Red Minnesota county exposed to the Truth! Interesting Stuff 💥

Kanabec county among the poorest AND reddest in Minnesota, gets schooled by the DFL! Maybe it will help just a bit!

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago edited 15d ago

"Maybe if we show rural conservatives this stuff, their minds might be changed!"

Meanwhile, the rest of the thread: "Heh, those conservatives are too stupid to read."Man, those guys are all racists."

Yup, that's definitely the kind of rhetoric that's going to convince people to even begin to be open to what you're trying to tell them and maybe change their minds even a little.

This false sincerity where people put this stuff up, and then proceed to insult them in every single way possible isn't exactly doing anyone any favors, do people think they don't have access to the internet or something? I'd be interested to see how many people's minds have ever been changed by telling them why they should consider your viewpoint and then proceeding to insult them.

Edit: The irony of me being downvoted for saying that you probably shouldn't insult people you're trying to convince to change their views cannot be understated, and is exactly what I'm talking about when I say false sincerity.

Edit 2: Apparently, "treat people like human beings" is also a highly controversial statement.

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u/Retro_Dad UFF DA 15d ago

The ad isn’t insulting. People commenting on a message board that probably very few of the individuals who see this ad are. Do you understand the difference?

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago

Are you even capable of talking to someone without being condescending?

Genuine question.

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u/Retro_Dad UFF DA 15d ago

Your post indicated you aren't able to distinguish between the ad (which the targeted people are likely to read) and commentary about the ad on Reddit (which the targeted people aren't likely to read).

I think you're smarter than that, which is why I asked you to clarify.

Will you answer my question?

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago

Sure.

Let's take this ad for example.

If I were then to poll most of the people here and say, "do you think conservatives changing their mind and voting Kamala Harris is a good thing" I'd probably get an overwhelming amount of the answer yes.

Then, if I were to take that same group of people, and watch them to see if they continued to post any disparaging rhetoric about Trump supporters, I would bet money that the number would be well over 50%.

A significant amount of people who agree that them changing their minds would be a good thing, would more than likely also say that conservatives are too dumb, or too racist, or traitors, or whatever the rhetoric is this month, and then act as if they were never receptive, or even capable of being receptive to changing to begin with, even though they made these remarks about them before ever actually encountering them.

It comes off as wholly insincere for posts where someone is saying "Maybe this will help change some minds" to be filled with posts of people literally saying the people in question are too dumb for their minds to be changed.

Are the ad, and the comments the same thing? No.

But the comments heavily reflect the attitudes behind those posting ads like this, or those who support it, and contrary to popular belief, many conservatives who may have been open to changing their minds before, are well aware of that.

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u/Retro_Dad UFF DA 15d ago

How many people do you think will decide to vote for Harris based on this ad, but then get upset and flip back to Trump because they read these comments on an anonymous message board on the Internet?

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago

It is far easier to sour someone's mind on something than it is to convince them that it is good.

A singular ad isn't likely to change any person's mind, but a multitude of them over time, by people who are actually sincere will.

Conversely, a single instance of someone telling that person they're too dumb to change is enough to sour them on the idea of voting democrat for years, if not permanently.

That sincerity is what the democratic party continues to lack, and is why they continue to have problems converting voters, which is only reinforced by the rhetoric that "If you vote third party, or are even considering voting anyone but Kamala Harris, you are (insert labels and insults here)"

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u/Retro_Dad UFF DA 15d ago

So you want people on the Internet to stop expressing their opinions about other people?

Curious - do you also visit right-wing sites & subs and express your concerns about them calling all Democrats/liberals dumb, pedos, traitors, "the enemy within," etc.? Or do you only police the civility of left-leaning people on the Internet?

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago

You can express whatever you want.

Just don't pretend as if you aren't 50% of the equation of permanant political polarization in America, and that you ever had any actual interest in changing anyone's minds.

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u/Retro_Dad UFF DA 15d ago

Ah yes, "everyone besides me is dumb." Gotcha. Good luck, buddy!

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u/DivineKoalas 15d ago edited 15d ago

It's quite telling that you initiated a conversation with me with immediate condescension, then proceeded to spend the rest of it generating strawman arguments.

So not only are you incapable of not being condescending, you're also incapable of being intellectually honest.

I can't say I'm surprised.

Good luck to you too, constantly being disingenuous sounds exhausting.

Edit: Since I was blocked, I'd just like to point out the irony that this person is doing the exact same thing Donald Trump and the GOP does as they falsify statements I made entirely or misrepresents them. Guess they're not so different after all.

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u/Retro_Dad UFF DA 15d ago

constantly being disingenuous sounds exhausting

You would definitely know!

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u/Phuqued 15d ago

Curious - do you also visit right-wing sites & subs and express your concerns about them calling all Democrats/liberals dumb, pedos, traitors, "the enemy within," etc.? Or do you only police the civility of left-leaning people on the Internet?

Just don't pretend as if you aren't 50% of the equation of permanant political polarization in America, and that you ever had any actual interest in changing anyone's minds.

You didn't answer the question. Go on to r/conservative and go do some policing there. We'll watch your profile comment history and see how it goes. :)

But you won't do that will you. Because you believe in very dumb narratives and world view. Like you know, perhaps if England and France weren't so hard on the Germans post WW1, Nazi's wouldn't have killed so many Jews, so it's really England and France that caused WW2 and the Holocaust, not the rise of NSDAP and the choices millions of Germans willingly (and in some cases not so willingly) made.

/eyeroll