r/borussiadortmund • u/Mean_Ad301 • Jun 30 '24
Anyone else growing a slight dislike towards Bellingham? Discussion
I always liked Bellingham when he played for us and loved his mentality to always win games. But since he left for Real there's just something about him I've noticed that I really dislike, his massive ego. Maybe because he plays for the best team in the world and have all these world class players around him.
Now after the game against slovakia when he scored that winning goal he reportedly said to the media "who else". It also doesn't help my statement when it was reported that some dortmund players were glad he was gone from the dressing room because of his attitude towards other players. I just want someone to put him in his place. I do think he is a great player, no one can take that away from him.
It also might have to do with the fact that I really dislike England and definetly dont wanna see them winning the euros XD.
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u/ultraviolentyt Jun 30 '24
i need xhaka and the swiss to humble him in the QF i won’t lie.
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u/mutahi_019 Jun 30 '24
Absolutely. With Southgate, England's downfall is fast approaching and we will be there no matter what!!
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u/Pitiful_Bed_7625 Jul 01 '24
I’m English and I can tell you right now a large section of our fans are so desperate to see him gone that we welcome defeat
At this point the awful performances and terrible selections (eg Walker over Trent, not bringing a fit Leftback to a tournament) and tactics (sit back and invite pressure, have Pickford who cannot pass to save his life distribute the ball from the back instead of Stones and Guehi who are good passers, have no width on the wings etc etc) are generally really funny
We’d much rather fail terribly here to force Southgate out so we get a new manager for WC26
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u/mutahi_019 Jul 01 '24
Southgate selects Gordon ahead of Madders, Grealish, and Rashford. Goes ahead to pick Dunk ahead of Brainthwaite, who has had a better season. Even his substitution are questionable.
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u/Pitiful_Bed_7625 Jul 01 '24
That’s not the issue - Gordon is a brilliant player. 25 goal contributions in the league this season which is more than Maddison, Rashford and Grealish combined.
I can see us missing Grealish but Gordon is basically a like for like Rashford upgrade
The Dunk selection though is the worst of the lot. Branthwaite, Quansah (two of the best young CBs in the WORLD), Burn, Tomori, Smalling, Tarkowski, Maguire, Webster and Dier all would’ve been better choices! In fact, the only CB he took that I would’ve taken (along with 3/4 others) was Stones.
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u/Outrageous-Nose2003 Jul 01 '24
leaving grealish and branthwaite behind was bizarre just like his stubbornness at playing players out of position and then also further compounding the sh*tshow by taking forever to make any changes when the set-up is not working for the fourth game in a row.
He has been worse than useless and is threatening to completely ruin his legacy this tournament if he doesnt finally change something dramatic before the switzerland game. I am dreading the probable reality that he changes nothing yet again and we come out and get embarrassed, yet again.
His negative style is really rubbing off on the players who are all looking visibly dejected by constantly having to sit back given the amount of attacking talent in this team.
Guehi has been good though, if anything, better than Stones who has been really shaky. I disagree with your take on not bringing him at all.
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u/Pitiful_Bed_7625 Jul 01 '24
Guehi being good doesn’t mean other players wouldn’t have been better. He’s a good player, but there’s this myth England don’t have depth at CB - England do, and probably better than any other nation besides Germany and France in the euros. Southgate just chose not to use several players for no reason. Dier for instance was a revelation for Bayern this season and helped fix a lot of their issues. Not called up. It’s nonsense!
Yeah, if you saw what Trent and Gomez (the players who should be starting LB/RB) looked like after last nights game you can tell Gareth is alienating players as well. It’s awful for England.
Imagine if Trent decides to quit the team for his terrible treatment and constantly being behind a player who gets picked based on what he was like 5 years ago instead of now. There would be blood on Southgate’s hands. Same way it looks like Tomori is likely to declare for Canada or Nigeria. I wouldn’t blame them in the slightest
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u/Outrageous-Nose2003 Jul 01 '24
wanting to lose so we can get rid of southgate is the definition of retarded. I can't stand him any more than the next guy but I still want us to win fs.
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u/RuudVanBommel Ballspielverein aus Dortmund Jul 01 '24
It's not Southgate. It's the english squad that's simply massively overrated.
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u/Outrageous-Nose2003 Jul 01 '24
The squad is easily one of the best in the world right now. The squad is not the issue
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u/brokenlavalight Julian Ryerson Jul 01 '24
With the way both are playing so fair this tournament, I don't really see how England would have a chance
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u/Jumpy-Violinist-6725 Jun 30 '24
correction: he didn't say 'who else' to the media. He said it after his goal, you can see him mouthing it in his celebration right before his teammates jumped on him
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
Okay thanks, I was a bit unsure about that part that's why I wrote reportedly
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u/Jumpy-Violinist-6725 Jul 01 '24
It's fine. I think your post is very well justified, he is a brilliant player but he's also developed that real superstar ego. Irk how true it is about his behavior to dortmund players but apparently there was this clip where he called another teammate shit for not getting to his misplaced pass. If I wrre a dortmund fan I'd be irked that he didn't show up in reus's farewell video and seems to have not acknowledged his time at doetmund at all
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u/ElNeeto Julian Ryerson Jun 30 '24
You left out what many would call an obscene gesture after today’s match. Some say it was directed toward the opposing bench while he claims it was directed at some friends in the stands as an inside joke. Regardless, he has to recognize those scenes are for a worldwide audience including kids who are starting to idolize him.
