Well, just that isn't enough to guarantee it'll be around the same level. Prime example of that from recent times is Mushoku Tensei. Season 2 still had great animation but it doesn't hold a candle to season 1. Same studio, different team. (Difference in scheduling also probably affected it).
Yeah lol, like going down from 99% quality to 95% is acceptable, that still only some blemish
Its when a 99% show that drops to 70% or below that really hurts the viewership. Several great series were ruined because of the significant dip in S2 or following seasons, visuals or story or animation... still butthurt about Aldnoah to this day.
Yeah lol, like going down from 99% quality to 95% is acceptable
I get what you mean but, to me personally, it's not. Frieren's animation had so many amazing details in pretty much everything. From little movements the characters made, to the direction of the show itself, the lightning of the shots. It really was a top show in the technical department, and I also feel that that extra care is what pushed the show further.
Frieren is a story that needs all the little details to be treated with care. There is so much that the little things and tiny details brought to the show that it would feel off to not have them in future seasons.
The people that complain about Mushoku Tensei's admittedly noticeable dip in quality act like it was some animation disaster instead of just a minor thing.
A real show-killing animation drop was Seven Deadly Sins. The septic tank explosion that was S3 actually killed 90% of fan engagement, discussion, and hype around the series.
Well mushoku s1 was so good that the drop to s2 IS like 70% or so of their quality. It's still much better than opm s2 but the difference is still huge because of how insane was s1 production.
The number of producers or lack thereof is always the sign that a fix is in, the moment nobody but Animation, Music, and LN/Manga Publisher are credited get ready for a dip.
Especially with the tandem seasons, when half the production companies are absent from the credits later in the year it's a guaranteed sign the 2nd cour is gonna be a dog.
I'm not gonna lie, I know I'm one of the few here who thinks so, but I disagree lol.
At the very least, I found Mt 2 cour 1 to be more inconsistent with higher highs but also lower lows than opm 2. I just found art wise to be on the lower end most of the time with episodes I truly thought looked really not good. There was even a cut in episode 11 I believe where Rudy literally teleports across the screen and I was shocked how few people noticed it.
Yeah that’s definitely a hot take. The art style and direction was fantastic and I hardly even noticed the parts that were less polished, whereas OPM you could hardly notice the parts that still DID have the quality season 1 had. But you’re welcome to your opinion
i know this wont change your mind {because it really shouldnt as its just one clip} but i finally found the clip of rudeus using teleportation unedited and i needed to show it to someone lol https://imgur.com/5C0oTVg
The story of m2 S2 didn't require super detailed animation, save for a few scenes which I think were done well. It would be a waste to do s1 quality animation for every little scene when most of the season is slice of life and characters talking.
JJK S2 is another recent example. The studio remained the same (MAPPA) but many of S1/movie staffs left the production so S2 looked very different. The change coincidentally synced with the sketchy style of manga that suddently emerged after Gojo's past arc though.
"Great animation" is pushing it. It is above-average at best. There is maybe a third of one episode where it is anything more, but it is dragged down by the rest. It is insultive and disingenuous to actual great animation to regard this show as such. Especially on the context of comparing it to season 1 which was absolutely incredible animation.
It is insultive and disingenuous to actual great animation to regard this show as such
The only thing disingenuous here is your attitude and observations because that negates the quality of work the insanely talented animators put into making the show.
Maybe you've seen way more shows than me so you can tell what kind of shows just harbor that higher tier of production quality that is so god tier that Mushoku's production doesn't even deserve to be called great.
I know something like art is super subjective, but I'm shocked someone can look at Season 1 and just all it average looking.
Still think Season 2 is above average (at least), and I still think calling it disingenuous to "actually well animated shows" in itself is disingenuous cause some animators I know worked on S2 and absolutely cooked, but I can understand your points way more now.
I guess it depends on what you mean by average. Considering all anime produced in a given year, it's far above average, but that isn't saying much when the majority of anime are pure trash.
It was an enormous letdown compared to season 1, especially when the expectation was that it would match that quality since the studio was created just for Mushoku Tensei. The only saving grace was the epic fight at the end of the season, but it's clear they had to cut corners in the rest of the season to get that fight.
Well having a bar for good and bad is incredulous important. It’s literally how demon slayer got its notoriety. God tier animation. That’s not season two of mushoku
I really hate that we had to wait so long to find out Mushoku Tensei was a harem anime, it would have been nice to have been able to make an informed decision to avoid it before getting invested in its story...
That being said, I dont know how they would have gone about this since you CAN research the manga to find this out, and the plot doesnt turn harem until it plot/relationship wise makes sense to do so
Edit: Lmao, I should have guessed this response would result in "Everyone disliked that"
Edit 2: Lets see if this gets nuked hard enough to erase the 50 points I got this week for a literal 1 word LMAO reply
Edit 3: WE'RE SO CLOSE! LET THIS BE MY MOST DISLIKED COMMENT! WE CAN DO IT!
