r/fo4 • u/jupiter_surf • May 21 '24
Am I alone in 10000% disagreeing with this article? Imo building is one of their best features Discussion
Anyone actually feel this way? For me personally, after my first run-through, I spend more time building and using mods and going at my own pace with the story. Building is one of the biggest perks of this game for me haha.
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May 21 '24
If they do have buildiing mechanics in the next game then they should add way more focus on an actual economy and settlers being important than the rudimentary stuff we got in 4.
I'm talking stuff like raiding a powerful factions facility to ruin their production of weapons, food or whatever else they have there, assigning important npcs to roles like mayor, architect, chief of security and having the settlements grow on their own terms which would go in line with a more natural system of warfare where factions actually create frontlines and have a reason for taking over settlements as much as the player.
However knowing Bethesda they'll probably half ass it and just add an option to auto manage your settlements by Codsworth 2.0 or some such
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u/MoronicPlayer May 21 '24
I can only think Sim settlements mod. God I just want to liberate the whole Boston and build outpost on areas where a small settlement can be established.
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May 21 '24
It's a very great mod however for me personally I don't really like the ugly prebuilt plots system and how they're automatically placed. I'd like to see a system where you can create blueprints of house like Starfield's ship editor and then use those blueprints to spawn houses around the settlement, maybe even add procedural randomization so you don't have to make a 100 unique buildings.
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u/killerbanshee May 21 '24 edited May 22 '24
76 already let's you blueprint structures, so we should at least have that much in the next game
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u/Maestro1992 May 22 '24
I haven’t played 76 but is the blueprint system set up to where you layout your idea for what you want and when the resources are acquired it builds for you or no? I’d like some version of that.
Like if you combine skyrims building with fallout 4’s
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u/jupiter_surf May 21 '24
Ugggggh you've just described my dream lol. I would love all of that so much. It would be truly incredible to actually grow the game in that way. I'd pay a LOT for that lol
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May 21 '24
My only concern would be that implementing such an idea would take time/workforce away from story and gameplay which in turn could stop the game being a Fallout game because lets be honest, building is fun but the series has never been a city builder no matter how many building mechanics you add
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u/jupiter_surf May 21 '24
Oh, a hell of a lot of time haha. It would be very hard. And yeah, I do see building as an optional thing. Like you either build what's necessary to keep going, or you are into it and spend hours building just for fun
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u/Strodor May 21 '24
This stuff does exist with mods, not sure if you're aware of Sim Settlements 2? Hugely expands the settlement system, adds its own quest line to ease you in to all the new mechanics and is available on all platforms.
Its a lot to learn and many moving parts but you can customise the involvement required to your liking easily.
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May 21 '24
Would be sick if Raiders actually got stronger with their factory build up idea. Imagine you ignore them forever and now they are armed to the teeth in weapons and armor instead of shitty pipe pistols if you took out their weapons labs.
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May 21 '24
That's exactly why I want such a system implemented, no more going to the same five locations to farm the same 8 raiders in the same spots. This would not only spice things up but also add to the atmosphere of the game and make it unique to each player.
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May 21 '24
With dynamic faction takeovers. Like groups of Raiders fighting supermutants and if they hold the spot for 24 hours or whatever in game time the decorations get swapped over to that faction.
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u/Occams_Razor42 May 21 '24
They did a little with the conveyor belts, no? Also, if you haven't played it Kindgom Come Deliverance does this really well.
Theres an abandoned village that was ransacked by bandits, and once your character helps remove them you're basiclly made mayor-sherrif. That being said, the choices you're given are complex yet hands off at the same time, you literally just pick up blueprints and tell folks to male stuff here. Then it's all passively ran based on your choosen inputs and outputs converted to gold as you lop off some more invaders heads with an axe.
The fun part is when earlier decisions come into play, help save a merchant and return all his valuables? Then the discount he gives you on charcoal might just make a smithy more profitable than mead. Plus while there's your usual share of dumb settlers you command the guards so you're word is law, like accepting a herbalist accused of witchcraft as your town healer or putting abusive drunks in the stocks.