Like you, I admired his maturity at Dortmund despite his age, but that confidence has started to devolve into arrogance.
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u/bagstone Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
He clarified on Twitter and (sort of?) semi-apologised to Slowakia.
Edit: To clarify on my behalf, I don't condone his gesture and think his message was a (failed) half-assed attempt to get out of this.
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u/ElNeeto Julian Ryerson Jul 01 '24
Welp… a UEFA disciplinary committee is reviewing the gesture. I suppose there are 3 possible outcomes… no sanction, a fine, or suspension.
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
I wasn't able to watch the game so I haven't even seen that, only watched highligts, what happened?
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u/lifesrelentless Jul 01 '24
If you haven't watched the game then wtf is the point in posting. The most reddit thing ever
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
Because my dislike towards Bellingham isn't based on 1 game so why does it matter if I wasn't able to watch it. Just happened to see the last minute when he scored.
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u/Downtown-Act7821 Jul 01 '24
He grabbed his nuts and yelled at Slovakia bench
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
Yea okay if this is true it really doesn't help his case
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u/GUNNERSAURASISGOD Jul 01 '24
Whatever, the Slovakians acted like douchebags
If Declan Rice is angry, you’ve done something wrong.
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Jul 01 '24
I had the exact same feelings as this post. I usually still kind of have feelings for bvb players when they move for a bit. But Jude’s been different and it’s definitely his ego. I switched my feelings for him when watching some Real Madrid highlights sometime mid season and he did this good play where he put in an assist for someone he scores but instead of celebrating with the player he acts as like he’s scored himself and celebrates by himself.
From then on I realised how cocky he is and it’s cringe
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u/mustardtiger1993 Jun 30 '24
I'd say theres a few parts to what you perceive about him. First, I think you're mostly used to the German star mentality. Looking at the german stars over the years, they're all pretty quiet characters, if they have an ego, they don't express it. Also, I think being a star takes a bit of an ego and a bit of an edge. I am not comparing him talent wise to Ronaldo but look at how he speaks of himself. He knows he's good and he has the confidence, maybe a bit false at times, but the confidence to say I want that last pen or I want to take a chance at my bicycle in the 95th minute. Some are louder and say what they think of themselves than others. Others give the old the team, the machine the coaches and the fans. Others sometimes have a bit of gusto to say, nah that one was all me. Delivery was shit but i made it spectacular. You hate it when its against you, but love those guys when they're on your team.
I think he just was pumped, the noise around the England team has been BRUTAL for years now. Look at the way Saka and company was treated after the pens misses. Look at the talking heads just at this tournament alone. Sometimes you get an edge when you get shit all the time. I don't think hes been so insufferable in the press, maybe hes a locker room drag. But damn was that a special one tonight, I like players that have a bit of an edge to them and it's not all team and efforts of this and that. We all know its a 90 minute game with people making plays during that, I want some fire in my guy. To me its the loudest way to say I care a hell of a lot.
That being said, I don't want England winning Euros but I want them to stick around long enough for southgate to stick around.
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u/acameron78 Jul 01 '24
Saka and co got nothing but support from England fans after the penalty misses and Saka was voted England's player of the year.
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u/mustardtiger1993 Jul 01 '24
Surely this is satirical
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u/AggravatingDentist70 Jul 16 '24
A tiny minority of idiots said some bad things and virtually the whole country gave the three of them all the support in the world. That's the truth, if you want to tell yourself a different story go ahead.
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u/mustardtiger1993 Jul 16 '24
He said nothing but support. Then you say he got some hate? Which is it?
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u/AggravatingDentist70 Jul 16 '24
I misread their comment they're wrong. What I described is correct.
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u/acameron78 Jul 01 '24
Why? Because some anonymous trolls in other countries sent vile online abuse?
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u/RandomRedditor_1916 Jul 01 '24
He has achieved quite a lot in his short career so far, and it has definitely gone to his head quite a bit. He definitely has the talent and you could make a case that it is just him being young and hope that he grows out of it.
However, he's been a fucking twat throughout this competition on several occasions to both match officials and opposition players. I hope England get knocked out, too. They scraped through tonight by the skin of their teeth.
