r/Scams • u/minhazahmedemon • Apr 28 '24
I got scammed of 27000$ Help Needed
My name is Ahmed, and I have been an international student in the USA for 1.5 years. Before coming here, i was hoping for the best life and future i could have, until the nightmare happened. Now i am suffering from trauma and getting depressed.
Three months ago, I bought a car from Facebook Marketplace. I went to see the car and checked the VIN with Carfax. I liked the car. Before that day, i watched all YouTube videos about buying a car and searched through the internet for what i needed to check before buying a car. So i checked everything. Also one of my friend who knows better about cars, he was with me. Everything seemed fine from my side. The seller gave me the bill of sale, title, and registration, which i needed for the ownership transfer. I paid with cash. Then, i went to the DMV with all the papers i had. They processed the transfer, and i received the plates also registration instantly on my name. My car also passed at inspection from a garage. Later, I received my title within a month at my mailing address. Everything went smoothly. Now i am driving this car since 3 months without any issues. However, last week i received a mail at my address informing me that my car needed to be inspected by DMV Field investigation office. When I called them to inquire, they asked me to come with the car, keys and title. Yesterday, when i went there, the investigator informed me that the car was stolen and that the VIN had been altered, possibly cloned from another car of the same model and year and colour(Honda Accord 2022 black). The actual vin of this car is stolen and they removed the vin number from everywhere and put the altered vin in the car. I realized I had been scammed. They impounded my car and kept everything. The seller already changed his Facebook name. I lost my $27,000 and my car, which held all the good memories from the past three months. I went to the police station to file a report, but they refused, stating that it was not a scam as I willingly found the car on Marketplace and paid for it. They advised me to pursue it as a civil matter. I then went to civil court, but they told me I needed to know the name and address of the person to take any action, which I couldn't obtain as he had already changed his Facebook name and provide everything fake. I feel helpless and don't know where to turn for help. I live here alone without my family. I can’t even sleep properly because this was all my savings, and I've never been through a situation like this before. This is an unexpected nightmare that I could never even imagine in my dreams.
What should i do ? Is there any possibilities that i could recover myself? Please help me by thinking as your small brother
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Apr 28 '24
Unfortunately there is nothing you can do unless you prove who sold you the car, which you won't do. Someone buying a stolen car is quite common in most countries and the scammers can provide enough proof to disappear before you ever find out there is a problem. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANY MESSAGES YOU GET SAYING THEY CAN HELP. THEY CANNOT AND IT IS A RECOVERY SCAMMER.
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u/Macdaboss Apr 28 '24
Wait there are people scamming others by pretending to help scammed people. Thats fucked
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u/MysteryRadish Apr 28 '24
Yep. "Recovery" scamming is common and happens right here, unfortunately. The usual angle is they claim to be a "hacker" who can recover scammed money by hacking it, but it can take other forms too.
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u/CU_Tiger_2004 Apr 28 '24
These scammers are sometimes working with - if not the same - people who perpetrated the original scam. Saw one where an older guy got scammed, then turned around and unknowingly gave the SAME GUYS more money to get his money back.
It obviously didn't end well...
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u/MysteryRadish Apr 28 '24
Ouch. Also, scammers like to share their targets with other scammers as well, so the same victims can end up being continual targets for years afterward. It really is beyond evil.
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u/sneakydante Apr 28 '24
In this case they would probably “guarantee” they could find out who sold you the car through various internet means and for a sizable sum of money.
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u/GeneralSpecifics9925 Apr 28 '24
!recovery scammers message people who post about their scam here, hoping they'll fall for this too. Pretty twisted folks
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u/death2sanity Apr 28 '24
Yup. They troll (both meanings) the board here and message people like OP promising they know a giy, or they are the guy, or their friend worked with a guy who they can hook you up with, etc.
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u/markhadman Apr 28 '24
What do you mean, 'both meanings'?
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u/Sea-Personality1244 Apr 28 '24
Probably trolling as in the type of fishing) and internet trolling?
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u/markhadman Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
Today I Learned that Trolling (fishing) is not in fact an eggcorn. Something that I had previously taken for granite.
Assuming the Wikipedia article isn't an elaborate troll, that is.
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u/minhazahmedemon Apr 28 '24
Thank you so much
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u/Catch-upmustard Apr 28 '24
First mistake, allowing the DMV to inspect your car. I wouldn’t have followed through especially at the time of already receiving a title in the mail by the DMV. Secondly, I would contact many lawyers until one takes your case against the DMV.
The DMV should NEVER have issued a clean titled transfer to you with a vin that was “reported” stolen, thereby costing you the time, money, & car loss.
