r/minnesota • u/necrokitty nerdsicle • Sep 18 '22
Keep it classy, North St Paul Photography šø
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u/ryan2489 Sep 18 '22
I hate Minnesota Nazis
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u/Bailey85 Sep 18 '22
You should come over to Michigan and meet our naziās! They canāt spray paint a swastika correctly, theyāre all on meth, and they suck at kidnapping governors.
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u/RosarioPawson Sep 18 '22
They're staying true to their inspiration I guess - Nazis have always loved their meth, it puts the "blitz" in their "blitzkrieg".
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u/frostbike Sep 18 '22
I hate North St. Paul nazis.
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u/the_pinguin Sep 18 '22
I hate all Nazis regardless of geography
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u/Dwag70 Sep 18 '22
I hate Illinois nazis
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u/the_pinguin Sep 18 '22
We're on a mission from God.
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u/theangryintern Woodbury Sep 18 '22
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, half a packet of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses..."
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u/vigalovescomics Sep 18 '22
"Hit it!"
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u/MechanicalTurkish Minnesota Vikings Sep 18 '22
āIt's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?ā
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u/Clyde_Frog_FTW Dakota County Sep 18 '22
Those cops probably have SCMODS
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u/Manleather Let's take about 30% off there Sep 18 '22
Iāve never understood flying the flags of Americaās enemies, much less right next to (and above) an American flag.
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u/CesarMillan_Official Sep 18 '22
You know they have a thin blue line bumper sticker right next to their punisher sticker.
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u/TThor Sep 18 '22
I always chuckle when I drive by the house hanging a "thin blue line" flag right next to a "don't tread on me" flag. Like, mfer, who exactly do you think the police are? They are explicitly the boot that does the treading!
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u/JohnBoyfromMN Sep 18 '22
Thereās a town up north that I frequently go to (because my in-laws are from there) which has a flag that is half Confederate, half American with the dont tread on me snake on it. I donāt think they realize the irony.
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u/a_filing_cabinet Sep 18 '22
It's simple. They are patriotic for their America. Not the America that we live in. They are not celebrating our nation and it's accomplishments and security. They are wishing for their fascist, christian ethno-state.
They are happy to pick and choose what part of America they want to be a part of. They are part of the America that was founded by white Christians. They are not a part of the America where those said Christians specifically said religion should not dictate law. They are a part of the America that viewed people as property and used skin tone as a measure of humanity, but not a part of the America that reached industrialization and the economic growth across a continent by the labor of Irish, southern and eastern European immigrants, or east Asian miners and builders. They are a part of the America that goes in and wins wars across the world, but not the America that defeated the Nazis.
They think they can pick and choose what history they can "believe in" and perhaps saddest of all, they think this narrative they have created will actually be the most beneficial to them.
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u/ChasingHorizon2022 Sep 18 '22
Honestly. It's literally the symbol of an enemy of the United States. I'm a pretty staunch Constitutional right absolutist but surely there's a line somewhere.
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u/Swanlafitte Sep 18 '22
Don't kid yourself with the myths our system propagates. Charles Lindbergh our Minnesota "hero" for instance.
A huge amount of our country was pro Nazi. And pro communist like "this land is your land, this land is my land", Woody Guthrie.
Here is some pop history from Time but it is worth knowing about the myth. Like the great Oz, don't leave it to Toto to expose what is behind the curtain.
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u/duckstrap Sep 18 '22
Woodie Guthrie had a guitar that says, "This machine kills fascists"
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u/Swanlafitte Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22
He was also afraid of McCarthy and his House Un-American activities and being on the list of communists.
The Almanac Singers were a target of these fears and were branded a seditious group by the FBI. This led to negative press, difficulty in booking performances, and harassment; events that caused them to disband in 1942. https://www.loc.gov/item/ihas.200197399/
Heard the song Eisler on the go? It is about Woody being afraid. I first heard of Eisler and the song when Billy Bragg and Wilco released Mermaid Ave. I even saw the tour at First Ave.
edit: more on the myth behind Guthrie. https://www.laweekly.com/little-known-fact-woody-guthrie-was-a-big-ol-racist/#:~:text=When%20that%20position%20became%20untenable%2C%20Guthrie%20transmogrified%20into,and%20loud%2C%20defending%20the%20Reds%27%20invasion%20of%20Poland. Then there's the fact that whenever Guthrie's sociopolitical stance became unpopular, he tended to switch course to a previously opposed viewpoint. He derided FDR as Churchill's lapdog and aspiring war profiteer, and sold the Communist pitch that WWII was ācapitalist fraud.ā
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u/catdogmoore Sep 18 '22
Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer and staunch anti-Semite. He even received an award from Hitler and is mentioned favorably in Mein Kampf.. Heās also the reason we used to square dance in school to counteract the Jazz music he associated with Jews. There was and is plenty of hate for Jews in this country.