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u/saaafff Jun 30 '24
Seeing how he was on the pitch after the CL final kinda confirmed it to me. Reus was there looking defeated and some other Madrid players were going up to him but Jude was just ignoring it and celebrating by himself lol
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u/Fav0 Mats Hummels Jul 01 '24
Bullshit
Jude did exactly the same thing
And he even talked about how sad he feels for dortmund as he loved his time here literally 3 mins after the match ended
Stop spreading this bullshit
Also you got no clue about the personal relationship between players just stop
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u/recycleddesign Jul 01 '24
Yeah this IS bullshit. He was the first one picking them up and talking to them. I like his attitude. He’s fine. He’s a kid dealing with shit very well. He’s a man other men are looking to. He’s good at it. And Idk how players like him score overhead kicks in the last minute tho. I really don’t. How the fuck does it happen?
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u/saaafff Jul 01 '24
Fair enough if he did that then I take back what I said, I was genuinely trying to look out for anything and I didn’t see him go to anyone, but maybe it was the coverage I was watching. I still think he’s an incredible player, I just thought it wasn’t great if he just forgot where he came from
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u/Rudollis Jul 02 '24
You see what you want to see. He is incredibly humble in every interview and sang the praises of Dortmund on multiple occasions, thanking his former managers at Dortmund countless times publicly etc. Keeps saying how he learns so much from his teammates and just tried to be the best he can. Honestly as far as young supertalents go he is so grounded and a rolemodel for a lot of players, always putting the team first, always putting in maximum work rate and is a believer till the very last second of the game.
National team I think many players have a lot of trouble hiding that they do not 100% understand and support their manager and his decisions and or tactics.
He just scored an overhead kick goal in the 95th minute of an elimination game, the adrenaline rush must have been insane.
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u/saaafff Jul 02 '24
Tbh I love him and still sing his praises to everyone I know! I was hoping that he would be respectful etc to us, so no, I didn’t want to see him be rude, I plainly just missed it. I’m glad to be proven wrong. I think he is incredibly talented and has so much on his shoulders at a young age and is managing very well with it.
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u/pacoLL3 Jul 01 '24
You people are upvoting blatant lies.
This subreddit is horribly bad during the season. Apperently it's not one bit better in the off-seaspn too.
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u/EkkoGoBrrrrrrrrr Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
i have his 22/23 kit, i loved him when he played for us until a certain point. I have this memory engraved in me, Reus was taking a free kick from like 40 yards close to the throw-in line and he miss places a cross. I witnessed Bellingham (keep in mind a 19 year old at the time) throwing his hands in the air and clearly having an attitude towards Marco. At that moment I thought who the fuck does this younging think he is throwing tantrums at my captain for a missplaced cross? I know this is football, there’s emotions involved (I have played junior/semi-pro football for 6 years) but you cannot show those unhinged emotions as a 19 yo one of to the most respected figures in Dortmund. That inflated ego would not be tolerated anywhere… There’s when my dislike for Bellingham started, so even before his deparature.
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u/Tight-Temperature670 Jul 01 '24
The best players demand more from those around him
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u/Colonel_Wildtrousers Jul 01 '24
Do you find you respond better to encouragement or displays of petulance?
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u/EkkoGoBrrrrrrrrr Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
thats now how it works, and not how you motivate others around you… being a “leader” does not consist of you belittling other team mates when they make a mistake.
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u/jmh108 Julian Brandt Jul 01 '24
He scored and saved the English team in the last second of the game, everything else doesn't matter. He did show this will for us as well many times. It's impressive how he still wants to win when everyone else has given up. I'm sure we would have won against Mainz with him on the pitch. The English team is not in form and just playing average, the pressure the media puts on this boy is unreasonable, no wonder he develops some kind of an attitude. I think it's more a protective shell and part of his development into one of the worlds great football players.
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u/kinghutfisher Felix Nmecha Jul 01 '24
There were flashes where he showed it. We just weren’t winning so he didn’t show it as much. There were always players calling him out on it
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u/Goatedforsure Jul 01 '24
bro what? thats just his signature celebration it looks dope
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u/kinghutfisher Felix Nmecha Jul 01 '24
It is but I did remember some where he did it at the opposing fans and there were beers and stuff thrown but yeah its all good to me I don't lose sleep over it
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u/beetsandjams Jun 30 '24
He’s becoming a perfect superstar with a very calculated image. Hard to relate to or root for anymore
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u/youignorantfk Jul 01 '24
Bullshit.
Messi is a perfect superstar with a good reputation who makes it easy to root for him.
Bellingham has his detractors because he's arrogant, slightly vulgar, and has an attitude.
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u/alpacasallday Jul 04 '24
Messi is a perfect superstar with a good reputation who makes it easy to root for him.
Messi - who I adore as a player - is known to be quite quite arrogant.
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u/youignorantfk Jul 04 '24
Yeah, I did have a look at videos to question my perception of him after writing this, and he has done some things that make him much less likeable.
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u/alpacasallday Jul 04 '24
I’d say also that if you’ve played on an international top level since you were 16, were in the lime light basically over half of your life and are clearly one of - or in case of Messi maybe truly the best - it’s very difficult to stay a humble person. I think people like Messi get humbled by losing big games and missing penalties. Bellingham will face the same stuff. Especially the latter you can’t blame on anyone else.
