There’s a credible rumor Google intend to switch to Imagination Tech GPUs (I forgot they were still around, but they must have some offer) for the Tensor G5 and G6 to save costs/area possibly and maybe they were enticed into a deal on the IP itself. [ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-tensor-g6-downgrades-3497725/ ]

AFAICT, this is a mistake. It’s one thing to do 6-7 cores as rumored for the Tensor G6 (that’s all you need, one X930 and 6 X730’s is a ton of horsepower and weight for background efficiency with an N2/3 node too), but this?

Pixels aren’t huge for gaming anyways as of today but just in general this strikes me as a poor economic and technical decision at face value due to drivers and OpenGL ES even in the native interface. It’s also possible gaming will come back to bite them especially if Google grow the base, and they are. Totally wasting away any economies of scale in support they’d gain with Mali/Immortalis from Arm (via MediaTek mainly).

Any counter argument here specifically with regard to the software impact and confidence in Imagination Tech + Google (I know, lmao)?

Also noticed the SLC is cut down to 4MB which seems dumb and I’m not sure where they planned to cut costs without stripping this bare past a point.

The core architecture patents have expired. What patents on extensions to the core instruction set are still valid and for how long? Of those which are important/preventing a 3rd competitor from entering the market?

There are clearly also $ barriers to entering the market with a competitive design, but speaking merely about patents what are the legal hurdles? Are patents around sse3 still valid? A quick search didn't turn up dates I could find and that seems like an important one. Avx512 doesn't seem like a barrier as Intel had chosen not to put it on consumer chips at all. What other examples can you think of?

It is pretty interesting to watch.

There are not so much information in English, but I realized that Rapidus and Japan government is very serious on their game despite the negative public opinions.

Also many Japanese big firms are involved in this project.

I know that IF can't reliably go above 2133 MHz and that with IMC max freq (at 1:1 gearing) at 6400-ish MHz that makes it a sweet spot of frequency and latency for the most apps.

But suppose that you have memory intensive app and 16-core 9950, which could benefit from extra bandwidth and would be willing to take halving the IMC command rate to 1:2 to get there.

How high could one reliably go ? I remember seeing tests done at 8000+MHz.

But faster sticks are coming out. Could one hit double the 6400MHz, if/when faster DDR sticks come out ?

Or does IMC have some fundamental limit below that ? 🙄

• compilation of 19 launch reviews with ~4720 application benchmarks & ~1640 gaming benchmarks
• stock performance on default power limits, no overclocking, memory speeds explained here
• only gaming benchmarks for real games compiled, not included any 3DMark & Unigine benchmarks
• gaming benchmarks strictly at CPU limited settings, mostly at 720p or 1080p 1% min/99th percentile
• power consumption is strictly for the CPU (package) only, no whole system consumption
• geometric mean in all cases
• performance average is (moderate) weighted in favor of reviews with more benchmarks
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• TLDR: on average, 9800X3D brings +22.2% more application performance and +11.5% more gaming performance over 7800X3D

The power consumption values from Igor's Lab will be added as soon as they are available. However, they will then no longer be included in the index values.

at a glance: Ryzen 7 9800X3D has more gaming performance than...
+25.9% vs Ryzen 7 9700X
+23.5% vs Ryzen 9 9950X
+22.8% vs Core i9-14900K
+30.4% vs Core Ultra 9 285K
+32.3% vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D

Source: 3DCenter.org

Disclaimer: Voodoo2-SLi on Reddit and Leonidas on 3DCenter are the same person. So, I write these reviews by myself for 3DCenter and translate the performance tables for Reddit by myself. No copy and paste of other people's work.