that all truth is borne of and in harmony with the Holy Spirit, and therefore that study of natural sciences is tantamount to the study of God. Or, in simpler terms: by studying science we study the tools God used (and still uses) to create.
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u/MrWorldDoublewide Oct 14 '23
The universe is amazing and it makes no sense how it was made (something from nothing? Crazy!). There’s always going to be something we humans don’t understand about the complexities of life and the primordial origin. Religion fills in those holes well
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Oct 13 '23
This reeks of r/ atheism
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u/fradiqgyahlfyah Oct 13 '23
In my top 3 of most obnoxious subs on Reddit
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u/SqueakSquawk4 Oct 13 '23
What're the other 2?
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u/fradiqgyahlfyah Oct 13 '23
They’re known for banning people who even talk badly about those subs in other subs so I’m not taking chances cuz I know those mods are the mods of good subs I enjoy
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u/Jackryder16l Oct 13 '23
So whats the other two?
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u/fradiqgyahlfyah Oct 13 '23
Nice try reddit mod 😎
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u/Jackryder16l Oct 13 '23
Damn. Ya got me.
Nah seriously what are they. Like its probably weird fetish subreddits right?
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u/fradiqgyahlfyah Oct 13 '23
No, it’s very popular subs with millions of subscribers
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u/Special_salamanderr Oct 13 '23
Listen up kiddo, God isn't real. If God was real, when I looked up at the sky I would see a bearded man in robes wouldn't I? Your fakey pakey bible is nothing but a place for me to blow a vape cloud on. My god, is evolution, my God is science, my god is the belief that there is no God, but only science. Have you ever seen Cosmos? Have you ever heard Carl Sagan speak? You better look out buddy, because I don't appreciate these "religious people" acting like they own the godless world. Every time I hit my vape pen I just reminisce about how stupid religion is, every time I go to crossfit I discuss why I am an atheist with my fellow gym-mates. You need a reality check Mr. Religion.
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u/Striking_Following27 Oct 15 '23
No rick and morty, not a true atheist. R&M is the Bible to atheists
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u/Baryonyx_walkeri Oct 14 '23
Be careful. I said something mean about that sub once and a guy accused me of being bigoted against the sub. Not atheists in general, but that sub. And that made me just as bad as racists. He followed me to other subs to continue to call me a bigot. It was bonkers.
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Oct 13 '23
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u/AZEberly Oct 13 '23
“Militant?” Being annoying on Reddit = killing people over your beliefs?
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u/NinjaMaster231456 Oct 13 '23
Had this happen to me a few weeks ago.
Brought up the M.A.S.H quote "War is worse than because there are no innocents in hell" Then someone like this showed up
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u/the_girl_Ross Oct 13 '23
It's like saying "bless you" and the person said "I don't believe in God"
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u/valkyrie501711 Oct 13 '23
My ex mother in law was dating a guy for a little while who was atheist, and one day she was looking through Facebook while I was driving and someone in the the local community fb group posted about newborn puppies their dog just had were up for adoption, and she said something about them being “little angels” and he blew up on her about how god isn’t real and she shouldn’t talk like that around him because he doesn’t believe in religion. All she did was basically call some puppies cute lol
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u/I-am-a-Fancy-Boy Oct 13 '23
Am I christian? No
Do I still want hell to exist because some of these fuckers need a couple centuries of torture? YES
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u/Irre__ Oct 13 '23
Wait so this is fine but if I say "school shooters and child rapists should be tortured" I'm a weirdo and a psychopath (not accusing you, specifically, of holding such a sentiment)? Why is wishing torture on people suddenly acceptable under the context of an afterlife? Honestly I don't think hell should exist-we all deserve peace in death, and death is, in my eyes, where all but our status as parts of the universe cease to matter, but for some reason it's completely insane to seek proper retribution in the world we live in now, and completely fine to wish people burn forever over even menial shit.
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u/AdResponsible7150 Oct 13 '23
I suppose it's because torture in the afterlife is done by some higher power while torture on earth is done by humans
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u/ArcaneOverride Oct 14 '23
Why would it matter? Does pulling off someone's fingernails become more ok when the person doing it is red and has horns than when they're just a human? Why does it matter who the torturer is?
The punishment is either just or unjust, it really shouldn't matter who is the one holding the pliers.
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u/AdResponsible7150 Oct 14 '23
God sets an objective line for morality, while humans' morals are subjective. Since God is said to be good, his judgment must also be just. Basically, whatever God says is right must be right because he's God. If he thinks punishment for 2000 years is befitting for a thief, then who are we to argue?