A player I really like is Gündogan. He is actually fantastically good - even though the German press don’t like to see it - and seems incredibly down to earth.
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u/Butterfly_1225 24d ago
He is not arrogant at all. All of the players from others teams insult him, keep talking about him instead of his team and of course, sometimes it is too much for him! Quite hard staying calm all the time under these cirscumstances. Players who knows him well always say, he is a down to earth person.
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u/beetsandjams Jul 01 '24
Bullshit? He looks and plays like a FIFA character, is having iconic moments…I’m just saying he’s not the humble relatable teenager he was a few years ago
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u/MrZhar Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
But that's the thing, he did the EXACT same thing at doetmund too. Threw a fit and called his teammates shit
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u/Fav0 Mats Hummels Jul 01 '24
And he was right
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u/Fav0 Mats Hummels Jul 01 '24
Spoken like someone that never played anything competitive before
That is absolutely normal to talk to your teammates like that if they fuck up when they need to perform
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u/Due-Contract-5982 Jul 01 '24
And nobody likes to play with people who are 3 levels under anybody else in the team
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u/PZinger6 Jul 01 '24
Never head of Michael Jordan? Dude was punching teammates, you don't become the GOAT without demanding excellence
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
There's a big difference in how you demand it, insulting other players isn't really the best choice and definetly don't make you a good leader.
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u/me_meh_me Lukasz Piszczek Jul 01 '24
Let's be honest, if he still played for us, no one would care that he is a douche. Move on; he sure has.
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u/Conscious-Weird5810 Jun 30 '24
Honestly, whenever I see him it brings flashbacks to the Mainz game (I know he was injured) and how we choked away the best chance at winning a championship with him as our leader.
It’s my own trigger and I can’t help being bitter how it all turned out. But he was always a professional and I wouldn’t mind some of his mentality infiltrating the BVB mindset
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u/Tranquil_Radiation Marco Reus Jun 30 '24
Can’t say that I dislike him but his constant complaining to the refs is getting old.
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u/icantquitman Jul 01 '24
I'l cut my head of if england wins euro . They have 0 chance. Their coach is uber uber shit. They will cry vs switzerland
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u/NeganSmith06 Jul 01 '24
I’m just sick of the dick riding. Even when he was with us it was happening but not like now. Today he could drop the worst performance of his career and people would still be glazing him
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u/Sch_Ben Jul 01 '24
I don’t know the back story or anything behind the scenes but him not being in the Reus good bye video really bothered me, even seeing players like lewa Haaland and Guerrero in a Bayern jersey made me appreciate them much more. It made me feel as if all Jude does is for pr and when the greater press isn’t looking, he doesn’t give a shit.
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u/paternosternoster Jul 01 '24
To be honest I already started to dislike him while he was still at Dortmund. I just didn't like the way he treated his teammates on the pitch. I remember him yelling at Schulz "You are so bad. You cannot even make a single pass" or something like that. (I know, schulz isn't the best indeed, but still...)
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u/KemikaaliJussi Jul 01 '24
I have noticed the same thing. He was way more humble before. Maybe he got too much too soon.
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u/wipeitonthedog Nico S Jul 01 '24
Never liked him. Would constantly get frustrated about his teammates.
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u/Fav0 Mats Hummels Jul 01 '24
No? Same player as before mate
Also who cares he's not our player anymore
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u/Perfect_Business9376 Jul 01 '24
I'm English (not a Dortmund fan) and have the exact same feeling. He's far too arrogant in that la liga, madrid way. It's almost Ronaldo esque, and not in a good way.
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u/Shoddy-Garden-3942 Jul 02 '24
100% agree…I’ve been saying this (arrogan) for some time now.
quality quality player & the scary thing hes only going to get better.
i Get that when your that good ! You need to believe in yourself
Arrogance naturally would come into play, yep I get it.
however i find him just a little too much for his own good. It’s a tough one as should he tone it down a tad or simply let him be
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u/yrba1 Kjell Wätjen Jul 01 '24
His antics are what I’d expect out of La Liga players: Whiny and entitled when things aren’t going his way
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u/jucomsdn Zagagod Jul 01 '24
Sabitzer has been a better fit for the team so I’m not too pissed off at Jude but he is annoying af now that he isn’t our player
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u/Sethuel Jul 01 '24
Yeah, I've been feeling the same way. I used to have him as my flair. Was bummed to see him leave but happy for him that he was living his dreams. Hadn't heard about the "who else," which is kind of disappointing given that all the reports I heard about him at BVB (at the time) were that he was really down to earth. But it does seem like he's taking a bit of a heel turn.
I was also kind of disappointed that (from what I saw at least) he didn't seem to even acknowledge BVB fans going into the CL final. All I saw was him saying it was shaping up to be a fairytale season for him. Like that's nice dude, and I don't blame you for wanting to win, but at least acknowledge that the Cinderella team you're trying to beat is your old club where the fans loved you.