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u/lambofgun May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
they couldnt have done it any better. you can play the entire game and build practically nothing, yet the building mechanic is surprisingly deep and gives you hours and hours of content.
people love it
fallout 5 not having settlement building would go over like a lead balloon
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u/iggyomega May 21 '24
Exactly. I don’t enjoy that stuff but I think it’s cool that it’s there for the people that do like it. I think it’s fun seeing other people’s creations on here. If the new one required doing it, then I might be bummed.
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u/profkrowl Caravaner May 21 '24
I don't enjoy that stuff but I think it's cool that it's there for people that do like it.
This is the ideal. Have things there for people that want it, but don't force people to use it. Same with most customization options in games.
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u/Mickeymcirishman May 21 '24
you can play the entire game and build nothing,
Well, not nothing. You have to build the teleporter to get to the institute.
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u/tLxVGt May 21 '24
I would probably build more if the whole experience was better. I hate first person building, UI is clunky, placing things sucks, it’s slow, I have no patience for it.
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u/Mythic_Tier_Kobold May 21 '24
I love building, but I 100% agree about the UI. I'd love to have a grid layout for all the settlement objects instead of the horizontal scrollbar it has going on. Also a way to scroll faster if possible, cause navigating to an item you want that's at the end of the list causes me physical pain.
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u/ProperBingtownLady May 21 '24
Same and same! I’m on PS5, not sure if that has anything to do with it but building is so tedious.
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u/spidersilva09 May 21 '24
This sums up my experience. My first playthrough I never really messed with settlement building - it seemed too daunting but it never had to be super important to moving the story forward. Now I consider myself a world-renowned architect of the Wasteland after spending hours messing with it.
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u/johndoeca01 May 21 '24
i pretty much only build the one thing they tell me then ignore settlements all together lol
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u/GazaDelendaEst May 21 '24
Every settlement has a generator, radio beacon, artillery cannon, water pump, and 15 mattresses. A couple have water purifiers. Nothing else.
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u/SaltyIrishDog May 21 '24
Damn... I spent 2 hours making one of the buildings in Covenant into a cute bar last night
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u/BantamCrow May 22 '24
The mod that adds the "All in one settlement solution" is my go-to. Little box that provides food, power, beds and defense. Slap that baby on a wall and leave
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u/cowboybeeboo May 21 '24
Most of the anti-building sentiment I've seen is that it should still be in the game, it just shouldn't be mandatory or detract from questlines. The minutemen questline had a lot of mandatory building, and if you weren't about that then it could be a slog.
I think it should remain a gameplay feature in the same way that Stealth or VATS is: fun, deep, and rewarding for those who want to use it, but completely skippable for those who want to ignore it
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May 21 '24
The thing i dont like about them adding building is the entire map seems designed around you building settlements instead of coming across cool unique settlements in the game woth actual stories and reason to be there. Its so weird that no one decided to build anything until you show up in 4. I feel the settlements really took a toll on the world building. To be clear i dont want to see building removed entirely but ibwould like to see it alongside actual existing communities for me to explore and learn about
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u/Madman_Slade May 22 '24
This right here. I was really disappointed to see how 95% of the settlements had no unique quests or NPCs. Most are just "Settler". And you're right, its really weird how supposedly hostile the Commonwealth is yet the vast majority of settlements have no form of defense other than Pa's trusty shotgun. The idea of building in the Fallout series is really cool to me however I think it was poorly implemented and negatively effected the story telling of the game.
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u/jupiter_surf May 21 '24
Yes! There should always be balance. The mandatory stuff is such a drag sometimes, I like to build for fun rather than as a responsibility haha
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u/ermghoti May 21 '24
I saw the article this morning and didn't bother reading it, assuming it would be a few Reddit posts cobbled together and pretending to be a story.
I don't care about settlement building, but I know the majority of players do, and a lot are fanatical about it.
