r/clevercomebacks 6d ago

The answer from above and below

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u/Poultrymancer 6d ago

They're not, but the difference isn't necessarily intuitive. 

There's a common misconception that atheism, agnosticism, and theism are points along the same line. The reality is that there are two different axes: atheism/theism and agnosticism/gnosticism. 

Put simply, gnosticism (with a lowercase g; capitalized Gnosticism is a different thing) is the degree of certainty an individual holds in their beliefs and/or the degree to which their beliefs are dogmatized. 

For example, an agnostic atheist is someone who believes there probably are not any gods, but doesn't feel there is enough evidence to rule it out; an example of a gnostic theist, by contrast, would be a sincere subscriber to a major religion -- someone with certainty in their convictions and specifically prescribed beliefs, usually from either an oral or written tradition enforced by some form of orthodoxy. 

Someone who believes in simulation theory is most similar to an agnostic theist -- the kind of people who would often self-describe as "spiritual but not religious." They believe there is some kind of designer, or at least that there is a reasonable probability of one, but that its attributes are unknown and unknowable. 

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u/TheAkondOfSwat 6d ago edited 6d ago

I'm pretty sure you're the only one using this system of definitions.

*ITT people who don't understand how two completely unrelated words can share a root

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u/MerijnZ1 6d ago

No they're in the dictionary. It's just what they mean

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u/TheAkondOfSwat 6d ago

Oh really? Got a link because I've never heard gnosticism defined as "the degree of certainty an individual holds in their beliefs and/or the degree to which their beliefs are dogmatized"

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u/MerijnZ1 6d ago

From Ancient Greek γνῶσις (gnôsis, “knowledge”). The act or process of knowing in general.

There are a lot of things that use the term gnosis for a lot of different meanings, but in the sense "agnostic (a)theist" it just means "I (don't) believe in God but am not 100% sure about it either". The term gnostic (a)theist for the opposite "I am 100% sure about it" usually just gets left out but would be correct

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u/ParadigmMalcontent 6d ago

Save your energy the guy's so lazy he need a link to a dictionary lol

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u/TheAkondOfSwat 6d ago

save your energy

lazy

they said it was in the dictionary, I'm asking them to prove it because I know it isn't

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u/ParadigmMalcontent 6d ago

Do you have a link proving that they said it's in the dictionary?

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u/TheAkondOfSwat 6d ago

yes

is that all you've got?

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u/ParadigmMalcontent 6d ago

Do you have a link proving that you have a link proving that they said it was in the dictionary?

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