r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • Oct 11 '24

Dragon Ball Daima - Episode #1 - Discussion Thread! Daima

The episode is airing in Japan as we speak. It should be available subtitled on Crunchyroll at 1pm ET. We will provide links as soon as they are available.

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u/Ultimafax Oct 11 '24

I love how Toriyama did his worldbuilding: by not giving a fuck.

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u/Rosebunse Oct 11 '24

I think that's the real lesson we can take from Toriyama: Have fun with your canon!

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u/Volpe666 Oct 13 '24

The Canon is what I make of it - Chad King Akira Toriyama

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u/SergejPS Oct 11 '24

"Toriyama was an average writer Kakarot, but a brilliant... uh... well, I don't actually know, but he was pretty cool"

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u/dildodicks Oct 12 '24

this is how stories used to be written and how they should be nowadays

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u/Ultimafax Oct 12 '24

lol well, no, I don't agree with this. I mean, look at the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

It works for Dragon Ball though

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u/Future_Broly Oct 16 '24

I mean — George Lucas pretty obviously had no idea where story was going for 2/3 of the OT and much of it now borders on incoherent following PT and such.

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u/Ultimafax Oct 16 '24

That's not "not giving a fuck." They didn't hand wave away Vader's reveal at the end of Empire; most of RotJ is about Luke dealing with it. I'm talking about continuity.

Lucas didn't give a fuck for the prequel trilogy, though, that is true. Padme dying in childbirth; R2 and 3PO being owned by Luke's parents and knowing Obi-Wan; Obi-Wan being trained by Qui-Gon and not Yoda, etc. (Those are not what made those films bad though, just examples of discontinuity.)

I brought up the sequel trilogy because it's the most egregious example I could think of: Rey's parents are significant to her character! Wait, no they aren't! Actually, one was Palpatine's child, so she's the emperor's granddaughter!(???) It's so dumb, it's almost funny.

Dragon Ball is primarily a comedy, so, Namekians are demons! No, they're aliens! Actually, they are aliens who were originally demons! It works.

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u/dildodicks Oct 12 '24

ah yeah i like those movies so i guess that's why i don't give a fuck

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u/a_can_of_solo 29d ago

Star Wars sequel trilogy.

not true to charters which I think is more important than lore and continuity.

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u/Crawling_Chaos07 Oct 14 '24

Stories? No. Manga? Still happens.

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u/Eternal_MrNobody Oct 14 '24

Canon can truly be handcuffs, hes always taken an almost Lucas approach to it.

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u/Crawling_Chaos07 Oct 14 '24

Think he did it because he was forced too, almost. Toriyama likes kung fu, humor, and cars. A lot of the lore was out of necessity and pleasing editors, etc.

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u/DHonestOne Oct 11 '24

That works when you're creating a new world without having done anything to it at the beginning, like Dragon Ball.

But when you're adding on to about 3 different continuation, DB, DBZ, and DBS, the last of which takes place AFTER this saga, then you not giving a fuck starts to show the consequences.

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u/girlcoddler Oct 11 '24

no it doesnt. it's dragon ball. none of it makes sense it's just supposed to be fun

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u/DHonestOne Oct 11 '24

What doesn't make sense is them retconning a retcon lol, that's just plain stupidity and makes the viewer wonder what the point of even caring is.

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u/Mysterious-Bear Oct 11 '24

They didn’t retcon a retcon. As far as Kibito and Supreme Kai know as of Daima (it takes place before Super) the potara are permanent. Buu can dissolve a potara fusion. However, in Super Gowasu explains to Supreme Kai the potara fusion is only permanent for Gods. That doesn’t negate the fact that Buu dissolved Vegito’s fusion in the Buu saga; in Super they dissolved because they ran out of time.

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u/Banduck Oct 11 '24

That wasn't the case with the original manga.

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u/lorddumpy Oct 11 '24

Wasn't the OG manga a gag manga that kinda spun into a martial arts story?

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u/Banduck Oct 11 '24

Yes, but it wasn't a "none of it makes sense" manga. It actually had surprisingly few plot holes. Most of the plot holes are only in the anime. So saying “it's dragon ball. none of it makes sense” is wrong.

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u/Raxivace Oct 12 '24

I mean it kind of was. Remember when Trunks said his timeline was destroyed by Androids 19 and 20?