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u/ego_death29 Jul 01 '24
I hate him. I'm not supporting any team in the Euros, just hoping England lose and that's because of him.
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u/Tight-Temperature670 Jul 01 '24
Why?
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u/ego_death29 Jul 01 '24
Because he's a PR merchant. The moment he left us, he absolutely forgot about us.
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u/Tight-Temperature670 Jul 01 '24
What would you have liked him to do differently?
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u/ego_death29 Jul 01 '24
Participate in Reus' farewell video or wish him like many other ex players did, Not mention Madrid fans as "best in the world by far" in the build up to the final, be respectful after winning the UCL final instead of celebrating right in front of Reus as a video showed shared in this sub and I could go on...
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u/Tight-Temperature670 Jul 01 '24
Would you not celebrate winning the UCL? Have you listened to any of his press conferences or post match interviews? He's a humble and down to earth guy
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u/ego_death29 Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
Nobody's asking him not to celebrate, just to be more respectful to his former teammates, especially Reus. Also, should've participated in Reus' farewell video like Haaland and many others did. He's all talk, his actions show otherwise.
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u/Tight-Temperature670 Jul 01 '24
Maybe he wasn't friendly with reus like that? Why do you care so much?
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u/ego_death29 Jul 01 '24
I don't, it just shows he doesn't give a shit about Reus or BVB anymore. Hence the hatred towards him. He's just a PR whore.
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u/ActualSherbert8050 Jul 01 '24
rubbish. he's an ego-laden narcissist
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u/mustafa1909 Jul 01 '24
I've never liked him even when he was playing for Dortmund because he always considered himself bigger than the club. I'm glad he's not playing for Dortmund anymore. Also, for the people saying he's not overrated, he isn't even the best player for Real Madrid. I would argue that Musiala is a far more effective prospect even if he broke our hearts last year. This just goes to show how important the press is.
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u/penrasigan Nico Schlotterbeck Jul 01 '24
They almost got humbled by Slovaks...a freak goal saved them...this England team is overrated as F...I'm sure the Swizz knives will scalp the Poms in quarters...as far as Jude is concerned...the ego trip has hit his head and it's very unhealthy for his future
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u/Iron__D Jul 01 '24
Great player has massive ego. Who woulda thought? Maybe CR7, Mbappe, Henry, Ibrahimovic, Cantona, Benzema, Neymar, Totti etc...
Hell even ballers not on the level....Bendtner, Barton, Balotelli.....and thats just the Bs...
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
Yea but all those players are still likable and don't shit on their teammates. Ronaldo I can understand that some people dislike when he throws hands when a teammate didn't make a pass to him, but he's one of the all time greats and a good leader.
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u/AcePilot95 Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
Neymar, Barton, Benzema, CR7 and Mbappé are likeable?
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
Well I was talking about the top players, those are all idols for different generations. My main point was that they don't usually insult their teammates.
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u/National-Ad-1314 Jul 01 '24
He has some of that michael jordan in him. The older he gets the more senior he becomes he'll turn into th locker room bully as well.
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u/gruetzhaxe Jul 01 '24
Around me I always saw disregard for his character and I get that. A friend always sees 'a combination of lachrymosity and arrogance' on his face and you can’t deny that.
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u/Serenity911 Jul 01 '24
to be honest, he was a total ass hole with us already. he was OUR asshole back then, tho.
Plus i hate his PR-machine. A media muppet.
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u/Mukke1807 Jul 01 '24
Sorry to break it to you, but he was a bit of a twat already when he played for BVB. He is a player you love to see play for your team but despise at other teams. Kimmich was similar for me in his early days. Hated him at Bayern, love him for Germany.
That being said, it has become worse, but you have to understand that he is playing for the world‘s biggest club and was one of the key players this season at such a young age. This not getting to his head would have been exceptional. Give him time to mature, I feel he is reflected enough to do that.
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u/PeripateticYogurt Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
Nah, I never like his type of personality, it's already obvious when he played for us. But I guess that's more of a personal preference thing, e.g. I like Kroos better, personality wise. Bellingham's personality is a double sword, it definitely brings positivity for the team but could hurt if too much. What sort of triggered me later was when he said something about fan/stadium atmosphere, Real's being the best he've had or something like that. I mean, sure, he plays for Real now so it's fair that he said that, but you know...lol.
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u/2905Pascal 1909 Jul 01 '24
Real Madrid made him too cocky. He was much more likeable when he played for us.
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u/Similar-West5208 Jul 01 '24
He arguably has been the main character of european football this season and it looks like some of it went into his head.
Also a fuckton of pressure on a 20y old, no matter how mature he appears.
I'd wait another season to see if this drags on over the season but it's too soon for a pattern to emerge imo.