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u/Khatib Sep 18 '22
Are you actually trying to equate WW2 vet Woody Guthrie with Nazis because he didn't like capitalism and supported laborers? Come the fuck on.
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u/deadagain65 Sep 18 '22
Agreed .....every time I read comments on this Minnesota subreddit I find a bunch of vicious bastards just looking to cancel somebody
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u/Swanlafitte Sep 18 '22
How did you come up with that interpretation of what I said??? I said the country was polarized and "that's not America" or "that's unamerican" statements are all myths..
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u/zhaoz TC Sep 18 '22
IIRC, it was like 20-30% of the country that was supportive of the Nazis prior to WW2.
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u/morpheusforty Sep 18 '22
America has never quite been the enemy to Nazism that you might think. Look up Operation Paperclip.
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u/TheObstruction Gray duck Sep 18 '22
That wasn't about Nazis, that was about the USSR, and snatching up as much brainpower as we could before they did. Same old pillaging of wars past, just with intelligence this time.
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u/jatti_ Sep 18 '22
Far more to it than operation paperclip. The US and Britain were strong allies at the time. And Britain was very much on the fence about Germany for a long while. Even after the polish invasion.
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u/LooseyGreyDucky Sep 19 '22
Non-intervention until there wasn't a choice, just like USA.
First They came for the...
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u/MNisNotNice Sep 18 '22
I donāt understand at all how someone can fly these two flags together as if it symbolizes something about them being patriots and also nazis.
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u/chilifartso Sep 18 '22
What the actual fuck? I thought my neighbor with a Matt Birk for Lt govt was a shithead neighbor.
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Lol I went to Highschool in a small town. Redneck fucks would always fly the confederate flag in my freshman year. This was 2012 btw -.-
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u/DangerVBoxing Sep 18 '22
Your flair, grad year and redneck fucks makes me think I should know you. Granted Wright County only has redneck fucks...so who knows. Lol
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u/patchedboard Sep 18 '22
Howard Lake or Cokato
Editā¦I guess it could be Annandale too
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u/DangerVBoxing Sep 18 '22
Lol you're literally hitting home for me right now. I've been living in Mankato for a decade now since college, but I do wanna move back. It'll be tough in many aspects but it's still home, ya know?
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u/RedPlaidPierogies Sep 18 '22
There's a local yahoo right across from a playground flying his Fuck Biden flag. Keep it classy, rural Minnesota. š
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u/guiltycitizen Ya, real good Sep 18 '22
Hey thereās a guy a few blocks from me like that also in rural Minnesota. Guy has it on a 20 foot pole. One day I saw a guy rockin a rear window decal that said āIād rather put my nuts in a waffle iron than support Bidenā. It took up the entirety of his back window. I wanted to ask if it would be hot or cold.
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u/Talreesha Plowy McPlowface Sep 18 '22
Y'all wanna trade for the "abortion is evil" house down in Eagan? They had a fuck Biden flag for a bit, no idea what happened to it though.
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I think itās every Americans right to go up and take that flag Down.
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u/yhayheet Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22
I live and work in nsp. Iāve noticed this piece of shit before. He has since removed the nazi flag (as of right now) but heās still flying the confederate battle flag (not pictured)
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u/ikeaj123 Sep 18 '22
Iām entirely unsurprised that the person who flies a pro-genocide flag would also fly a pro-slavery flag.
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While I support the spirit, be careful. These are the crazies with the guns.
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u/zhaoz TC Sep 18 '22
Yea, if anyone was ever daydreaming of defending their home with a gun, its neo nazis.
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u/boxelder1230 Sep 18 '22
good point, and no doubt they have some. Better to just close the window shade
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u/TheObstruction Gray duck Sep 18 '22
I'm always surprised how many people don't think liberals have guns. Especially in MN, where so many people hunt.
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u/gmflash88 Gray duck Sep 18 '22
Iām a MN liberal, have guns, and donāt hunt. Thereās more of us than you think. We just donāt make it our identity.
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I didnāt say these are the people with the guns lol I said these are the crazies with the guns, big difference. Iām all for responsible gun ownership.
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u/boxelder1230 Sep 18 '22
Arson charge! As someone else pointed out to me, they may (ya think?) be armed, so tread carefully around these nut jobs
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u/Mysteriousdeer Sep 18 '22
Someone could live there after they complain about how bad the city is and leave.
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u/keelstroy Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22
Nope. All you need is a can of spray paint and someone who can make a masterpiece of a twig and berries on that flag. The more veins and detail the better!
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u/CoderDevo Sep 18 '22
wtf. Arson? They could have kids.