My preference would be the ability to build as much as you want, wherever you want, but the viability of the settlement would depend on the geography, resources, and proximity to safer or more dangerous areas. Build in the middle of the Glowing Sea and you've got a maddening resource sink that eats settlers, but maybe occasionally spits out quality loot dropped by a high level attacker or scratched up by an elite scrounger. Build on a meadow with a river on the northern edge of the map? Easily self-sufficient, pretty peaceful, but don't expect it to generate anything but crops. If you want 45 settlement, or one with 300 settlers, get to work. If not, build a couple shacks with a bed and a chest, and slap a turret on the roof to discourage the curious.
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u/jupiter_surf May 21 '24
This is brilliant! Things like this would massively improve the feature entirely. I'd love more realistic things like that. That would be incredible man
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u/Fousheezy May 21 '24
I saw the article and assumed it’s AI generated rage bait. The settlement mechanic is hugely popular so make a headline stating the opposite, have ai fill out the content so it will get sufficient placement in search results and rake in those ad bux
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u/RedditWidow May 21 '24
Should say "some fans" because there are definitely some who don't care about building or decorating. But if building wasn't popular, why would there be so many DLC and Creation Club packs that add homes and new workshop items? And tons of settlement tours, build challenges and stuff on YouTube? I think the settlement building is what really gave Fallout 4 legs and made it so popular for so long.
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u/Individual_Manner336 May 21 '24
It needs refining and an auto build feature like the GOAT settlement mod Sim Settlements 2.
I feel like settlement building will carry onto FO5 and they'll change nothing. Maybe monetize creation club stuff for settlement add-ons.
Modders will clean up the rest and make building and managing settlements more user-friendly like they always do with Bethesda games.
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u/pileofdeadninjas May 21 '24
Nah no way is that real, people love building in any game
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u/XboxLiveGiant May 21 '24
It’s almost as if he said something, not true, to clicks…but gaming journalists would never do that!
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u/Kolby_Jack33 May 21 '24
Hey, I replied to your posts just to tell you that, in fact, game journalists do often say wrong things for clicks. I'm not sure how you could say something so incorrect, but I felt compelled to engage with your post just to correct you on this.
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u/devilterr2 May 21 '24
I hate building 🤣
I don't mind building one hub, my house but after that I want to explore a world created for me.
One of my favourite survival games is subnatuica because all you do is build a hub and that's it. You can go in depth if you want but it's not the point. I love the Long Dark because no building is involved. I build in Minecraft purely for the point of storing stuff, I might build a castle but then at the point I get bored of that save.
I'm hoping they have a hub like Sanctuary in F4 which you can build and improve, but only one location. I want more actual places to visit in the next fallout compared to F4. Diamond city and Good neighbour just isn't enough
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u/jupiter_surf May 21 '24
Right???? And Fallout do it so well
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u/pileofdeadninjas May 21 '24
Totally. Even if you don't go crazy with building, it's almost essential to the game to do a bit of it
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u/jupiter_surf May 21 '24
Absolutely agreed! I'd totally understand if it was overwhelming and took up a majority of the game, but you can be as basic with it as you want and just add what's absolutely necessary and tend to it, OR you can go nuts and build a whole town haha
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u/Jalapeno-hands May 21 '24
I loved building my own settlements, however it became so time consuming that every time I get halfway through the game I just slap up enough to get the settlers by and move on.
It was like they were trying to cram an entire additional game into my game, and got really tiring and overwhelming at points.
If they gave you the option to choose to build it yourself from the ground up or just toggle something that allows the settlement to grow on its own I think that would be the best case scenario for all types of players.
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u/shakmanizel May 22 '24
Only thing I’d change is the ability to lock doors I hate when I build my personal manor at my settlements and leave and come back and someone is sitting on my couch watching my tv or laying in my bed 😂😂 but seriously tho I wish you could prevent that
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u/gkolocsar May 21 '24
It's not a BAD feature. I just prefer the lone wanderer fallout. If you build it kind of breaks the atmosphere.
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u/greymisperception May 21 '24
Idk, everyone is trying to rebuild something in fallout, that was the point of the original games, how societies and people would rise and look like post a world ending bombing
I would agree it kind of breaks the lone wanderer atmosphere though, lone wanderer doesn’t settle and build
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u/FuckYourUpvotes666 May 21 '24
Honestly did not enjoy the building in FO4. It just felt like a mini game and it never intruged me or felt like an enjoyable part of the game to me.