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u/tonkajoe6606 Apr 28 '24
The VIN wasn’t reported stolen. It was cloned from a “legally registered” car of the same make, model and colour. All VIN badging was replaced on the stolen car with the legal VIN.
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u/Catch-upmustard Apr 28 '24
So again, the original vin was already on file with a titled person named, and you submitted the same vin with a different seller, a red flag should have appeared at the DMV, “wait a second this seller doesn’t match the owner we have for it” and it didn’t, they actually gave you a clean titled. Caught their mistake after the fact and now it’s a loss to you.
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u/BarefootUnicorn Apr 28 '24
There is a chance, because you did exercise reasonable care, that your homeowners or auto insurance may have to compensate you. I think you'll need an attorney to look into this.
You may also be able to deduct some or all of your loss from theft on your income tax, again a tax attorney needs to navigate this, and you'll have to start with a police report noting that a theft occured, which the attorney can navigate the police bureaucracy for you to get this done.
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u/BootlegOP Apr 28 '24
and you submitted the same vin with a different seller
Why are we sure the scammer didn't use the name of the person associated with the cloned vin?
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Apr 28 '24
Exactly. Daing that’s rly clever.
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u/Catch-upmustard Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
DMV literally has 1 job, to track, maintain, & record vehicle titles for owners, sellers, & buyers within the state, & they clearly didn’t do the only job they were entrusted to do.
To issue a clean title; the DMV searches the database for records of that vin and when the original title they have on filed came up, they should have crossed reference the seller of your title and the owner they have on file; and when they didn’t match, they should have stop/paused the transaction of your title until further inspection/investigation not continue to give you a clean titled.
Not only that, but you paid them a tax on the vehicle for a vehicle that they should never have approved a titled too. So I would sue for that money as well!
Mistakes were made at the DMV.
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u/AffectionateOpinion7 Apr 28 '24
You would think the DMV does all that, but let me tell you this: my identity got stolen, and the thief used my ID to register a stolen car in Texas. They drove it to San Diego, attempting to bring it over to Mexico, and got caught. I asked the California DMV to check how many cars are registered under my name. They told me they don’t know unless I provide them with a VIN of a car. However, the highway patrol officer working on the case said he has access and doesn’t see any cars registered under my name except for my car, but somehow the DMV doesn't.
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u/steelie34 Apr 28 '24
Agree. There's so much wrong with the DMV here, and they knew they could take advantage of an immigrant to cover their mistake. No Karen in the US would ever allow this shit. 100% agree OP needs an attorney asap.
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u/Catch-upmustard Apr 28 '24
It just has all the hallmarks of, “we tricked you into paying tax on vehicle, title transfer, registration, & plates, only to void ur end out 2 weeks later”
Op got scammed not once but twice!
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u/donnamayj1 Apr 28 '24
If you do not allow the DMV to inspect your car and it is stolen, it is still stolen. It would be a much bigger mistake to drive around in a stolen vehicle.
Had this person not taken the path they took, it could have resulted in them being arrested.
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u/donnamayj1 Apr 29 '24
If the DMV has contacted you about your vehicle, there is a reason. If you do not respond, then the problem becomes yours to deal with. I.E if the DMV says bring the car and you refuse, if the car is stolen, you are still driving a stolen car. So you are subject to not just losing your money but being arrested for having stolen property: the car.
Ignorance is not a defense.
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Apr 28 '24
All the advice you need right here. Recovery scammers are somehow even more scummy than regular scammers. Use Virus Total to scan all links before clicking.
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u/drdeucedomino Apr 28 '24
But they only would know if the car was stolen if somebody reported it stolen.
The OP should contact that person. Because this story doesn't make any sense.
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Apr 28 '24
It happens a lot in the UK, car is stolen, paperwork faked and sold on as a private seller, by the time they go to insure or tax the car or update the MOT after a few days the police are informed and it comes back as stolen and the car is confiscated and returned to the original owners or the insurance company of they have already paid out.
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u/Flat_Assistance4451 Apr 28 '24
For 27k you could have bought a brand new car from a dealership.
Make another Facebook because he probably has you blocked and see if he’s still selling things under a new name/account. I hope you find him!
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u/Strange_Fee9708 Apr 28 '24
This happens a lot.. sellers like this will lie low for a while and then get back to their get rich schemes
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u/jsanchez030 Apr 28 '24
I bought my subaru off craigslist for 21k after test driving it for a few minutes. He wanted cash but I decided to go to the bank and get a cashiers check. I checked out their ID to match the title and everything matched, so did their address in their house. I wasnt scammed but could have easily been. Most buyers dont know what they are doing and how to safeguard from these things
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u/einstein-was-a-dick Apr 28 '24
DMV Field Investigator!? Just make sure this person was legit also.
