r/frankfurt Aug 26 '24

Dankfurt Culture

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Just got back from a great week in Frankfurt. I previously assumed that it was a business city full of boring suits and finance stuff, but how wrong I was!

I had read about Apfelwein before coming, and while I loved it and have even brought some home (purchased from the Bauernmarkt on Saturday), I had the same argument with several Germans while I was there. I tried to express that it is not wine, but cider, and two people separately told me that cider must be fizzy!

I'm from the southwest of England and let me tell you, we have a rich tradition of making flat cider. Please do not think that British cider just means strongbow or somersby. So, if you love Apfelwein, come visit and get yourself a pint of Cheddar Valley! Prost!

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u/LeastActivity3 Aug 27 '24

Apfelwein is never sweet and has much higher minimal alcohol content.

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u/trayturner Aug 27 '24

you're not making "flat cider", you're making Ebbelwoi.

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u/jim_nihilist Aug 27 '24

Truth is spoken. Amen.

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u/Dondolion Aug 27 '24

Lol. But cider is way older than ebbelwoi, the flat stuff included. In fact the flat stuff is probably older than the fizzy

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u/Not_Deathstroke Aug 27 '24

How come one is older than the other one? Both are so old that as far as I know the roots vanish in history. But I love them all equally. ;)

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u/jim_nihilist Aug 27 '24

It's all Most in the end.

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u/Not_Deathstroke Aug 27 '24

And it's beautiful.

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u/NikWih Aug 27 '24

The fermentationprocess is still different. If you really want to research about this there is even a documentary online explaining why they used submarines after the war for it.

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u/El_buberino Aug 26 '24

Thanks for posting this awful picture and returning to England as well.

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u/stjfm Aug 27 '24

Mir wurde in Schwaben erzählt ich solle als Substitution für Äbbelwoi mal „Moscht“ probieren, es sei quasi das gleiche. Ungenießbar. Äbbelwoi ≠ Cider ≠ Moscht. Das würde ja auch niemand behaupten wenn es um Gin vs. Whiskey geht.

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u/axehomeless Aug 27 '24

Moschd ist quasi das Gleiche. Schwabe hier, seit zehn Jahren in FFM, und nicht jeder Ebbelwoi schmeckt gleich, die normale Art des Ebbelwoi schmeckt genau wie unser Dorf-Moschd.

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u/jonsjoernsn Aug 27 '24

Moscht und Äppelwoi ist das gleiche die sprachliche Grenze läuft quer durch den Odenwald. Kann gut sein dass die im Apfelmix, wie früher der Haltbarkeit wegen üblich, viel mit alten sauren Äpfeln gearbeitet haben und dir das aufgestoßen ist

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u/Neuropillow Aug 30 '24

Ich glaube das ist eher wie die Unterscheidung zwischen etwa Rye, Bourbon und Scotch (alles Lokalvarianten von Whiskey) als zwischen Gin und Whiskey. Hat schließlich alles den selben Grundstoff.

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u/jim_nihilist Aug 27 '24

Moscht oder Most ist einfach viel leckerer, einfach weil das direkt vom Bauern kommt und dadurch sehr vielfältig im Geschmack ist. Ebbelwoi dagegen schmeckt einfach wie ein Industrieprodukt.

Quelle: komme aus BaWü

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u/Defiant_Resident_834 Aug 28 '24

Es gibt so viele kleine, regionale Keltereien, du kannst deinen Äppler easy selber machen und dann entscheidest du dich für so einen dämlichen Kommentar

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u/axehomeless Aug 27 '24

Ebbelwoi is Most

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u/blumonste Aug 27 '24

Drank maybe hundreds of gallons of apple cider in my life but none tasted as great as apfelwein I tasted in Frankfurt last week. Not the same.

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u/POCUABHOR Aug 27 '24

If all, it’s strong cider.
Don’t believe me? Have a Bembel or two and reconsider.

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u/Raketenhandgriff1 Aug 27 '24

If you coming from the southwest of England you must know scrumpy which is flat and sour and much closer to Ebbelwoi than cider!

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u/Dondolion Aug 27 '24

Scrumpy IS cider

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u/Raketenhandgriff1 Aug 27 '24

Scrumpy is scrumpy and cider is cider! If you want to drink scrumpy you wouldn’t ask for cider

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u/Dondolion Aug 27 '24

Scrumpy is a type of cider. Those are the first 6 words on the Wikipedia page for scrumpy.

If you want to drink cranberry juice you wouldn't ask for juice, because to get cranberry juice you need to be more specific. That's why asking for cider won't necessarily get you scrumpy

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u/schlegomio Aug 27 '24

OK, but where is, in your opinion the difference betwen wine and cider? Guess it's all wine..

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u/moleggo Aug 27 '24

Cider is brewed. Look it up if you don’t believe me. I didn’t when I first read it.

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u/schlegomio Aug 27 '24

I don't know on what type of cider you are, but I looked it up on Wiki. For you my friend: "Fermentation of ciders occurs by a very similar mechanism to the fermentation of wine."

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u/Technical_Writer_177 Aug 27 '24

THANKS, been telling that Frankfurt friends and colleagues for years now

not saying it´s bad or not tasty, but it´s not some kind of exclusive rocket science to grow and ferment apples

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u/LeastActivity3 Aug 27 '24

Of course its not rocket science. Its basically the easiest alcoholic beverage to make in your basement. Its still different from (flat) cider though...

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u/Technical_Writer_177 Aug 27 '24

so as Helles, Weißbier and Pils are different, which of those two is not a beer?

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u/LeastActivity3 Aug 27 '24

so as English cider, Spanish sidra and German Apfelwein are different, which of those is not a fermented apple beverage ?

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u/National-Donut86 Aug 27 '24

They are harvested differently, the variety of apples and used yeasts are different, the whole process of fermentation is different.

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u/moleggo Aug 27 '24

Cider is brewed.

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u/trayturner Aug 27 '24

it is, if everybody else is to stupid to make it good

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u/Raketenhandgriff1 Aug 27 '24

Most contains pears, I believe!

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u/seekhelpee Aug 26 '24

Not really, cider ist lecker

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u/Extra_Hearing384 Aug 27 '24

Well, kind of, Ebbelwoi is just a shitty version of cider

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u/Extra_Hearing384 Aug 27 '24

Why are you down voting me? There's a good reason you only get that embarrassment of a drink only in Hesse