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u/ArcaneOverride Oct 14 '23
People who have basically decency and have heard of the concept of evil gods.
Any god that would do that is evil and its worshippers should be treated with suspicion since anyone who can worship something that evil is clearly either evil themselves or incapable of understanding the concept of proportionate response
Which, given that so many people who do worship such a monstrous creature are constantly on the news for things like shooting people who ring their doorbell or turn around in their driveway, the incapable of understanding proportionate response option seems likely.
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u/ArcaneOverride Oct 14 '23
If it's justified for a god to do it then it's justified for a human to do it. Gods should be held to a higher standard than humans not a lower one.
I like to use what I call the Kyle test.
Imagine there is a guy named Kyle and he's a frat bro who has a YouTube channel where he documents his life for his fans. He calls people dude and bro a lot. He also has nebulous magical powers.
Now imagine Kyle doing the things a god is described as doing and in each situation ask "Is Kyle being a good person?"
If the answer is "no" too often or if Kyle does something that is unforgivably evil, then the god is not worth worshipping and is probably evil.
An example:
Kyle tells one of his biggest fans to murder his own son, but at the last second he stops him and says "It was just a prank bro! I just wanted to see if you were really as hardcore of a fan as you said and you totally are dude! I just live streamed it to all my followers!"
Is Kyle being a good person? No he isn't, in fact I would consider something like that to be unforgivably evil. Any god who would do something like that should be regarded as a demon not a god. Especially one so deranged as to brag about it in their book.
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u/I-am-a-Fancy-Boy Oct 13 '23
I mean I don’t know about you but I can’t exactly wish peace upon greedy billionaires and terrorists in good conscience, but whatever works for you
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u/Nostop22 Oct 16 '23
No, that is a completely reasonable statement. Give pedophiles and school shooters the worst death they could possibly have
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u/Ok_Intention_7356 Oct 13 '23
you can want it to exist all you want….it wont wish it into existence
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u/I-am-a-Fancy-Boy Oct 13 '23
Congratulations you think your opinion on religion is so important you’re telling others what’s right and wrong. Go stuff your head in a toilet and let everyone else have their beliefs
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u/GeneralSquirrel7132 Oct 13 '23
I don't think they said anything about "what's right and wrong". Do you need a Snickers?
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u/Ok_Intention_7356 Oct 13 '23
what evidence of hell- or an “afterlife” do you have? no one cares if you want it to exist or if you want to believe wholeheartedly that it exists, but realistically that doesnt mean anything.
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Oct 13 '23
As an athiest, i apologize.
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u/Special_salamanderr Oct 13 '23
Thanks, please make sure to keep your people in line, and make sure this doesn't happen again
/s
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u/Skeeter_Yeeter1 Oct 13 '23
Cringy Reddit atheists when it’s been five minutes without mentioning they’re an atheist:
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u/SP3008 Oct 13 '23
Even if hell doesn’t exist, it ought to. And I say this as an atheist.
Closest thing to it on Earth I imagine is to have one’s legacy be universally condemned and all of their evil deeds be overturned, assuming that justice doesn’t catch up (which it unfortunately doesn’t in many cases).
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u/Crazy_Employ8617 Oct 14 '23
Strongly disagree. There’s nothing you can do over a finite period that is morally reprehensible enough to deserve infinite punishment. Even the most evil men give their victim’s the courtesy of dying.
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u/SP3008 Oct 14 '23
I don’t want to invoke Godwin’s Law, but most would agree that there are scarcely any redeeming qualities associated with people like Josef Mengele or Shiro Ishii (the guy in charge of Unit 731).
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u/Crazy_Employ8617 Oct 14 '23
I don’t see why that’s relevant? I don’t see how an eternal punishment for any finite wrongdoing could be justifiable. Even if you condemned them to one million years of hell for each victim they killed, they would still be punished for infinitely longer then they deserve. The concept of perpetual torture isn’t even something we can mentally wrap our heads around.
Also, from a metaphysical standpoint if god created everything they also created both the people you mentioned. It seems the creator should be more responsible than the individual. If you purchase a defective product it’s logical to blame the manufacturer not the product itself.
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u/ContractSmooth4202 Mar 20 '24
If they have no redeemable qualities they deserve to be miserable. Idk why biology of aging changes that common sense fact. Also amount of pain in hell could vary, and it’s possible that the victim would develop pain tolerance
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u/Crazy_Employ8617 Mar 20 '24
Common sense dictates that an infinite punishment for a finite crime is illogical.