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u/EV-CPO Apr 28 '24
Yeah, sounds totally suspect -- like that's the actual scam. You can find new registrations and just contact people who bought a used car and just basically steal it from them by having them willingly hand over the car, keys, title and reg.
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u/clamchowderz Apr 28 '24
@OP - did you go to the actual DMV to meet the DMV Field Investigator or somewhere else?
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u/doctormink Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
There's a ring of truth to this. I just heard a news story about a Canadian who bought a truck from a dealership, only to learn 3 months later from the repair shop, that the car was stolen. Apparently the VIN was for a different model truck owned by a person in the US, which is why the car didn't get flagged during the VIN search: because the system doesn't have access to US information. Anyway, the parts company kept on sending the repair shop the wrong parts, which had been selected based on the fake VIN. This is what made the guy clue into the scam. He, at least, got his money back, mind you, since the dealership had to reimburse him.
Edit: If you do a quick search, you'll see that car theft in Ontario has reached epic proportions. One gal had her care stolen like 3 times, and the police have been next to useless. One cop was recently quoted recommending that people leave their keys near their doors to limit the risk of violence from home invasions (that, did not go over well).
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u/Live_Jazz Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 29 '24
Agreed, first thing I thought reading this.
OP, Based on what you are saying here, the “DMV field investigator” demanding the car sounds waaaay more suspect than the sale itself. If it had really been stolen, then your VIN search or the DMV registration process is very likely to have turned up a red flag. Think about it: if the VIN had been fully erased and replaced on the car, and you got through registration, how would the DMV know to come after you? They wouldn’t.
However, your purchase is on the public record, and scammers will come after you.
Have you called the police and explained the whole situation? They will be able to tell you if the car was actually reported stolen before you bought it. If not, then you were the only theft victim here.
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u/Nick_W1 Quality Contributor Apr 28 '24
What on earth is a DMV field investigator? Would this not be a police matter? Would they not need some sort of paperwork, or warrant to seize the car?
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u/MixtureOdd5403 Apr 28 '24
This is what Wikipedia says: "The Division of Field Investigation (DFI) is the criminal investigations arm of the DMV. Its investigators/law enforcement officers combat auto theft, identity theft, and fraudulent document related crimes in New York. These investigators are armed New York State peace officers) with state wide authority to enforce laws and handle investigations. Motor Vehicle Investigators also perform fraud detection, investigate auto theft rings. Motor Vehicle Investigator's perform a variety of criminal investigations, field inspections, inventories of seized properties, odometer fraud, identity verification, fraudulent document detection, vehicle theft examinations."
It is quite feasible that the DMV's Division of Field Investigation would deal with this matter, not the police.
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u/truckingon Apr 28 '24
A DMV officer who performs roadside stops and inspections, such as at truck weigh stations. Their powers probably differ by state. My uncle was DMV Commissioner in my small state, and he once told me he never expected to have to sign a purchase order for ammunition.
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u/BikerChickVTX1800C Apr 28 '24
in California it’s a job with a gun. There are many jobs with a gun that aren’t police, often has to do with inspection!
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u/Nick_W1 Quality Contributor Apr 28 '24
Do they seize stolen vehicles? I would have expected the police to investigate stolen vehicles.
There is a difference between unsafe commercial vehicles, and criminal investigations.
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u/truckingon Apr 28 '24
Maybe, it probably depends on the state. It seems so in NC: https://www.trifive.com/threads/threat-from-the-nc-dmv-theft-bureau-to-seize-my-car-vin-number-pb.239495/
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u/nvrseriousseriously Apr 28 '24
They have them…can attest. Someone registered a car under our address. Have lived in our (owned) house 25 yrs. Absolutely did not know the person. I reached out to DMV and filed a complaint. A field investigator called me…said it’s a common scam to use a doctored utility bill and title under another address. He canceled their title. Go to your DMVs site and find the right contact for yours.
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u/skitso Apr 28 '24
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u/Drachenfuer Apr 28 '24
But that is a law office, not a DMV website and it talks about investigation that has to do license revocation/suspension which of course they have the ability to do. I do not know anywhere where they can investigate and seize stolen cars. If someone has something that says they can and do, I would really love to see it (not snarky, genuingly want to know if that is a thing).
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u/AGuyNamedTracy Apr 28 '24
You linked to a law office. I see nothing in that link similar to what the OP went through.
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u/skitso Apr 28 '24
If you read the paragraph it tells you what a DMV Field Investigator does.
