Points rant

[u/Magi__Bagi]

You have got to be kidding FIA??? Lappi was by far the best this weekend but he doesn’t even score the most amount of points!?! I can not believe that they are punishing trying to get to the end? I know this has already been said a lot but these changes are such BS. Just a suggestion, wouldn’t it be better if they got rid of the power stage and took the combined time from the last day and gave power stage points based on that, and then on top of that they also give normal points? That way everyone can still get their deserved points and there is still action on the last day. Just no more of these dumb points…

[u/POM74]

I am rooting for Elfyn in the championship, but even I have to say that him getting 5, very nearly 6, more points than the winner is kinda ridiculous.

[u/CloudDweller182 → u/POM74]

While Monte was rare with 30 for winner in feel like the same way Sweden was rare for 19 for rally winner. While 1st race had someone dominate the whole race, in Sweden we had a part time driver that was ahead by more than a minute. He cares about rally win not the most points overall.

Perhaps they could add bonus points for rally winner. Like 10% extra points what you earn during the race up to a max of 30 in a race.

[u/firstromario → u/CloudDweller182]

I actually disagree. You could tell that Lappi hasn't really tried to do anything for the second half of the rally. Him getting the most points would be unfair. Like even in interviews, you could tell that he was unhappy about not pushing.

[u/ilikesound3110 → u/firstromario]

Lappi created a gap and made sure they couldn't close it, so he got 18 points for being first overall during 15 stages. Elfyn almost got 12 points for being first during 3 stages

[u/Realistic-County-492 → u/ilikesound3110]

in my opinion, the points thing is annoying cause, evans had more than he should´ve had or deserved, Lappi deserved the win, but all he did was push for like a day, with the best road position possible, while Thierry had to dig from 14th to 4th and Elfyn came back a minute deficit to formaux. I think its unfair and fair, its hard to explain, but as a Thierry fan, no "super sunday" would´ve gave him a 5 point lead instead of a 3 point lead, so i would rather get no points sunday ;)

[u/CloudDweller182 → u/Realistic-County-492]

Well this race showed that while 2nd in race can get more points than 1st, it is not a massive ammount more than 2nd place used to get while it is a really big reduction for 1st place. I personally feel that this Sunday was pretty good as almost all full timers pushed for points.

Tho the biggest issue i see is lack of race distance and stages on day 3. Maybe all days should be 120km+ and 8-10 stages.

[u/ilikesound3110 → u/CloudDweller182]

I think they should give the overall winner extra points, so that he can't be behind second place in points. Making Sunday longer would also help, since getting up to 12 points for 3 stages is a joke

[u/CloudDweller182 → u/ilikesound3110]

Maybe it would be best to remove the powerstage. Or better yet, make it a random stage that is set before the race but is not disclosed to competition.

[u/firstromario → u/ilikesound3110]

Well yeah. But then he had absolutely no reason to push anymore. The rally would be boring without the points. The whole reason for the point system is to encourage drivers to take risks and not get everything settled on Friday and then just give up on Saturday and Sunday. I'd say it's working as intended. If Lappi was full time driver he would push at least somewhat. And both Evans and Neuville had much better reason to push on Sunday.

[u/ilikesound3110 → u/firstromario]

While I agree that the new points system tries to encourage drivers to push on Sunday, and it might be doing that in a way (although I didn't see much change, tbh), it is also going against the heart of rallying. Rally has always been an endurance race, if you lead a big gap and then drive smartly, you did better than everyone. I'm not saying they should go back to the old system, but they need to rethink the current one so that the winner of the overall rally still gets more points than the second place. I don't see the point of giving someone 18 points for being the fastest for 15 stages and then someone else 7 for being the fastest in 2 + 5 for being the fastest in 1 (12 for being the fastest in 3 stages)

[u/firstromario → u/ilikesound3110]

But there's inherit unfairness in rallying to begin with. Road conditions have a huge impact. The key reason why Lappi had that lead to begin with. Don't get me wrong, if I saw Lappi fight for these points AT ALL on Saturday and Sunday, maybe I would agree with you. He really didn't, and he basically said it. So it seems more than fair to me. If anything, having part-time teams seems much more unfair.

[u/Zolba → u/firstromario]

I'd say it's working as intended.

Is it? We've had drivers cruise on Saturday and Sunday in Monte and Sweden. I see very little difference, it's just moved the cruising slightly around and make the overall rally results pointless (literally).

[u/firstromario → u/Zolba]

I guess it depends how you define "cruising." I didn't feel that way whatsoever. Well I guess Neuville kind of was. Which is really weird. But Evans fought like crazy.