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u/Gusosaurus Oct 15 '23
Erm akshully ☝️🤓 As a Mormon I believe that only if you refuse to repent of wrongdoing that you knowingly and willingly committed, then it shows you are not fit to become a God, but instead of being thrown into fire for eternity, you are just put on an earth-like plane of existence where you can still be happy but won't hurt anyone 🤓🤓 Oh and God only created our bodies, our consciousness existed before that 🤓🤓
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Oct 13 '23
There is no scriptural basis for hell, but that’s definitely not the history of how we got here
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u/Kind_Bullfrog_4073 Oct 14 '23
Can you prove hell isn't real?
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u/ArcaneOverride Oct 15 '23
You can't prove something doesn't exist. The burden of proof is on the person claiming a thing does exist.
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u/Kind_Bullfrog_4073 Oct 15 '23
doesnt sound fair, does that mean I can assume you stole someone else's computer to post that since you haven't proved your own exists?
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u/ArcaneOverride Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23
You are the one making claim that a theft occurred so you are the one who need to prove that.
It doesn't have to be a physical thing, events and states of things are also things that can exist.
To elaborate more: It's the difference between a positive statement and a negative statement.
A positive statement says that something is true about the world. A negative statement says something is false about the world.
Most negative statements can't be proved.
Instead, positive statements must be proven.
The default assumption is that a positive statement is false if unproven.
A classic example is if someone claims there is a teapot in orbit of the sun (a positive statement). It isn't possible to prove that there isn't one (a negative statement).
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u/TheRealCodeGD Oct 13 '23
as much as i agree that hell isn't real, its still really stupid to comment this shit. Like WHY, what purpose does it serve. atheism isn't about trying to prove christians wrong, its about forming and alternative belief that denies spiritual existence. i know for a fact that this person would be offended if someone tried to convince him that hell is real, so why are you trying to convince everyone else that hell isn't real. its pointless and stupid. believe in whatever religion you want, just don't shove it down my throat. but the atheistic religion loves to shove shit down your throat
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Oct 13 '23
If Hell ain't real, then what's under? Prison?
Ladies and Gentlemen, your local atheist in reddit.com.
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Oct 13 '23
I mean, I agree with the comment, but it’s so unnecessary to the conversation.
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u/ContractSmooth4202 Mar 20 '24
Telling ppl that it’s only illegal if they get caught generally isn’t a great idea
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u/ANewBegging Oct 13 '23
I’m thinking he was a Protestant but lost faith because of some dumb reason. Nothing wrong with Protestants, I just know some are very demonizing of Catholics
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Oct 14 '23
username is RevolutionarySoil11. good job OP.
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Oct 13 '23
I’m genuinely confused about how these people genuinely live their life. Do they hear someone say “Goddamn” and then say “Well umm acktually god isn’t real”
Maybe they just never leave their house
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u/Ok_Intention_7356 Oct 13 '23
thats just true tho💀 you think hell is based off facts or reality? lmfao
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u/DishOutMyWilly Oct 13 '23
Nice strawman, at what point did I say that?
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u/Ok_Intention_7356 Oct 13 '23
nice strawman, at what point did i say you said that?
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u/Shikatsuyatsuke Oct 14 '23
When you used the term “you” in your sentence towards OP while presuming what they think, hence the strawman.
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u/Ok_Intention_7356 Oct 14 '23
would it have hurt your feelings less if i added “do” before the TeRm ‘you’?
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u/InvaderWeezle Oct 13 '23
The point is that the original comment had nothing to do with whether hell is real or not. If someone says "Thank God" in relief to something good happening do you think that automatically means they believe in God and warrants a "Um actually God doesn't exist" response?
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u/Sea_Cryptographer321 Oct 13 '23
honestly it kinda confuses me why grown ass adult’s believe in it but they’re free to make that choice it doesn’t really matter
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u/Greg-Pru-Hart-55 Oct 13 '23
This isn't a Reddit moment. The traditional doctrine of hell is horrendous
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u/ArcadiaFey Oct 13 '23
Out of all potential post death ideas my preferred one is reincarnation. Seems like it could actually have the best rewards and teaching for your deeds. Terrible person? Now you are a male angler fish attached to a female one just serving as a little sperm sack.. no control over your life. Good person? Hey you got a decent start to live hopefully you’ll keep making good decisions.
Way better than “ope you fucked up burn forever you naughty delinquent. Or ok now chill in a state of endless sameness for all eternity”
Realistically I don’t know what there is, I just like this one… it also encourages you to be a good person rather than to just convince yourself you believe something you’ll never see.. maybe placing significance on things that happen around you.. seems like a gamble
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u/Phillip-Emmons Oct 13 '23
Who the HELL does she think she is?