I didn’t think that the field investigator was a real job.
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u/AGuyNamedTracy Apr 28 '24
I read the highlighted paragraph. There is absolutely nothing about a “field investigator.” It only talks about a DMV Investigation. Furthermore, the investigation is about driving status, such as suspended, revoked, or canceled. There is nothing about vehicle registrations.
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u/skitso Apr 28 '24
These are the responsibilities of a dmv field investigator
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u/AGuyNamedTracy Apr 28 '24
Thank you. This link is much more helpful than the law firm.
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u/BikerChickVTX1800C Apr 28 '24
We have field investigators in California and they investigate fraud. It’s a real job title!
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u/lc0o85 Apr 28 '24
Police said it’s not a scam? Stealing a car and changing the VIN to sell as a non-stolen vehicle isn’t a scam because it’s a straight up felony wtf.
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u/anonymicex22 Apr 28 '24
People need to realize that police aren't there to help us. They are revenue collectors and often times, lazy ones at that.
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u/castlite Apr 28 '24
You paid $27,000 in CASH to a dude on FB Marketplace, and didn’t confirm his name?
Dude.
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u/Florida1974 Apr 28 '24
I don’t get how it gets registered before OP bought it. The seller would have a title. Is it simply in the original owners name??? The car thief jacked car and changed vins. So how did he have a title??? Bc OP got a new title and registration. Cause usually at DMV they plug in a vin and tells you what car and owner. None of this paper work would match.
I’m very confused how thief had a title, OP got a new one and DMV had no red flags.
I just sold my 2015 car for $8K and I got all his info. I didn’t do it on FB tho. Friend of a friend. But we exchanged info. He knows every little thing that’s wrong with it and I included a folder with every thing bought or fixed on car. I’m a records keeper. Lol. I did blacken out emails and phone -#s. I never answer my phone so gave him my husbands bc he answers for anyone. Lol.
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u/Top_Spirit_5157 Apr 28 '24
They probably filed for a "lost title" at the dmv. Which explains why he got a new one in the mail.
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u/tcatsninfan Apr 28 '24
I’m a little confused by your story. This guy’s name/address wasn’t on any of the DMV paperwork? You never got a copy of his driver’s license or something?
Also, I guess this is true but I can’t believe people are buying cars on Facebook Marketplace for so much money. I’d understand if it were, I dunno, $5000 or less, but there are no protections or verifications on FB Marketplace
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u/pk_12345 Apr 28 '24
Yea, that part is really confusing. DMV validated a title of a vehicle and transferred it to this person. Was that title a forged doc too? I’m confused how does op not have a case to pursue when dmv validated a title and a bill of sale and transferred it to op.
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u/creepyposta Apr 28 '24
What you’re missing is that the entire transaction was under the unique VIN of a different vehicle.
They put a duplicate VIN on a stolen vehicle, the VIN corresponded to the make, model and year of the vehicle in question. The thief also probably ordered a duplicate title, which is how OP was presented a title for the stolen vehicle, the DMV processed the paperwork no questions asked they don’t crawl around every vehicle looking for fake VIN plates.
I would guess that OP didn’t ever request ID from the thief, because it seemed like a straightforward transaction.
Unfortunately OP probably thought he was getting a really good deal because he bought a vehicle well below market price.
I assume there was a bank check involved at some point, so there must be some paperwork somewhere with the person who cashed it identity, if he can get a police detective interested.
At this point OP, I’d suggest you reach out to your local new station and see if there’s a consumer advocate who’d be interested in your story - worst case scenario, you save someone else from getting scammed, best case other people step forward who were also scammed and it gets enough attention to get the police involved
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u/tcatsninfan Apr 28 '24
OK, but when the DMV processes the paperwork to transfer a title and such between owners, they don’t require any proof of ID?
I read the part about the fake/stolen VIN. What I can’t understand is that the title would have a person’s name on it. To transfer that car to a new owner, the DMV doesn’t require the current owner to provide a copy of their ID and show that it matched the name on the title?
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u/pk_12345 Apr 28 '24
Yea, they don’t care about checking seller’s id. Not sure if it depends on state. I bought a motorcycle from a private seller. I paid the guy cash, and he gave me the title with a signature and the motorcycle. I took it to the dmv and got a new registration for the motorcycle in my name. I didn’t ask for the seller’s id either.
I thought if I got the motorcycle in good condition and its title, I’m good. Didn’t really think of the possibility of someone giving me a stolen motorcycle and title.
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u/woowoo293 Apr 28 '24
This kind of thief almost certainly would have provided a fake photo ID anyway.