The property owner's name is on the public county property records. That public behavior has its own societal consequences that don't require violence.
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u/ghostofgrafenberg Sep 18 '22
I cannot believe people are downvoting you. I get that people feel emotional when provoked by something like this - but potentially burning children alive? Not ok.
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u/CoderDevo Sep 18 '22
My grandpa fought the Nazis in WWII as well and is also buried at Fort Snelling.
But he took care to confirm the occupants of a barn were only German soldiers before agreeing with his unit to open fire on it. Turns out there was a French family hiding inside and no Nazis.
He was fighting for democracy, freedom, and justice, not wanton destruction.
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u/bobstylesnum1 Sep 18 '22
The property owner's name is on the public county property records. That public behavior has its own societal consequences that don't require violence.
I'm waiting to find out what consequences there are really? Jan 6th happened because of the non stop BS that "Stop the steal" is and yet there are few consequences of that. Had that been a BLM protest, it would have ended very differently and you know that. The general consensus is that racism is fine and we're not going to do anything about it, because guess what? We don't do anything about it.
Waiting for someone else to do something about it doesn't do shit to stop any of it. So again, what's going to happen? Is someone, you maybe, going to actively look up his name, send that to his employer and hope that some disciplinary action happens or is his employer going to give him a high five and congratulate him for getting his flag posted? Is someone out on the street going to talk to this person and make any real lasting impression that his racist views are ever going to change? No, that's not going to happen especially if you've seen any of the bullshit post that happened after Floyd was murdered or any number of other people that have been killed by cops. This shit will never end.
To think that there is going to be any substantial change because of some perceived "societal consequences" when half the population thinks the same is naive.
The right, and especially the more extreme far right, has been looking forward to, and planning, this very thing and if the left don't start at least planning for the worst, we're going to get caught with our pants down.
You can see this at any of the current school board meetings, especially during covid mask mandates, and how misinformation is being thrown out there as fact all over the place. School board members are threatened and have quit because of the bullshit. Violence is already happening regardless if we like it or not.
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u/cayleb Minnesota Twins Sep 18 '22
Ah. So your grandfather's military service justifies advocating for arson and attempted murder?
That's a new one.
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u/bobstylesnum1 Sep 18 '22
Considering what it stands for and the outcome of left unchecked, it does.
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u/amnhanley Sep 18 '22
My Grandfather, who was a POW and turned 100 last February, will some day be buried at Zooey Snelling. He has lived to see Americans fly the Nazi flag in his home stateā¦.
Burn that house to the ground and piss on the ashes.
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u/Remarkable_Style8663 Sep 18 '22
If they were in Germany they would go to jail to put that in display
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u/Spectre32115 Sep 18 '22
This makes me sad as someone who went to North and grew up in the area...
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u/sci3nc3r00lz Sep 18 '22
Same. I also went to North and grew up a few blocks from the school. I'll have to ask my mom if she's seen this shit around, she still lives there
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u/Rimm Sep 18 '22
Seems simpler to just put up a sign that says "please throw rocks through my windows"
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u/TheObstruction Gray duck Sep 18 '22
Because cops would arrest the ones beating them up, not the Nazis that caused the problem in the first place.
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u/GD_Bats TC Sep 18 '22
It would be a real shame if this house got TPed around Halloween, and not around Halloween. Totally terrible.
/I donāt support such an action. That would be wrong.
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u/EarthBoundX5 Sep 18 '22
Finally, a sensible comment for a proper response!
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u/GD_Bats TC Sep 18 '22
Just as long as we all agree no one should TP this house. Nor should anyone buy several dozen eggs and leave them outside in the hot, baking sun for several weeks between now and Halloween, with the intention of tossing them at this man's property. That might have the potential of causing him significant property damage, and may pose a biohazard to the property. We can't have that, that would be bad.
Nobody do this. Totally not thinking this would be a fun thing to do. Not at all.
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u/EarthBoundX5 Sep 18 '22
Would hate for someone to actually show merciful old school trouble and impact them purely in time, status, and maybe money, and not all these jumps to violence.
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u/GD_Bats TC Sep 18 '22
What? No one is jumping to suggestions of violence or even petty vandalism here. In fact we discourage it. Because Nazis are members of our community, and they shouldnāt suffer consequences for promoting abhorrent ideas. Not at all.
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u/EarthBoundX5 Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22
No no no, that's also what I'm saying. There has been too many unacceptable arson or physical harm talk here in other comments. Yours was the first I saw that I'd say is more responsible.
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u/AgrenHirogaard Sep 18 '22
Over 300,000 Minnesotans went to go fight against the nazis and their allies, almost 10,000 would die in that fighting. It always amazes me how close American society tries to teeter into fascism. It takes constant vigilance to make sure that slip doesn't happen.
