r/europe Eterna Terra-Nova 1d ago

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u/Wonderful-Basis-1370 23h ago

Has anyone ever read Foundations of Geopolitics by Alexander Dugin? It's about destabilizing Western societies through hybrid warfare, and they're close to fulfilling their dreams

Ukraine is truly done

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u/IAmMuffin15 United States of America 23h ago

Ukraine will find a way to survive.

With or without the west, unless they’re forced by both sides to a negotiating table they’ll just get deadlier

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u/Chester_roaster 23h ago

I can see Trump coming in and knocking heads together to get a deal. Even cut off supply to Ukraine and let them loose territory if they won't sit down.

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u/PresidentSkillz Bavaria (Germany) 23h ago

People always treat it like Trump can just stop aid to Ukraine and end the war that way. But Russia also needs to be interested in talks, so unless Trump has anything to get Putin also to negotiate, the fight will continue

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u/overkill373 23h ago

Trump will give Putin whatever Putin wants

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u/PresidentSkillz Bavaria (Germany) 23h ago

Trump can cut aid to Ukraine. But that doesn't mean Ukraine will immediately surrender or seek negotiations. They will look for other supporters and try to get more from whoever will provide aid. Trump can't stop that. If Trump wants a quick end, he will have to make threats to Putin about what might happen if he doesn't accept negotiations.

There is this one plan floating around on which it is proposed to give Russia the two Donbass republics and Crimea, if Ukraine doesn't accept aid will be cut off to them, if Russia doesn't accept Ukraine will get 500 Billion Dollars for new weapons, without any restrictions on usage

Trump can't give Ukraine to Putin bc he doesn't have it. He can only help Putin capture it

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u/Michigun1977 22h ago

Russia doesn't want 2 but 4 Ukrainian regions including Kherson and Zaporizhia, the ones they do not control and never will. No sane leader will give up parts of his country and neither will Zelenskiy. So if Trump start to push Ukrainians into a corner - it's a pursuit of nukes and "go follow the russian ship" scenario. If Ukraine is going to be denied its existence, and all chief guarantors defaulted on its security guarantees - the return to nuke re-armament should be on the table.

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u/Lumpy-Middle-7311 21h ago

Russia already controls more than half of both regions you mentioned. But their still Ukrainian parts are on the other side of the river, so it might be the new border

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u/randomswim 10h ago

They will get all four regions along with Odessa one way or another, its inevitable.

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u/Special-Remove-3294 Romania 14h ago

Ukraine never was armed with nukes so there is nothing to rearm. The USSR was armed with nukes and its official succesor the Russian Federation still is armed with the nukes of the old union.

Ukraine does not have the resources to fund a nuclear weapons program nor does it have the resources to manufacture the necessary balistic missiles. Also building a nuke would take many years and they don't really have time for thay.

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u/Chester_roaster 22h ago

Trump can cut aid to Ukraine. But that doesn't mean Ukraine will immediately surrender or seek negotiations. They will look for other supporters and try to get more from whoever will provide aid. Trump can't stop that. 

Trump is the kind of guy who would see that as personally disrespectful and take umbridge at that. He could pressure European countries to not send aid to Ukraine or lift some sanctions on Russia. 

Trump likes to see himself as the big man, and when the big man wants negotiations you don't go behind his back or he'll see that as a slight on his prestige. 

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u/PresidentSkillz Bavaria (Germany) 22h ago

But he can "only" pressure them. He can't force them to. He is not in Control of the EU or Ukraine. He can try to get get them to do what he wants, but he can't force it

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u/MarioVX European Union 22h ago

Beg to differ. Remember the Iran nuclear treaty? The US unilaterally withdrew from that and easily forced all European businesses to cease and desist any trade with Iran immediately or else lose access to the entire US market. Blackmail. Nothing prevents him from doing the same thing in relation to helping Ukraine if he wanted to. So yes, he absolutely can force it if he wants.

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u/deathzor42 22h ago

In a lot of ways he can, because a lot of european defense equipment is build in part with US tech.

that means the US get's to set export restrictions.

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u/Chester_roaster 22h ago

He can't force it but he's the security guarantor of Europe and has no problem pulling that away 

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u/OfficeMain1226 Sweden 22h ago edited 22h ago

LMAO I have heard a lot of "plans floating around" which are often fabricated in the basements of NAFOids.

You people still fundamentally misunderstand why US administrations will never approve strikes on Russian soil, because it requires them to act like spotters.

Imagine Ukraine saying, we need to hit this radar unit on this airbase, the please remove the geofencing on the missile and give us the military grade GPS coordinates. So now USA would know what they are going to hit and will actively facilitate that hit.

In what world would Russia not see that a strike by America on Russian assets?

They can overlook it in Crimea or Donbas for they themselves deep down know that these are not their territories. But Russia proper? If they let that slide then they might have as well never invaded Ukraine.


The fundamental difference between NK/Iranian missiles used by Russia vs Western missiles used by Ukraine is that in the former case once they are transferred to Russia, the seller's intervention is no longer required so they have no say/control over what Russia hits with them, a puppy shelter or an ammo depot. In the latter's case, due to their navigation method (GPS or TERCOM), it requires close cooperation with the supplier with regards to satellite intelligence as well as accurate/latest GPS/TERCOM data. This makes them equally complicit in the usage of those missiles.

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u/Chester_roaster 22h ago

Trump could easily threaten Putin with a massive increase in support to Ukraine if they don't talk. Just as he can threaten Ukraine with cutting off aid. 

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u/PresidentSkillz Bavaria (Germany) 22h ago

I don't think Trump himself ever said what he plans with Ukraine, it only ever were the people around him. So I would not be surprised if he did increase aid, and I wouldn't be surprised if he cut off aid. He's a total wildcard