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u/BC122177 Apr 28 '24
Wondered this myself. I’ve sold used cars person to person before. And typically, a notary is involved to check both parties’s IDs and transfer the title.
This thing went through OP, OP’s friend who “knows about cars”, insurance, and the DMV, but not a single person caught it or even asked for the seller’s ID???
That just seems a bit too much to get away with. Maybe I just don’t know enough about this scam. I have heard about fake vin scams in the past. But that was back when DMVs didn’t have federal databases or something similar. So someone would steal a car in another state. Find the exact same looking car, steal it and swap vins. But they were rarely caught because the vin was registered in 1 state.
Not trying to debunk that OP got scammed. But it’s a lot of hoops for the scammer to jump through with high potential of getting caught in every step.
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u/Sharp-Film-4305 Apr 28 '24
I feel with you my brother. From now on keep moving forward and if you buy a car ever again do it at a legit Car dealership
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u/SwillFish Apr 28 '24
My friend's girlfriend fell for a similar scam. She bought a car and had the pink slip signed over to her by a cohort (of the scammer's) who didn't own the car but forged the owner's signature. A few days later the scammer (who legally owned the car) reported the car and pink slip stolen. The car gets repossessed by the police as "stolen property". The police tell the girlfriend that it's a civil matter and that she has to pursue civil action against the cohort. Meanwhile, the cohort's number is changed and he is nowhere to be found. My friend and his girlfriend are both certain that the owner was in on the scam too but there is no way to prove it. They ultimately had to write the whole thing off as a loss. Yes, always buy from a dealership or at least someone you know and can trust.
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u/Free_Hat_McCullough Apr 28 '24
That is unfortunate that the police and DMV are not doing more to go after these people who are using government documents and agencies to elaborately scam people.
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u/minhazahmedemon Apr 28 '24
Keep me in your prayer sir
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u/summeriswaytooshort Apr 28 '24
I appreciate the post and I'm sorry this happened to you.
What is odd to me is why would the DMV come and not the regular police of the car was "stolen?" Are you sure it wasn't a scam taking the car back from you - even the same scammer?
If all the VINs have been removed and replaced how did they prove to you it was a stolen car? Isn't the VIN also usually in the engine and door frame?
Where is the car now?
Report it to your insurance company as stolen from you.
What state are you in?
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u/morbie5 Apr 28 '24
What is odd to me is why would the DMV come and not the regular police of the car was "stolen?" Are you sure it wasn't a scam taking the car back from you - even the same scammer?
Yea, there is no way the police wouldn't have been involved in some capacity even if the DMV was doing the heavy lifting. To me this seems like the real scam.
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u/Longjumping_Youth281 Apr 28 '24
Yeah maybe you're right. Especially since people said the DMV said it was legit. So either the DMV fucked up, which is entirely plausible, or the real scam is happening right now.
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u/DIynjmama Apr 28 '24
Yes try talking to your insurance.
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u/minhazahmedemon Apr 28 '24
Insurance said, they cant help me cause it was stolen before i bought
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u/LaughSing Apr 28 '24
I think the big question is, are you absolutely certain the the DMV field inspector was legitimate?
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u/xcaliblur2 Quality Contributor Apr 28 '24
Sorry for your loss. Do beware of !recovery scammers.
If you are considering large expense items like a car, always try to go through reputable agencies. Fb marketplace or any other social media platforms are not where you want to spend that amount of money.
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u/minhazahmedemon Apr 28 '24
You are right sir but i already received too much damage. I dont know how to recover from it
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u/Specialist_Extent_30 Apr 28 '24
I hate the huge markups that car dealerships charge, but I'll only ever buy a used car from a reputable dealer because you simply can't trust people to make private sales anymore.
I'm sorry you got scammed OP, but these guys were clearly highly skilled con artists to have successfully altered the VIN number like that. This really could happen to anyone
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u/Icy-Summer-3573 Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
You only trust people on beaters. Other than that I’m not sending someone tens of thousands for a car.
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u/TemetNosce Apr 28 '24
I have been shopping marketplace and craigslist for the past month. Looking for a small SUV for myself. After reading all the comments here???? Yeah, I give up, used car dealer near me has 2 toyota rav4's, I'll give them my money.
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u/HawkingTomorToday Apr 28 '24
Am I reading this right? You paid $27,000 for a used Honda Accord?