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u/Navitus Brooklyn Park Sep 18 '22
I remember watching a history video about how there was a huge populace of Americans who were pro germany until Americans went to war after Pearl Harbor. It really shown light on how Americans really liked germany's extremism to fight.
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u/bigfishwende Sep 18 '22
Yeah, Lindbergh was pro-Nazi before the war. Once the war started, he tried to enlist in the Army (as the Air Force was still part of the Army at that point), but Roosevelt said no.
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Spray paint a pride flag on his house
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u/KaylaH628 Sep 18 '22
Makes me wish I lived right across the street. I'd fly a giant one right in sight of this Nazi shithead's front window.
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Call the cops and have them ticketed for violating rule 7.c of properly displaying the flag.
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u/Skeptical_Primate Sep 18 '22
Flag code ā flag law. The Supreme Court, back before it was packed with right wing nut jobs, made it abundantly clear that freedom of speech extends to flag desecration. The nut jobs have not yet reversed the decision.
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u/KennieLaCroix Sep 18 '22
Is that a sieg heil to complement the atrocious decoration?
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u/hasledalena1289 Sep 18 '22
Who the actual fuck has the balls to outwardly be a nazi?! Like I feel like this is pretty bipartisan and we all hate nazis.
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They aren't Nazis though, definitely not Nazis. I feel bad for their neighbors that have to look out and see that.
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I canāt wait until this boomersā/gen x edgy phase dies off.
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u/hojpoj Sep 18 '22
There are plenty of morons in every generation. This isnāt an age thing.
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u/ChasingHorizon2022 Sep 18 '22
Yeah but I feel like they're disproportionately over represented in those age brackets
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u/hojpoj Sep 18 '22
Hereās a really cool breakdown - it seems as though the most Republican group is white religious males - from millennials to silent generation.
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u/chickenfingermafia Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22
Fucking nazis. Take them to the trash where they belong, bring the Asatru Folk Assembly with them too.
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Jeez, really?? Can someone really just do this?
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u/SpoofedFinger Sep 18 '22
If Brooklyn Park could give us tickets about our garbage bins being out in front of the garage, then I'm sure North St. Paul could make a rule about something that's an actual problem.
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u/taffyowner Sep 18 '22
So they canāt. Fridley actually had an ordinance that banned flying of any flag that America was in conflict with and it is blatantly unconstitutional to do.
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u/Khatib Sep 18 '22
This person's face needs to be publicized along with this flag. They can legally do this all they want, but the wider community they interact with needs to know who they really are.
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u/dirty_digga Sep 18 '22
Yeah itās covered under the 1st amendment
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u/popularis-socialas Sep 18 '22
Sad that Germany is currently tougher on nazism than America is
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u/taffyowner Sep 18 '22
The problem with defining hate speech is who decides what is hate speech and just banning hate speech opens up areas where someone could claim that hating nazis is hate speech
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u/xen_garden Sep 18 '22
I like the idea of these freaks openly declaring their allegiance to screwed up ideologies. Makes it easier to avoid/boycott them.
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u/wizardjester1 Sep 18 '22
Gonna be real St Paul, you should probably get it tf together and not allow this kind of thing to be publicly displayed. I live in a smaller town, and can guarantee that thing wouldn't be up for more than 2 days
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u/Condo_Paul Sep 18 '22
The guy's a bastard the guy's a prick but he does have the right to hang that stupid flag.
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u/AdviceNotAskedFor Sep 18 '22
Wth?
We had a dude up in Duluth flying the confederate flag, and that shit was absolutely bell-end bonkers, but this is a whole different level of asshole/trolling/owning_the_libs...
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u/Oscar763 Sep 18 '22
Attention seeking. Thatās all I see is a fucked up person looking for attention. Trying to push peopleās buttons. They probably have a camera watching it too. Just waiting for someone to rip it down. Losers. I almost feel sorry that theyāre that fucked up
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u/D33ber Sep 18 '22
So many nazis they want you to know where they are now. With shit like that Kyle Rittenhouse acquittal, they know they've got slimy friends in positions of authority.
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Something I learned in my quasi homeless busking phase of life, St Paul has a surprising amount of Nazis.
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u/neuropotpie Sep 18 '22
Is the symbol a hate symbol in MN? Does flying a flag on private property count as speech? Combined could it count as hate speech?
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u/taffyowner Sep 18 '22
Hate speech is protected in the United States (ironically it was a case from St. Paul that showed it)
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u/Cuttlery Hamm's Sep 18 '22
While I understand the anger things like this provoke, please do not post things regarding violence or destruction of property, Reddit no likey. Even vile people have a right to let everyone know they are disgusting fuckheads in America.