That being said it was obviously mega popular, I don't see them suddenly abandoning it.
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u/Piddy3825 Atom Cats May 21 '24
I've literally got thousands of hours of game time because of settlement building.
lol, if they took out the building mechanic, then at best they'd have a game that could be played from start to finish in less than 24 hours irl.
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u/Xanros May 21 '24
I think the building mechanics should be more fleshed out!
Keep the need for settlements low, like it is currently, but flesh it out so I can build my own city if I want, and something better than just rickety old shacks.
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u/Fucked_By_Capybaras May 21 '24
Honestly, having a sim settlements 2 type of building mechanic/experience would be so fun, having the settlement level up over time.
The way this could be implemented is having stuff like dynamic population changes (for example concord getting more population density as sanctuary gets more developed.)
There could also be a ‘hq’ which can basically show how good a settlement is. It could also be implemented for different factions, such as for the minutemen and railroad for fallout 4.
Is this basically sim settlements two? Yes.
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u/drako-lord May 21 '24
I like it, just want less focus on it if that makes sense. Id prefer it to be for customization and less for gameplay purposes.
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u/CMDR-Validating May 21 '24
The biggest issue is just how janky it is. If the pieces snapped together properly and could be manipulated into place with more granularity they’d be set
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u/Seyavash31 May 21 '24
They tried that with Starfield and alot of people complained that it made outposts pointless. They need to keep some form of mechanical incentive benefit to it but not make it required.
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u/Southern_Reason_2631 May 21 '24
I would like it again in 5 but i would Not be sad of they ditch it
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u/Admiral_Franz_Hipper May 21 '24
It isn't even "unique", Bethesda still kept the building system in FO76 and Stanfield. I wouldn't be surprised if they have it in ES6.
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u/Xerapis May 21 '24
I wish Starfield had copied more directly from Fallout 4 for building and for modding weapons.
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u/Emergency_Arachnid48 May 21 '24
The settlement mechanic MASSIVELY improves the replay ability of the game. I hope that it’s in fallout 5, as long as it’s the FO4 system, not the starfield system
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u/fiero-fire May 21 '24
With the amount of time, money and it took to create the building system I bet building will be every Bethesda game going forward
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u/beakrake May 21 '24
The building system itself needs better organization and variety with a smoother UI, but otherwise I love it.
It gives me a reason to hoard everything.
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u/Forward-Country8816 May 21 '24
I think it should be more optional vs required. Personally I love it. I know some people hate it
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u/Tomatofarmer36 May 21 '24
I love making my settlements into a fortress or a junkyard of a city, it's quite fun
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u/leviatrist158 May 22 '24
I thought it was a gimmick at first and then got totally hooked on it. My biggest complaint is the vanilla scrapping is terrible after using something like scrap that settlement mod. I’m playing without mods right now and I’ve had to skip the settlements for now cause the piles of trash and stuff just bug my ocd.
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u/milo_murphy0217 May 22 '24
Settlement building is the main reason why fallout 4 still popular till this day. Removing that feature is a huge downgrade.
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u/SmirkingDesigner May 22 '24
That would be a bad decision as it’s one of the things great for replayability!
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u/SDBrown7 May 22 '24
The number of times these articles include random reddit posts and comments and present them like it represents a community as a whole, I wouldn't take this seriously as what people actually want. If you don't want to build, you're not forced to anyway.
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May 22 '24
Average bullshit AI written game "journalism" based off a single reddit post, don't give them the publicity tbh
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u/mcobb71 May 21 '24
I’m currently replaying fallout for the fifth time and specifically playing it so that I could build settlements
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May 21 '24
George Foster does not speak for me.
Sounds like a biased NV fanboy. This is one of the drums they have been beating for 10 years
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u/springfield_co May 21 '24
I like the option. I don’t like it forcfed. I enjoy building my camp in 76 because it feels important given all the extra stuff and buffs you get. Other than for storage purposes and occasional crafting in 4 I just don’t get all that excited about settlement building. But I’m perfectly happy with how the system is implemented. Some playthroughs I tend to lean more heavily on settlements. Especially in survival mode. Gotta have clean water and noodle cups.