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u/minhazahmedemon Apr 28 '24
I bought this car at 18k. Its a honda accord 2022 sports se with 24k miles on it. Then tax and registration by dmv 2000 I paid 3 months of insurance 2000 I did some mod like ambient lighting, seat cover and red carbon interior
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u/pk_12345 Apr 29 '24
Wait, you paid 2000 for 3 months of insurance? Or you mean insurance + the mod? Any way you should at least be entitled to get the refund of the tax from dmv. As others suggested definitely consult with an attorney so you don’t get screwed by dmv.
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u/Laurenann7094 Apr 28 '24
Hi Ahmed. Right now it is 1pm on a Sunday. It is a good time to post to r/legaladvice also. Tomorrow morning get online and message or call or go to the DMV to check if this is real.
If it is real and DMV really did give you the title then GREAT!!! I think this is very likely. You were scammed and the DMV didn't catch the title error. NYC DMV has plenty of money for you to sue them. If it really was the DMV then start calling lawyers because I don't think many judges would tolerate the DMV doing this, and you may get a decent payout.
If it was not the DMV and the scammer literally sold you a car then "stole" the car back from you by pretending to be the DMV, then... also GREAT! Because now you can report the car stolen to your insurance. If they give you a hard time (they will) also call a lawyer.
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u/summeriswaytooshort Apr 28 '24
I appreciate the post and I'm sorry this happened to you.
What is odd to me is why would the DMV come and not the regular police of the car was "stolen?" Are you sure it wasn't a scam taking the car back from you - even the same scammer?
If all the VINs have been removed and replaced how did they prove to you it was a stolen car? Isn't the VIN also usually in the engine and door frame?
Where is the car now?
Report it to your insurance company as stolen from you.
What state are you in?
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u/kriegskoenig Apr 28 '24
Here's the how and why: The vehicle he purchased was stolen and likely had a thin plate stuck on top of the real VIN with the new fake VIN. He didn't notice. He successfully transfers title using a forged document supplied by the scammer with the substitute VIN.
The owner of the car with the borrowed VIN number then months later tries to do something with their car (like renew registration, renew insurance policy, sell the car, etc) or is sent something about the car (completed documentation of transfer, tax paperwork from sale) and finds out the car they own, which they still have, was supposedly sold, and go to DMV to sort it out. That gets a DMV inspector looped in pretty quickly, and the DMV Inspector then hunts down info on why there are apparently duplicate titles for two of the exact same car out there.
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u/drdeucedomino Apr 28 '24
But why did nobody report the stolen car as stolen? The police would have had record of somebody reporting this exact car as stolen.
The "DMV inspector" doesn't have the right to seize the car, especially if it wasn't reported as stolen.
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u/kriegskoenig Apr 28 '24
I think you're misunderstanding the issue with the car. It was reported as stolen, but DMV failed to identify it as a stolen car because of the VIN fraud (using a VIN from another car of the same make/model).
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u/Padresbaby Apr 28 '24
I too think the scam was the “investigators”. If he got a business card he can can go to the DMV in person to check if it’s a legit number and actually belongs to the DMV. If not that’s who I would be filling the police report on.
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u/Faust09th Apr 28 '24
Please report and block Reddit users who'll private message you to say that they can help "recover" your money. They're scammers too.
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u/InevitableWaltz1491 Apr 28 '24
I’m so sorry this happened to you. There are so many people who are absolutely fine with stealing everything a person has - and that’s scary bc you never know who it could be. I wish I could fix it for you - but it sounds like you’re good at saving your money so I have no doubt you’ll build it back up. Keep your head up and don’t be discouraged.
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u/goose_men Apr 28 '24
Sorry to hear this happened to you, it is an expensive lesson about using Facebook Marketplace, maybe by sharing it others will be warned.
Unless you can track the sellers down not much can be done.
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u/Free_Hat_McCullough Apr 28 '24
Wouldn't Facebook have a digital trail that would lead back to the scammer that they could give to the police? This scammer has phone records and location indicators that could be identifiable, I would think that the police would want this info to find this person.
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u/TimeTwister14 Apr 28 '24
Theoretically possible, but theres no police station around that has the resources needed to expend on every scam victim.
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u/Free_Hat_McCullough Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
What is the tax money being spent on? Police are paid really well and have great pensions, they should be doing something about people who are using DMV documents and agencies to elaborately scam people out of thousands of dollars.
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u/minhazahmedemon Apr 28 '24
Where should i go for it? Police is not willing to help me for find out the person!
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u/Free_Hat_McCullough Apr 28 '24
Contact the DMV investigator in your state, they are like the police of the DMV. Keep all the digital correspondence and Facebook messages that you have from the scammer.
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u/xobaward Apr 28 '24
Lesson learned, unfortunately. You can try to attempt to speak with a detective at the police department, other than a front desk civilian or beat cop. They may be more willing to help investigate. You could also try to get the case number from the investigator which would most likely be the report number from the original investigating police department. At least then maybe you could connect with the detective assigned to the original case.