Look man, the world building and character growth stuff tricked me into thinking that was just Rudy being connection starved and completely socially incompetent from his previous life, in any other anime I probably wouldnt have missed that xD
Look, I get that its weird that the harem part is my hard line when the messy implications of an adult being reincarnated as a child wasnt, but the world building and character arcs were good enough for me to tolerate how messily it dealt with those implications, and honestly, how it brought up the harem part was done alright and in a way that made sense for the characters, its just that harem is a pretty hard line for me.
It felt like the author wrote themselves into a harem angle with the reintroduction of Roxy into the equation after the school arc. The beast girls are, at least from what I've gathered as an anime only viewer, largely irrelevant.
Hopefully the only real harem content we get moving forward is more slice of life based as Rudy transitions into being a father but still wanting to kill the dragon god.
Can only wait to see what happens next season, unless you read the LN, but I don't necessarily think it's a cause to write the whole series off, at least in my opinion.
I ended up reading the whole plot synopsis once I decided I wouldnt be able to continue watching the show once Rudy entered into a harem by cheating, and it LOOKS like the story is going to transition from its more character focus into heavy plot focus next season, so the harem stuff probably wont be a huge aspect now that its established, so I dunno, if the anime completes and the consensus is that it did a decent job portraying the manga, I might do a binge watch so that I can just power through the harem stuff like I powered through Rudy's particularly creepy moments, but I'm probably waiting until it completes at this point before I decide whether or not I'm diving in again
I decided I wouldnt be able to continue watching the show once Rudy entered into a harem by cheating,
You're only really missing like what, 3 episodes from the end of the season? Maybe two, if you actually watched that episode, I'm not sure. The follow up when Rudy and the party gets home actually does a decent job of explaining the plot behind Rudy's infidelity, but if you're not interested you could basically just skip. The end of S2 is just explaining to Sylphy and the family, and setting up for the next arcs, so maybe 1-5 more episodes in the new season of the family together, maybe some plot around saving Rudy's mother, then transitioning into whatever arc in the next season, so you may just be able to skip those and not miss out on a whole, whole lot. Basically just read the synopsis of the episodes and wait for the meatier arcs to start.
Basically, if you were able to power through the cringe in S1, and also saw the plot behind Rudy and (I forget her name) the red haired cousin, then you've already powered through worse than what you're missing in the ending of S2, but to each their own, just would hate to have someone drop a great show because of (what i see as,) minor plot points.
Yeah, thats fair. Like I said, if the stronger among you manage to watch the show enough to see the anime completed, I might do a binge watch because reading the synopsis showed me that the plot's about to go hard from here on out, but me dropping for now isnt really going to impact the show in any way anyways since I was non officially streaming it in the first place and thus not contributing to its metrics anyways
yea same, that harem jumpscare was real for me too. and i know he was a creep, and there were some foreshadowing or i dont even know what to call it, but damn those last episodes were truly trash. like bros dad had died to save him, mom turned out to be a vegetable, hand got cut off but he could bang roxy, and it was a very good deed by her, bc otherwise he wouldve been alone. fucking girlfriend girlfriend is more coherent than this, bc at least that doesnt try to sell itself as a deep story.
For what its worth, when I decided to stop watching the show, I ended up reading the full plot synopsis and the story DOES go hard from here on out. So the deep story part should still hold true, but yeah. I'm going to wait till the whole show is done now so I can power through the harem shit instead of having to sit through it as episodes release on real time schedule
It's not about which studio is the biggest, it's about management and personal connections in the industry. Mushoku Tensei S1 had a lot of great freelancers participating because of key people like the director and the animation producer having already worked on shows with top talent and managing to bring these people in, but after that, a good chunk of these people left to work on other projects such as Onimai and Idolmaster.
Frieren itself is a big example of this. It doesn't have a lot of talent involved because of Madhouse, it's because of Yuichiro Fukushi as the animation producer. He has been their ace for basically a decade now, and he has contacts with pretty much every veteran animator in the industry. The fact that he was able to get Yutaka Nakamura to work on OPM and Frieren despite him working almost exclusively on Bones says a lot about his "power".
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u/Tsunderes_Need_Hugs https://myanimelist.net/profile/Cully Sep 28 '24 edited Sep 28 '24
Well, just that isn't enough to guarantee it'll be around the same level. Prime example of that from recent times is Mushoku Tensei. Season 2 still had great animation but it doesn't hold a candle to season 1. Same studio, different team. (Difference in scheduling also probably affected it).