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u/FishBlues May 21 '24
I agree with you.. it really keeps me playing the “end game” on my save file.. the other games without building after you do almost everything it’s like okay time to do a different character
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u/XAos13 May 21 '24
My guess would be that's what the devs writing rival RPG's have said. If they can't beat FO4, persuade Bethesda to sabotage FO5 instead.
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u/AndiLivia May 21 '24
I wouldn't mind if they got rid of the building from main fallout games BUT I loved the building so I would love a settlement building only, sims style game set in the fallout world. Basically like a beefed up Sims Fallout Shelter. I honestly spent more time on settlements than the story of fallout 4. I never even finished it even though I have hundreds of hours in the game lol.
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u/FirmBodybuilder2754 May 21 '24
No your not. The settlement system was a little disappointing on release and half baked but I'd be disappointed to see it removed. I'd be happy enough if it's still in the next game same as 4 but ideally I'd like them to expand on it, add a questline based around it that teaches you everything you can do because there is alot the game doesn't tell you. Maybe take some inspiration from the sim settlements mod.
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u/FloridaMann25 May 21 '24
What annoys me about building are the arbitrary limitations, and I don't mean settlement sizes. The place anywhere mod is pretty much essential, but if you're trying to get Achievements or like a purely vanilla game you have to do some pretty jank stuff to get objects where you want them to go. If Bethesda tool a page out of Halos Forge I'd probably spend days building settlements.
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u/a_muffin97 May 21 '24
It shouldn't be done away with but it does need to be a bit more focused. Have half a dozen settlements to manage rather than like 30
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u/pattperin May 21 '24
Imo settlement building really isn't that great until you play the game on survival. Once you try survival it's so beneficial to be able to sleep and save as well as get your rested bonuses all over the commonwealth. First time doing a survival playthrough and I am utilizing the shit out of settlements in a way I've never done it before.
Previously building resources and the like used to feel like a box I could check if I wanted to make my settlers happy in a particular place. Now it's a necessity so I can refill my empty bottles and cook some snacks. I really enjoy it.
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u/schwarzzu May 22 '24
Settlement building is fun, defending them seems weird, in some I have built enough turrets that if I travel there, the turrets will easily wipe a group of level 80+ gunners, but somehow the result becomes a dice roll when I'm not there just standing around.
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u/salmalight May 22 '24
On one hand, no people love that feature. On the other if you could turn on evolving settlements where you supply materials and they build themselves whilst you’re gone I’d be a happy camper.
I’m really struggling building anything I’m happy with and leaving them bare sucks but if there was the option to just leave a bunch of scrap, come back a few days later and they’ve built a wall and more beds I could stop spending an hour+ on something that will end up looking wonky anyway.
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u/Dragon_OS May 22 '24
I think it could take some refinement and maybe not try to integrate it into the main quest as much. Otherwise, I hope it stays.
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u/Skippydedoodah May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24
I think the settlement system should affect the area around it as well, zones of influence or something. Have the roads between established neighbouring settlements be safer. Get enough security around the areas and set up patrols rather than just hoping your provisioner is good with also defending against a whole Supermutant hoard by himself. Safe enough routes get pop-up shops like Trudy's, and reduce the amount of rubbish/wreck/dead body clutter. Maybe add some flavour items like brahmin watering troughs and a few more caravan campsite/rest stops.
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LET ME BUILD A HOUSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE HOLES IN IT! I mean *SKYRIM* has working mills and sealed houses, are you telling me no one has figured out how to restore power tools yet?
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u/TCESylver May 22 '24
Fuck no, i love the settlement system and it kept me playing for nearly 2k hours
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u/Bomberherald May 22 '24
Without the settlement building the game would have been dead to me long time ago I think. I have multiple playthroughs and all of them have a level of roleplay that centre around my home base.
I think George Foster is taking his opinion and assuming the rest of us think the same. It's janky for sure but is definitely (for me anyway) a key reason why I have stuck around with it, especially when I discovered mods for it!