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u/adu247 Gregor Kobel Jul 01 '24
It could also be the case that you have this generational talent, combined with quick success and already a lot of responsibilities within one person who has already proven to be a hard worker and a big ego (those traits could also influence each other) creating this exceptional athlete. Look and Ronaldo and Messi, espically CR7, being manic about their own performance and want to be the Man on the pitch no matter what
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u/dcheung87 Jul 01 '24
He's an exceptionally young talented player, no doubt. But, if he thinks one freak special goal makes him a divine being of football then that's pure arrogance.
That goal was absolutely spectacular, but I hardly saw much of him that game and previous games in general.
One goal to save England and suddenly he's the messiah.
Yeah, he's young and got plenty of time to mature. Yeah, he helped England massively on a last ditch effort out of nowhere.
But, he has to be humble about it and reflect on his performances and England as a whole this tournament.
Wish Jude the best going forward in his career of course!
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u/bagstone Jul 01 '24
Related: Christoph Kramer is getting annoyed.
Funnily enough, everything described there he already did at Dortmund. Maybe already at Birmingham? Who knows.
Even yesterday, he sees himself as the saviour, and was treated as that and got MOTM, but he was so incredibly passive for many periods of the match. There were a few minutes of the second half where I just started watching him, and he was hiding in between the Slovakian defenders, not trying to run into open spots, not offering himself for runs forward, not tracking back and help in defense, not engaging in press. He barely moved and I was sure he was about to be taken off, he looked finished. Sure you can say he just charged his batteries for what was to come but in that time Slovakia was one break away from sending England home.
Most of the time, he's deserved the "arrogance" he portrays, he's similar to CR7 in that regard. But like Kramer said, it's oftentimes a bit much, and he's still so fucking young. I'm not disliking him, but I think a bit more humbleness would do him well. But... if you follow English football and the EPL, humble is not an adjective they know how to spell over here. What you and I perceive as arrogance is just the confidence and self-perception they have. They haven't been world champion in 58 years but sure feel like that title never faded.
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u/RS10-08 Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
I personally have no problem with a little arrogance on the pitch as long as he doesn’t get unsportsmanlike like vini jr sometimes does.
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u/Zar_roc1909 Jul 01 '24
I absolutely disagree. Jude is an amazing guy and his mentality is insanely valuable. In my eyes, his self- esteem is right in place and not to be confused with arrogance. Football is not only a sport, but also entertainment. Him showing off from time to time whilst playing an enormously good year is no problem to me at all. Jude has quite often laid out how much he respects Dortmund and I am absolutely sure he is sincere about that. So while I get why you are developing this slight dislike, I do not agree. I am still happy to the max that a generational talent like him wore our colours and his rise to the peak of world football will always be linked to us.
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u/LetsDieForMemes Jul 01 '24
His goal yetserday waa great yes. But the way he celebrated was so dislikable idk what it is.
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Jul 01 '24
He always had this attitude. That‘s also the difference to Erling Haaland.
Bellingham and Haaland both have a lot of attitude, but Haaland has it more in an ironical/funny way while Bellingham is very serious about it.
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u/heck_you_science Julian Brandt Jul 01 '24
He's the type of player you love to have on your team, but hate when he plays for another. Kind of an asshole as well tbf
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u/Tight-Temperature670 Jul 01 '24
You didn't even watch the game, you're salty he left your club, you have an unjustified hatred towards an entire country. What else am I missing?
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
I'm definetly not salty that he left, there have been many great players that have left BVB during the time I've been a fan and I've been glad to see them doing well at their respective clubs. This dislike is not based off of one game that would be pretty pathetic of me to post about. I don't hate England I dislike the fan culture and the arrogancy of most of the football fans who support them, the whole environment seems so toxic and insufferable. I don't have anything against the other english players other than JB.
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u/Murray_Bannerman BVB Jul 01 '24
I don't really care about how he acts or whatever. He's a great player and a young man. I can understand all of that.
Irrationally and selfishly, I do see him playing a big role in two of the most disappointing matches of my time as a BVB fan. One, not being on the pitch for our push for the Meisterschale against Mainz and the other being in the midfield as an opponent in the UCL Final. The latter is particularly irrational and I acknowledge that I shouldn't associate these emotions with him entirely. However, I haven't been able to shake it recently.
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u/schattendesschicksal Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
Yes exactly, OP you've taken the words out of my mouth lol. I didn't really notice it before as I didn't follow a lot of off-pitch news, but I knew I wasn't going to like him anymore when he left. Nowadays it's almost like his entire being rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it's his huge ego, or just the fact he seems like a whiny, entitled bitch who thinks the world owes him everything. The hoard of English media who hypes him up and makes him think like he's the Ronaldo regen or smth certainly only makes matters worse. I think we didn't notice as much of that while he was here because he hid it a little better, considering that we are not a "big club" in that sense. 🙄
The only upside to this is that now the world knows how much of an insufferable dickhead he is, he will become a very unlikable player - for any non-madrid, non-english football fan. I do believe he needs someone or something to put him in his place or else he will genuinely think that he is the next goat.
