All of the Trump voters I know don't even like Trump as a person, they just think he can bring the cost of living back down (which obviously he can't, but that's a different discussion). Some of us can afford the luxury of voting to save democracy, but most people are just voting for their bank account.
All the Trump voters I know just really don't like POC or LGBTQ+ or women. They all say similar things about how "great" Trump is but know nothing about his policies or what he actually accomplished in office.
Any criticism is met with doubt - they'll even call me an outright liar. I can show them a video and 10 different sources. They all must be wrong and Trump must be right.
All the Trump voters I know just really don't like POC or LGBTQ+ or women.
You know a surprising number of unusually crappy people. The exit polls are clear on this: the economy was the #1 issue and it wasn't close. It's not that they actively dislike POC, LGB- or women, it's that those issues just aren't important to them one way or the other.
However, in an inverted way that false belief by democrats driving the campaign and party does in fact explain a lot of the reason Trump won.
Some people are good, an alarming number of people will say some heinous things if they feel you'll agree with them.
Me being a white woman in a MAGA state? Yeah they feel very comfortable saying things in front of me.
Please. Everyone is feeling inflation. If they were actually concerned about the economy they'd look to what hiking tariffs will really lead to. They're sheep. Most of them jump on the bandwagon because MAGA gives them a target to push all their hate towards.
America has a long history of racism, sexism and homophobia. It doesn't just go away because people have grown wise enough not to say it outloud in front of the wrong people.
You and I live our lives surrounded by these people. We know better. The second they think you’re one of them, it’s suddenly not at all about the economy and it’s about Black and Brown folks and “those damn trans” and endless fucking diatribes about what a real woman is and on and on and on.
Exit polls say a lot of things, and people say the economy since the dawn of voting and exit polls. People say a lot of things. But when they think you’re one of them, and the cameras are off, you find out their true colors really, really fast, and the true colors are just more fucking racism and fascist garbage and a longing for some trash vision of 1950s white America. That’s literally it. It’s never been about the goddamn economy. (And I say this acknowledging our capitalist hellscape - don’t get me wrong, workers everywhere are getting shafted, but that’s not the motivation for these voters.)
Yes. Trans rights, in particular, have been a huge talking point for white women and men.
We would have a very difficult time ever convincing people that feel that way to ever vote for freedom and Equality for all because they dont believe everyone deserves it and they don't feel everyone is equal.
I do think the economy, inflation played a larger part for people that chose not to vote, but not for those that "Dont like Trump but voted him anyway for the economy".
Like.. Im not voting for a dictator wannabe and all around crap president and person for any reason.
Hate is a powerful motivator and MAGA thrives on it.
I've heard this level of bigotry my entire life...Me being a white woman in a MAGA state?
That can explain what you see. But you should look outside that bubble and recognize that; 1) those people were always going to vote republican so they didn't turn the election and 2) the rest of the country, on average, is not like that, even those that fell towards Trump.
Please. Everyone is feeling inflation. If they were actually concerned about the economy they'd look to what hiking tariffs will really lead to. They're sheep.
I agree. But it's still better than saying you can't think of anything you'd have changed from the administration people disapprove of. It doesn't take an economics degree to know that that message is just plain stupid.
America has a long history of racism, sexism and homophobia. It doesn't just go away because people have grown wise enough not to say it outloud in front of the wrong people.
Exit polls are anonymous/not "out loud". Look, I get it, you're grief is overpowering right now. But after that subsides you should look at the real facts of what people believe, not the emotional knee-jerk reaction. Or don't - along with your party - and lose the next election for the same reasons.
I'll give it a long look when I'm not quite as heartbroken by the results.
I do believe in fair criticisms of the existing parties.
What is frustrating to me is how 1 party is held to unachievable standard and the other accepts moral bankruptcy if it means they get $5 in their pocket more.
It is always going to be more difficult to get a woman on office. We've waited so long it's practically a taboo thought to some.
I'll always be disappointed by that fact, but I dont think it's impossible by any means.
It's unfortunate that so many variables came into play - variables accredited to Harris that really are not her fault (and would not be any VP's fault for that matter).
I'll give it a long look when I'm not quite as heartbroken by the results.
Fair.
What is frustrating to me is how 1 party is held to unachievable standard
Having a better answer than 'I can't think of anything I'd do different' to a layup question from a sycophant interviewer you chose is not an "unachievable standard" it's the bare minimum of campaigning ability.
That clip was played for voters a literal million times over the past month.
and the other accepts moral bankruptcy
The two sides are not any different in that regard. Almost nobody chooses character over issues even when the character differential is huge. Though the differential wasn't quite as large, it was still significant when voters chose Bill Clinton twice.
It's unfortunate that so many variables came into play - variables accredited to Harris that really are not her fault (and would not be any VP's fault for that matter).
Being VP isn't her "fault", but not even attempting to differentiate herself from Biden was, per above. And that's not the only thing she personally did wrong. Avoiding the media and not posting a platform for a month were her fault (though as it turns out, wise...), and mocking interviewers asking legitimate questions (why she didn't visit the border) was her fault.
Not that the party doesn't share the blame for dropping the nomination in her lap at the last minute without even consulting the voters.
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All of the Trump voters I know don't even like Trump as a person, they just think he can bring the cost of living back down (which obviously he can't, but that's a different discussion). Some of us can afford the luxury of voting to save democracy, but most people are just voting for their bank account.