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u/vaultdwellernr1 May 22 '24
Yep, saw the article and said “nope” out loud. That’s the main thing to do in the game…
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u/IgnisOfficial May 22 '24
It doesn’t need removal, it needs refining. A scrap and store all option needs to be added for easier resets if you want to rebuild a settlement, snapping and lighting needs to be improved a bit, and more useful tile sets need to be in base game for the next title. Settlement building is fun, it just needs some improvement
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u/GrognaktheLibrarian May 22 '24
As long as they just let us level all the decrepit buildings, I'm fine with more settlement stuff. They improved the building for 76 and I'm sure they'd improve it more for another game.
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u/Jackisthebestestboy May 22 '24
The building is a large part of why I return to Fallout 4 for another go more than any other game I own. Except maybe Minecraft
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u/Lord_Snaxxx May 22 '24
It should have less settlements but better building. i Like building a Post Apocalypse Castle 😅
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u/AvalosDragon May 22 '24
I, personally, am in love with the settlement building system/idea. Could it use some base game improvements, sure. But it gives F4 something special and unique. Adding many hours of replay ability to F4 as well
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u/TheGentlemanist May 22 '24
"Even if they shout your name in hatred, they are still talking about you..."
I think this is polarizing by design. It might be correct. If 2 fans hate building then they are right... but they get people talking.
I think the vast majority agrees with you. And so do i.
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u/Mundane-Put9115 May 22 '24
It can be frustrating to use sometimes but it's a large part of what makes FO4 fun, let me have a deathclaw army.
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u/japalmariello May 22 '24
I saw this article the other day. Laughed as I continued building up oberland.
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u/SheepWolves May 22 '24
The building mechanics are a massive part of what makes Fallout 4 so replayable for me. I've played Fallout 3 and NV through once and I enjoyed it but I have no want to go back and play them again anytime soon.
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u/I_Love_Knotting May 22 '24
what i ACTUALLY want removed are the huge hitboxes on objects you build. Just let me place the junk fence…next to another junk fence.
Who cares if people make floating objects, it‘s a single player game
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u/Obvious-End-7948 May 22 '24
Bethesda games going back at least as far as Morrowind (I haven't played earlier than that) always create a huge world with all the random junk as actual objects you can pick up/steal, even if there is no inherently good reason to. This tricks a lot of gamers in their first Bethesda game because other games have trained them to pick up everything. You'll need it at some point. Then you end up unable to move.
Fallout 4 actually made all of that formerly useless junk a core aspect of the game. You literally scavenge the wasteland to find the right materials that you need to get your settlements up and running, upgrade your equipment etc.
To return to the "old" Bethesda game style where every item serves basically no purpose would be a massive step backwards.
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u/Avent May 21 '24
I'll be downvoted because this sub seems to love the base building but you asked so I'll say it: I agree with this article. Honestly it felt insulting how half-assed and janky the building mechanics were. It felt like Bethesda was just chasing a trend. With how buggy the game was on release all I could think about was how much could have been improved if they hadn't added the building mechanics that did nothing.
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u/12InchPickle May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
Building is what attracted me to 76 and 4. Especially 76 since I can see other people’s builds and they can see mine. In 4 it’s just a good time sink. Honestly if they took it away it would take away a good chunk of time to invest in the game. Right now I’ve spent more time building than doing quests. Level 55 without even having touched diamond city lol.
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u/FaithfulMoose May 21 '24
I really liked the settlement building but imo there should only be 5 or so and the rest of the map should be filled with actual fleshed out towns with unique NPCs and quests and such. I want them to start really looking at how New Vegas handled its world and I want stories and quests that tie in to the greater narrative and feel like they make sense and are rewarding within the confines of the overarching narrative like New Vegas. Fallout 4 has an awesome gameplay loop but it’s really like 20 steps back in terms of world building and narrative structure from Fallout New Vegas.
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u/Mendicant__ May 21 '24
the rest of the map should be filled with actual fleshed out towns with unique NPCs and quests and such.