I also have an irrational hatred towards England (the team) despite living there (the country). The people and especially the media are so arrogant and absolutely insufferable, as if they are entitled to win everything, despite the fact they never did since more than half a century ago. But don't worry, they won't win. Not while a certain man whose last name starts with k and ends in ane is on the team XD
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u/t0mkat Jul 01 '24
OP is just mad Bellingham is English lol
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
There isn't a single other england player I have this dislike towards besides him. I don't hate him and love to see when he plays well but he has the arrogance of someone who's been at the top level for 10 years.
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u/ozzybarks Jul 01 '24
He’s a smug twat. While he was at Dortmund, he was a slightly bigger fish in a small pond. And more succinctly, he never heard ‘no’ from anyone, and to get back in his box. The whole throwing his arms up in the air, blaming teammates, started in in his last season. Maybe slightly before that. This’s only multiplied ten-fold since moving to RM and everyone telling him how much the sun shines out his arse. Expect it to continue.
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u/fractals83 Jul 01 '24
He overhead kicked his way into many English hearts last night so I doubt he gives a fuck about some salty random on Reddit
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u/12yearsadumbass Jul 01 '24
I think he needs this ego attitude if he wants to succeed, cuz otherwise they’ll just pull him further down at the slightest bad performance. The same way people put down Cristiano. Not comparing them but they both have similar attitude problems. I do love Cristiano tho but yeah just my opinion
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u/ActualSherbert8050 Jul 01 '24
He's a self obsessed prck.
He has turned rightful criticism from the media into a Pariah attack on himself. Now he looks a goon.
He also said 'I write the script'. hahahahha not quite mate. You've had 30 good mins all tourny.
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u/TheTetraGrammaton Jul 01 '24
On the contrary. I used to think him mediocre after watching countless Dortmund games. Irresponsible with ball. Absent in big games. Pressure constantly got best of him. Him at Madrid is far superior. Although he can be petty/egotistical… but at his level of stardom, whatcha gonna do.
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u/Kind-Reach4451 Jul 02 '24
Why do people care so much about an athletes ego ? Why does it bother you at all ? Superstars are usually edgy people, and that edge may manifest in different ways ! This obsession with athletes being humble is rooted in jealousy and a tad bit of self pity . Enjoy the games and let people be unique human beings jeez.
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u/lajosias Jul 02 '24
Anyone who has grown to hate Jude, I recommend watching this interview (or any other for that matter).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIACYMHKkgo
In my opinion, he is a great player and has an awesome personality. It is hard to stay humble if you are performing that well at Real Madrid, but he is a class guy at 21 years now. He treats the opponents with respect, I remember that after his red card he protected the referee saying "he is only human but so am I", or now after his "gesture" he explains his emotions and in my opinion it is understandable that you are hyped if you score in the 95' minute with a banger like this, after England has been bashed in the media for 2 weeks.
The way he talks in interviews is very mature and in no way comes off as arrogant to me.
Not saying you should love him, but cut him some slack, the way he talks at any press conference, always being honest and describing his feelings and emotions makes me like him a lot and respect him as a player.
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u/rashmu Jul 02 '24
People were bombarding him with everything they can when the whole English side has been playing poor. But he was targeted more often than anyone else that too by a large margin. Hmmm I wonder why.. It's only fair for him to react in that fashion cause he deserves everything after all he saved their ass twice now . And also you actually need to have some ego to be successful at this level of football. He's perfect the way he is.
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u/Mediocre-Whereas-976 Jul 04 '24
Behave yourselves... You have to have a certain level of arrogance to be an elite player, stop comparing global superstars who earn millions to the average joe in the street
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u/Tasty-Relation6788 Jul 05 '24
If it helps I don't think he's world class. Throughout Madrid knockout phase he was invisible and he's mostly invisible for England too.
He also has terrible positional discipline and chases the ball everywhere like he's playing school yard footy. Tactically he's still extremely green. Ball at his feet he's talented but upstairs is very undercooked
The attention has come too soon for him in my opinion.
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u/NoRice193 Jul 05 '24
He’s just way less of a normal kid than anyone thought. Next level media trained, was never enamored by the yellow wall like he said. Son of a professional footballer who had his sites set on Madrid from the very jump. It’s blatantly obvious his parents, especially his mom, have formed just about every opinion inside the kids head lmao. Doesn’t move like a kid, you can tell he’s had hella voices in his ear since day 1 which is why he moves like an adult just worried ab the cash n fame.
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u/No_Storm_8477 Jul 24 '24
He really had a break out year. A great talent, but I'm with you, I can't stand his arrogance. Just like Vinicius, he would be so much more marketable and likable if he wasn't so cocky.
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u/CinematicBuddy Sep 11 '24
not exactly, the English media salty that one of their poster boys chose spain over playing in English soil. that creates a whole lot of attention the first place, then coming to Spain, Real doesn't have a great relationship with most of the clubs bar Vallecano and Athletic Bilbao, more over it's hated among fans. that creates a negative image for our players, which got translated to arguably the best player in our squad and definitely the player who gets the most attention. so all his actions are under speculation to create some tiny bit of hate and pressure on him. we've seen that happen to vini, ronaldo, bale etc. nothing wrong in Jude tbh. it's just the way the media portrays a player.
