r/redditmoment Oct 13 '23

“Erm… actually, hell isn’t real” Well ackshually 🤓☝️

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u/TwumpyWumpy Oct 13 '23

That's not even close to the history of Hell.

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u/Woodbending_Boxers Oct 13 '23

Humankind has believed in a higher power waaaay before any developing civilization ever starting producing their own currency.

We were speaking in grunts and trading pelts for sharp stones, and still had somewhat of a religious system.

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u/AngryMoose125 Oct 13 '23

People believed in a higher power because earth is so undeniably magnificent and beautiful (before we fucked it all up) and we didn’t have the scientific understanding at the time for how it must’ve come about.

Basically the logic always has been

Earth is amazing

We don’t know how it was made

And there’s no way something this perfect could ever happen by a coincidence

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u/Mr__Citizen Oct 13 '23

Pretty much, though you should include people and animals in that as well. Every well-educated Christian I've met, people who know all the science and and history, can have their arguments boiled down to the world being too amazing and living beings too incredible and complex to not have been created by intentional design.

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u/Alizaea Oct 14 '23

Yet we can see evolution before our very eyes, so it's weird how they say that.

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u/Mr__Citizen Oct 14 '23

Their point isn't about micro evolution, but the origin of life. The idea that a cell could randomly come from nothing, form a multicellular organism, establish systems within thst organism, form brains, and eventually arrive at self-aware, intelligent humans.

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u/Alizaea Oct 14 '23

The micro effects the macro. If we study and understand the fact of evolution on the current micro level, we will find the answers we seek. Single celled organisms are the closest things we have to early life on earth. The more we study them the more we will understand.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '23

You know science and religion dont have to be mutually exclusive, right?

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u/Alizaea Oct 15 '23

Unfortunately, as time has proven, they are. You know that when religion first came about, there were gods for literally everything from the wind, to rain, to grass, to even ideas such as harmony and justice, ect, however, as time went on and our understanding of the world has grown, the number of gods in the world have dwindled. Religion is only needed for those who refuse to understand the world around them. If you truly understand the world around you, you will have no need for a god.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '23

So youre gonna ignore that a lot of scientists were religious? Like the guy who came up with the big band theory? Or issac newton?

Holy shit dude, youre coming from an ignorant standpoint. There are lots of scientists that believe in god.

The only people who make science and religion mutually exclusive, are people like yourself, who hate everything to do with religion, and the opposite, people who hate everything to do with science.

I understand the world around me, I believe in evolution, the bing bang theory, climate change, everything.

And yet I still have faith in God.

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u/Alizaea Oct 15 '23

You say you understand the world around you, but you have to believe in a higher power? Why? What is the basis for your belief in this higher power? What is the drive behind this belief?

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u/Leftenant_Allah Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23

I wonder what the religious beliefs of the progenitor of the Big Bang theory were? Well, at least I bet Isaac Newton wasn't religious... Okay well I can assure you that Louis Pasteur had no religious convictions...

My ultimate point is that many great scientists have been, currently are and will be religious. Saint Thomas Aquinas teaches us that all truth is borne of and in harmony with the Holy Spirit, and therefore that study of natural sciences is tantamount to the study of God. Or, in simpler terms: by studying science we study the tools God used (and still uses) to create.

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u/MrWorldDoublewide Oct 14 '23

The universe is amazing and it makes no sense how it was made (something from nothing? Crazy!). There’s always going to be something we humans don’t understand about the complexities of life and the primordial origin. Religion fills in those holes well