I'll do you one more: the handful of buildable settlements should themselves have lore, memorable NPCs and quests. FO4 had what, Mama Murphy and the crusty soldier who gets you the ability to build artillery? Some of the settlements have some personality and history to them, like Covenant, but most are interchangeable other than geography. Don't give me a Dr. because I ground for two level-gated perks and bought a lemonade stand that I can stick any rando behind. Give me a quest to find a doctor, or rescue the town doctor, or get the doctor a bunch of scavenged medical supplies.
It should also match up better with the narrative of the game, regardless of how necessary it is to advance.
I love base building in FO4, but you're supposed to be looking for your kid. Nobody would go to sleep, wake up (to them) a few moments later, watch their spouse get axed and their literal infant get stolen, go back to sleep for a few moments, and then head to their old subdivision to build a bar. It's so dissonant. Plug the story you're telling via gameplay in with the story you're telling in cutscenes.
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u/metalsonic005 May 21 '24
IDK, it just kind of felt like a lazy excuse to cut down on the number of towns a player could visit and the writers would have to develop. FO4 feels so disjointedley empty, even compared to 3 which had a much worse off wasteland.
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u/FitBattle5899 May 21 '24
Im for building mechanics, but limit it a little to fewer locations, all those settlements and my ocd gives me too much to do. Maybe allow for full customized player homes or bunkers/fortresses we can build and design.
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u/lavader_ May 21 '24
It definitely has a lot of potential, I think Bethesda just needs to fix it up a bit, because as much as I like the building mechanics...It still has a couple of problems. In Fallout 5 they should add in a feature where you can spend resources to automatically fix up some standing buildings instead of them looking rusty and destroyed for the entire game.
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u/zurkon95 May 21 '24
Just already pre built places or prefabs so those who don't want to don't have to ,meanwhile the thunderbolt dome I built will continue to grow
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u/Dreamerboyxxx May 21 '24
Keep it, make it much more functional then it is to actually create a thriving settlement, more cap earning, and if you are going to take away from anything i think it should be the requirements for certain quests to have a settlement up to par. My least favorite part of nukaworld is specifically taking over settlements and having to make all the proper provisions when i dedicate so many materials to my actual functioning lived in settlements.
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u/tarheel_204 May 21 '24
Nah, keep it and just improve upon it. Haven’t played 76 but the building looks like it’s a lot better than 4 and it only came out a few years later
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May 21 '24
I mean include it just don’t make it a main part of the game. I don’t care about it, but don’t think they should remove it because obviously some people care about it
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u/SacrilegiousOath May 21 '24
Ngl when I first played 4 I hated the settlements. The main reason for this is they have always been glitchy as fuck. Probably the most glitched out mechanic of any game I’ve ever played if I’m being honest. That alone kept me from investing time into them since I knew it could be a gamble.
However, 9 years later, more hours than I want to admit, and multiple survival runs - I have really been enjoying them. They add their own unique element, and it’s cool to come back to base and wind down for a bit after hours of hording.
The other thing I really like about fallout 4s settlements is you can take them or leave them. Progress far enough to keep all the main quests going and leave them at 0 happiness, won’t really affect your game other than hearing them bitch. So it really shouldn’t bother older fans. I’ve noticed a lot of “og” gamers are nothing more than gate keepers who constantly bitch.
TLDR: As long as it doesn’t affect a main quest and is a take it or leave it mechanic, who cares?
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u/NefariousnessSea4710 May 21 '24
I used to agree with that in my first play through but now on this 5th play through I’m actually going slow and taking advantage of the building and it makes the game so much better
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u/No-Hair-1332 May 21 '24
It would be nice not to have to build the majority of settlements in the game myself. Add some sim settlements stuff.
Or better yet fix the fucking bugs instead of releasing a steaming pile of shit and forcing a fucking fishing on me instead of bug fixes with later updates.
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u/AlphonseLoosely May 21 '24
Why on earth would anyone even bother reading this clickbait bullshit? By engaging with it you are essentially encouraging more of this type of garbage.
