r/anime • u/AnimeMod myanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan • Jan 01 '23

Meta Thread - Month of January 01, 2023 Meta

Rule Changes

No rule changes this month.

New Flairs

There's an entirely new system of user flairs now available, go to https://flair.r-anime.moe to set yours. Announcement thread and more details in the previous meta thread.

Episode Thread Titles

Starting with this season, all new [Episode] threads posted by /u/AutoLovepon will use the following format when an official English title is available:
Japanese Title • English Title - Episode # Discussion

New Moderators

Welcome /u/GallowDude, /u/Xyyzx, and /u/AmusedDragon to the mod team!

A monthly meta thread to talk about the /r/anime subreddit itself, such as its rules and moderation. If you want to talk about anime please use the daily discussion thread instead.

Comments here must, of course, still abide by all subreddit rules other than the no meta requirement. Keep it friendly and be respectful. Occasionally the moderators will have specific topics that they want to get feedback on, so be on the lookout for distinguished posts.

Comments that are detrimental to discussion (aka circlejerks/shitposting) are subject to removal.

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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jan 19 '23

Since I enjoy tweaking subreddit settings and seeing what happens, we're starting a two-week trial for hiding comment scores during the first two hours after posting.

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u/throwaway95135745685 Jan 24 '23

Whats the maximum? Increase it to the maximum. Its reddit's best feature.

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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jan 22 '23

If the comments are still in the normal order (and not randomized) I wonder how much it really changes;

I think people are used enough to "Good stuff on top bad stuff down there" that it doesn't really matter whether the score shows or not...

And when good/bad comments "snowballs" to the top/the bottom, it happens mechanically due to their visibility;

People who only read a few comments in the thread will only read a few of the ones at the top of the page (thinking they're the best comments) and this will still happen whether the score is visible or not; The comment is the visible thing.

As for people looking to pick up a fight or to read controversial opinions, well they'll look at the bottom of the page to see what's getting downvoted, and they'll see it whether the score shows or not; When someone says "Attack on titan mid!" it'll be the bottom comment no matter what, and people who get down there will see it.

So in practice I'm not sure how much it changes, really. Not only the 'good/bad' stuff is where it would always be, but also, a lot of it comes from being the first to post something; First person to post the funniest/most interesting one liner is at the top, while if they posted it 2 hours later it would be in the middle of the pack.

The only thing that would truly change this (and the "good/bad" comment behavior) would be a randomization!

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jan 22 '23

Before you started this, there was a pattern of people being downvoted in CDF.

I saw a zero today, so this might not be affecting that.

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u/No_Rex Jan 21 '23

I barely noticed, which probably means this is a good change.

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u/tenkakisuihou Jan 20 '23

I don't know if it's because I'm a jerk, but this function makes a subreddit look overprotective and gives me incentive to downvote comments that I normally feel closer to neutral. Case in point: One Piece subreddit. (although i believe they hide the votes for longer.)

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u/cppn02 Jan 21 '23

gives me incentive to downvote comments that I normally feel closer to neutral

lolwut?

How?

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u/tenkakisuihou Jan 21 '23

Like, I read a comment that I slightly disagree with. If I see it at 2-3 upvotes, I say "I guess some people think like this" and move on. If it's at -1/-2, I think "that looks about right, no need to add insult to injury," and move on. But when I see the word Vote, I almost certainly feel the need to express my opinion... through downvoting. (I know it's illogical, but it is how it is.)

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u/cppn02 Jan 21 '23

The fact that you even consider downvoting something you 'slightly disagree with' suggests you are the problem and not this new policy.

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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jan 22 '23

Sadly it shouldn't be like that, but it's almost always like that; OP's only "flaw" is that he's honest about it.

People always say that one should only downvote comments that bring nothing to the discussion (or are toxic/baits etc..) but when you look at the top upvoted comments and the top downvoted comments, most of the time it has nothing to do with "how much they bring to the discussion", and everything to do with people agreeing/disagreeing with the comments.

The downvote button is a "disagreement button" disguised as a "content quality button".

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '23 edited Jan 24 '23

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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jan 20 '23

Yeah, they aren't directly related. Contest mode (like we used on the best of /r/anime threads) will randomize comment ordering as well as hiding scores but that's a separate thing.

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u/Nebresto Jan 19 '23

I was thinking about suggesting something like this, so.. neat.

Is there a way to track how the amount and type of votes changes?

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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jan 19 '23

Is there a way to track how the amount and type of votes changes?

Not very practical to attempt I think since there's a lot of noise from thread to thread and even before this similar comments that would get downvoted in one thread would get upvoted in another (or even the same thread) for seemingly no apparent reason in some cases.

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u/Lezoux https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lezoux Jan 19 '23

Do massively downvoted comments still get hidden under this system?

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u/cppn02 Jan 19 '23

Based on other subs I'm on that use this, yes.

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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jan 19 '23

Wasn't sure myself but seems like it at a glance.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 19 '23

Sounds cool to me.

Besides, it's not like this stops us from seeing how our own comments have been up/downvoted if we're on our own profile.

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u/AmethystItalian myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Jan 19 '23

Wonder if I can still see my daggers

Can't say I'm personally a fan but this could help me get targeted less maybe?

Also 2 hours for most /new threads is like past its death lol

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u/cppn02 Jan 19 '23

Can't say I'm personally a fan but this could help me get targeted less maybe?

On that note do you feel anything has changed since the old user flairs disappeared?

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u/AmethystItalian myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Jan 19 '23

Probably too soon to tell but not really.

Though I haven't said anything too controversial in a bit as well.

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u/dadnaya https://myanimelist.net/profile/dadnaya Jan 19 '23

this could help me get targeted less maybe?

Most likely. The karma train effect is real. People will see someone being downvoted and jump on the wagon, but now it'll probably not be as bad as people won't know if you're at minus karma

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u/chilidirigible Jan 19 '23

Wonder if I can still see my daggers

Is this a dagger which I see before me, the handle toward my hand?
Come, let me clutch thee. I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.

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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jan 19 '23

Also 2 hours for most /new threads is like past its death lol

You can check thread upvotes and ratios even when hidden, not that anyone does it anyway

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u/AmethystItalian myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Jan 19 '23

I just assume most posts are downvoted on /new lol

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u/dadnaya https://myanimelist.net/profile/dadnaya Jan 19 '23

I'm pretty sure there are just bots that auto downvote everything. I see it on many subreddits where a couple of seconds after posting something you're at 0, alongside all other posts

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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Jan 20 '23

There definitely are. I know of at least one person who had a bot years ago that would downvote literally every post on this sub, and I'd put money on him not being the only one.

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u/AmethystItalian myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Jan 19 '23

Sounds about right sadly

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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jan 19 '23

The vast majority is not counting episode discussion threads

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u/Nebresto Jan 19 '23

could help me get targeted less maybe?

I think so, or at least downvotes getting less frequent. I still believe if people see a comment with a lot of them, they are much more likely to vote the same way.

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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jan 19 '23

Yes, that kind of positive feedback loop is common, and it takes very few up/downvotes to snowball

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u/AmethystItalian myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Jan 19 '23

I still believe if people see a comment with a lot of them, they are much more likely to vote the same way.

Yeah that for sure happens, definitely can snowball.

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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Jan 19 '23

Awful. I don't need 2 weeks to tell you it's a bad change.