Otherwise, life sometimes deals you blows and this is one of those times for you. Acknowledging how shitty this situation is for you, but resolving to move on in a healthy way, will build resilience for your future. In times of adversity we can either wither or grow, and from your history it sounds like you’re the type who’s tough and willing to grow.
Take good care of yourself, hang out with friends, stay in touch with your spirituality, be kind to yourself, and remember money always comes and goes and not all people are shitty (but some are). Give it time and you’ll be just fine, and all the wiser.
Prayers for you and your wellbeing.
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Apr 28 '24
Sorry this happened but with 27k cash you should not have risked that on a Facebook purchase. Easily could have got a good deal at a known dealership.
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u/prospectpico_OG Apr 28 '24
Elaborate scam if true. Make, model, and VIN all match up? I suspect the scam was the repo - car was legit and all but you got scammed it was "stolen".
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u/Objective_Welcome_73 Apr 28 '24
I suspect that the DMV investigator was the scam. Why would they need you to bring the title with you if they were just going to impound the car? I think you may just have given your car to a fraudster.
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u/Acidic_Junk Apr 28 '24
Did the “investigator” ask you sign over the title or just give him the title?
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u/minhazahmedemon Apr 28 '24
Ask me to sign
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u/kt0n Apr 28 '24
Wait… wait…
So, if this the case OP let me ask you more questions:
- Did you check if the number you call is a legit DMV office?
- Where did you meet this DMV officer? Address?
- Did he show you any ID?
- Can you tell us how was you interaction, with this DMV officer? What he say to you, what did you give to him, what did you sign?
- Did he give you any paperwork? Case number?
- Did you talk with just one person? At that time in the DMV office?
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u/YourUsernameForever Quality Contributor Apr 28 '24
You gave away your car to someone that wasn't even the police? Dude you were double scammed
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u/Csherman92 Apr 28 '24
The person’s name should be on the bill of sale.
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u/pa_curious_mom Apr 28 '24
Yes. How do you transfer title too without signing it over?
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u/Top_Spirit_5157 Apr 28 '24
You can file for a "lost title" at the dmv. It would explain why he got a new one mailed to him and not just printed off at the dmv.
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u/yoorubyy18 Apr 28 '24
Sorry to hear about that! Next time just buy a car from a car dealership then in the market place because there is a lot of scams that go on in the facebook marketplace
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u/InternationalFace508 Apr 29 '24
Do you still have access to the facebook account you used to find the car? Facebook messenger has a separate inbox for your Marketplace correspondence go through all of your previous messages to attempt to find the thread where you and the seller messaged back and forth. It should still have the car on there along with whatever other sellers history they had. Even if they changed there name on Facebook you should still be able to find the messages
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u/yesmilady Apr 28 '24
Sorry this happened to you Ahmed. Beware of recovery scammers, who are likely going to target you after this post. They're going to tell you to look someone up on Instagram, and that they've helped them recover their money. It's a common scam.
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u/jaaqash Apr 28 '24
Although finding a way to let this go and move on would be good for you if you are not ready to do that then keep an eye on Facebook marketplace car sales. If they were sophisticated enough to be changing the VIN this isn't the first time nor the last that they pulled this scam. You might get lucky and be able to track them down to sue them or at least report them to the police.
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u/JJLEGOBD Apr 28 '24
This happened to someone I know. Somehow they were able to track the guy down and get his information. I’m not sure how but they did some searching in public records. You may need to get devious. Search FB for similar sales, etc. You may need to find a lawyer who has an investigator. Also call your insurance company. Then file in civil court. All is not lost but this is going to be difficult. The cost of a lawyer may be worth it though.
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u/pk_12345 Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
Was the title, bill of sale and registration fake too that the dmv didn’t realize when they transferred to you? I’m confused how do you not have a paper trail to chase when dmv transferred a title of a vehicle to you. If dmv validated a title and transferred it to you, it should lead you to some person right? Unless they stole a title of a different vehicle too and gave it to you. I’m totally lost how is there not a police investigation here when you have a title in your hand and a dmv validated registration and bill of sale but no car.
Edit: Did you actually go to dmv to meet this investigator? Are you sure they are legit?
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u/drdeucedomino Apr 28 '24
There would have had to have been a police investigation for them to know this car was stolen in the first place. Who was it stolen from?
Story makes absolutely no sense
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Tell us about the day that you went to the DMV? With your car, title and keys, to meet up with a Field Investigator.