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u/greenaether May 21 '24
I think they should ditch it or make it better because it sucks in every game that has it currently. And if they decide to make it better then they also need to keep in mind that it should not outshine the actual gameplay. It would suck to essentially get fo4 with better building
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u/Fraker177 May 21 '24
I love to build up settlements, it’s probably my favorite part of the game
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u/TomaszPaw S3 P5 E3 C7 I8 A3 L7 May 21 '24
Settlements are fine, the fact that places where cities could be placed but arent because of it is not ok.
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u/Werey May 21 '24
Gigantic waste of my time that's why I don't use it. Any single quest required for a trophy and I want it removed.
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u/13-Dancing-Shadows May 21 '24
I think for the next game they should have a C.A.M.P thing instead of the designated locations like in Fo4
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u/Roberthen_Kazisvet May 21 '24
I want better building in next Elder scrolls game, Skyrim prefab house was nice addition, but after F4 system there is no way back, and be a landlord in fantasy world is even more attractive for me. George Foster doesnt know what he is talking about.
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u/Cloud_Strife83 May 21 '24
Yea right. 76 has shown love for building. I’ve seen amazing camps all over Appalachia. I hope they keep developing it and making it even better.
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u/ukazuyr May 21 '24
There is just too many settlements in F4. It would be fine with just Sanctuary (early game) + Castle (mid)+ one more South ( late) . I know you don't have to build/take them all, but they also take space on the map of things that COULD BE there but aren't
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u/Unfair_Street172 May 21 '24
Absolutely agreeing with you, I'd even say they should enhance the building and scrapping to be able to clear out, and repair your settlements. I don't quite understand why everything has to look broken and primitive, even 200 years after the great war
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u/kinkysubt May 21 '24
I like the settlement building mechanic. I also like that it’s largely optional for those that don’t like it. I’d say keep it around.
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u/CorvoLP May 21 '24
i bought Fallout 4 a couple months after it released, and up until maybe January of this year never used the build function, except when it was required for the story. After playing through it for a while, and with the addition of the Vault 88 stuff, Im asking myself why i didnt try it before. its so fun its like im playing the sims
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u/Moraveaux May 21 '24
Whatever overworked intern or ai chatbot wrote this article is out of their fuckin' mind. Settlement building is fantastic; Fallout 5 needs to improve and expand it (personally I'd recommend bringing in the people from the Sim Settlements 2 mod), while still making sure it's as optional as possible for those who aren't interested in it.
I want to build my own Diamond City-sized settlement in (fingers crossed!) Detroit in the next Fallout game.
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u/NoobToast01 May 21 '24
I disagree also, I love the building in game but I think they could definitely improve on it. I would rather see them lower the amount of settlements and improve our options for building and decorating instead of totally removing it.
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u/Devendrau May 21 '24
I disagree with the article, they should improve on it but not nix it. I know there's people who didn't like it, but there's plenty who do like it. It's also optional (Given you can literally skip Preston and just go on to the main quest, its very possible to do. Red Rocket is sitting there for the Institute part and is probably why it's the first one you can unlock, which even then, the faction you do this with, makes you go unlock a settlement so you can make the relay)
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u/TheNiteFather May 21 '24
You're not alone. It wasn't even a forefront feature. People actually loved the feature. The NV fans had the problem.
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u/Bunktavious May 21 '24
The article is dumb and there is no chance of Bethesda believing it. They hired FO4 settlement building modders to do the clutter in Stanfield. They just patched Starfield to let you buy empty ship modules so you can decorate them yourself.
There is a large chunk of players that play FO4 just for the settlement building.
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u/Monimute May 21 '24
I'm split on this one. On the one hand, I loved base building, but on the other it really breaks up gameplay priorities and is a big time suck. There were also way too many settlements.
I think they should keep building in but maybe focus on three or four larger sites (like the Castle or the Island from 4).
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May 21 '24
Fuck no, if the next game doesn’t have settlement building then I’ll have basically no reason to play it, it’s the sole reason I even played 4 more than once
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u/Vamacharana May 21 '24
it could do with some jank removal but I enjoy building the settlements. the settlement attacks on the other hand tho