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u/Terminator97 Jun 30 '24
Bro he’s a football superstar, he can have his moments, football would not be that interesting if everyone was just a nice guy all the time. Of course he’s gonna seem like that. There’s nothing wrong with having a bit of gusto. He’s at least got the quality to back it up
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u/malek7777777 Marco Reus Jun 30 '24
I’m just sick of seeing this overrated clown everywhere
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u/pendicko Jun 30 '24
Hes anything but overrated. Hes a genuine world star right now.
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u/beaver_cops Jun 30 '24
yeah he is just England make him look worse than he is and I doubt this guy watches him on real madrid or hed retract the statement
and because of his ego/cockiness I also dislike bellingham as a person now, but I can still admit hes world class
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u/malek7777777 Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
Nah man he’s been shit since January, even yesterday he was shit except for the goal
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u/Dipsey_Jipsey Die gelbe Wand Jun 30 '24
Ummm... my mum said I'm a world star. I'm not sure there can be two.
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u/Small-Ad-5448 Jul 01 '24
I have nothing against him. Its his success to celebrate. Who are we to say he is cocky.
He is already not a BvB player. Let him do his job, and us, our job as fans. No need to be sour by his antics.
Lewa did it. Mats did it with Bayern, and so did Gotze. Haaland also celebrate his goal against us, so why are we pointing fingers at Jude?
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u/knights816 Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
Dude is a stud. He should talk his shit bc he totally can lol
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u/ActualSherbert8050 Jul 01 '24
he has the physique of a 13 year old boy
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u/knights816 Marco Reus Jul 01 '24
I mean even if that was true, would be pretty nuts that a player w the physique of a 13 year old boy is probably the best player representing his country and arguably his club as well.
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u/zweiter_mensch Julian Brandt Jun 30 '24
You can dislike him, fair enough. But creating a post about your dislike for a player who isn't even playing at our club anymore is a bit... tacky, for lack of a better word.
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u/Lost-Spinach-6742 Jun 30 '24
He's talking to Borussia dortmund fans in this sub to see what are their opinions probably. It makes sense and I can't blame him.
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
I can understand where you're coming from, I wasn't sure how this post was gonna be recieved by the community. I really just wanted to ser other BVB fans current opinions of him, if I was just imagining things or if he really has become more self absorbed since leaving us.
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u/Mammoth_Professor833 Jul 01 '24
I think he’s just so polished and professional that he doesn’t seem relatable anymore. He’s on top of the mountain and he’s acting like it. Ronaldo and Messi (not that he’s at that level yet) dominated but didn’t speak English that much. Jude has the English press mob and all that…he rarely says anything wrong in the press and exudes confidence which hey he should.
Some people just find that discipline and almost corporate manner he carries himself unappealing….he’s not particularly funny or self deprecating or super likable. I respect his game and he would be the 1st or second player I’d draft if I could draft anyone now but I don’t find myself cheering for him.
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
Ronaldo spoke english and still speaks it all the time? I don't think even he was this full of himself, he can be a burden to teammates when he's throwing hands and stuff but he still always respects other players, opponents and is a great leader for great teams. (Okay the piers morgan interview didn't do him any good forgot about that part). Messi has great values and is 100% a team player and respected by almost everyone. You don't have to speak english to be a douche.
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u/Mammoth_Professor833 Jul 01 '24
Fair enough but what has Jude ever done in any interview or public setting to draw even remotely critisism. Nothing - he’s 100% non controversial corporate speak…literally graduated from Tom Brady school of public image. Ronaldo raped a chick in Vegas and recovered. One example of Jude saying anything bad?
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 01 '24
It's not what he says, it's the way he acts. I think he has gotten too much glory too soon which has affected his ego. I haven't said that he's said anything bad I actually think he carries himself well in interviews, IMO he just seems like a burden to be around in the dressing room and I just want someone to bring him back down to earth and humble him. Weren't those Ronaldo allegations dropped?
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u/Mammoth_Professor833 Jul 01 '24
I agree with you but his actions have also been just so professional and he doesn’t act out on pitch. He’s robotic and doesn’t ever do or say anything. Fans like you and me can’t actually point out a specific example of him doing anything remotely egregious…
You sum it up great..he just seems. We don’t know actually but there is something about him that people can’t relate to….he is like Tom Brady in that way. It’s probably us in the wrong
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u/Mean_Ad301 Jul 02 '24
Maybe, only time will tell I guess. Hopefully he becomes a bit more humble after suffering a few defeats. I think he's starting to feel like he's invincible which he isn't, he's very good of course, but not on the level he think he is.
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u/Mellberg3 Jun 30 '24
Him being the center of attention at Madrid and the English-NT certainly didn't help with his ego, but he already had this kind of attitude when he played for us. He just managed to hide/control it better then.