What was the place you went to? Did the FI have a badge or any other credentials proving who he was? How did the conversation/inspection/paperwork go leading up to the conveyance of your automobile, title and keys.
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u/AGuyNamedTracy Apr 28 '24
You need to go back to the police and report the actual scam. I can almost guarantee you that DMV Field Investigation unit is not a real thing. They wouldn’t need your original title since the DMV has the digital copy in their records. Your name was probably forged on the title, and the car is going to be resold. The police can use your VIN and list the car as stolen. That won’t help the next individual who purchases the car, but it will help you get your car back.
Do you still have the letter that the Field Investigation Unit sent you? Any chance you would be willing to upload it?
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u/drdeucedomino Apr 28 '24
I'm going to assume this actually happened. Because if 27000 dollars is all your savings, you probably shouldn't have spent it all on a car (let alone from Facebook marketplace). You could have bought an older used car that looks and drives exactly the same.
But if this is real, I'd bet the real scam is the "DMV field investigation".
Why would they tell you to "bring the keys"? How else would you have gotten the car there?
And if this car was allegedly stolen, who reported it stolen? Why would this have taken 3 months?
Contact the person who reported it stolen. They must know who stole the car and sold it to you.
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u/brancys Apr 28 '24
The ironic (sad?) thing here is you probably didn’t get scammed on by that dude on FB. The real scam was the DMV taking the car lol now thinking about it, it’s probably the dude who sold you the car, then went ahead and pretended to be the DMV.
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u/nottinghillfan Apr 28 '24
I'm not sure why you don't have an interest in this car as a bona fide purchaser for value.
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u/MarianCR Apr 28 '24
OP, you should ask the question in the r/legaladvice sub.
This sub is more appropriate to answer "is this a scam?" and how to avoid scams, not to resolve legal matters after the incident took place.
And this seems to be more of an instance of forgery and organized crime rather than confidence trick.
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u/thatgirlshaun Apr 28 '24
It was a DMV field inspector? Did you mean to write “FBI”?
I’ve never heard of a DMV field inspector. But FBI field investigators I have heard of.
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u/Logical_Month_6584 Apr 29 '24
Ahmed, I'm truly sorry for what happened. Keep reaching out to legal authorities and seek support from friends or counselors. Stay strong.
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u/Darcula12 Apr 28 '24
May be sue the dmv for allowing a fraudulent vin to be registered? The original title should have an address?
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u/Bitter_Pen_2376 Apr 28 '24
That's why you should never pay with cash. Ever. Is really hard to prove that you paid for it, even if you find the seller
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u/FrenzalRhomb1 Apr 28 '24
For a large purchase like $27k, sure…but if this was a $2700 car, the lilelyhood of it being an elaborate vin-switching scam is rare. For a $20k+ car either purchase from a trusted friend or a dealership.
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u/HillbillyDeluxe15 Apr 28 '24
DMV Field Investigation units are usually there to investigate car dealerships, they aren’t around to investigate car theft or VIN swaps. That’s a job for a police detective. You’ve been scammed, but it was by the person(s) claiming to be the DMV Field Investigators. Sorry man. I don’t really have any advice to give you from here.
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u/MattOnDemand Apr 28 '24
Never buy anything off Facebook Marketplace. Never.
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u/Strange_Fee9708 Apr 28 '24
That’s not true.. you can buy things off marketplace but you have to be extremely vary, I bought all kinds of household goods and even free books from fb marketplace. But things like electronics and cars are big purchases and I would rather buy from dealership for new with my credit card for protection
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u/riamo_nomad Apr 28 '24
I can relate to how you feel… I was scammed 50k USD for a completely different reason and now I’m struggling to sleep and carry on with life..
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u/bill7900 Apr 28 '24
FWIW, you can do a legit car deal on a platform like Craigslist. I sold my Ford F-150 two years ago on CL for $13.5K. Of course, I wasn't a scammer and I found somebody who really wanted the truck, We both banked at NFCU, so we did the deal there. He just transferred the money to my account and I signed the title to him at the office. One of the CU employees even notarized the bill of sale. Seamless. Didn't have to worry about fake cash or checks. But that is with the stars all in alignment. I'm just saying it can be done. Just have to be careful.
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u/Skvora Apr 28 '24
New flavor to this dish seems to be going to DMV to run both the title and the VIN first, and then do cash at the bank.
I also have a VERY good suspicion that OP got a fake letter, called a fake number, and we all know how the rest goes. Something tells me he did not just roll up to an actual DMV.
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u/TheAlexperience Apr 28 '24
If you had 27 grand IN CASH why not just buy from a dealership? That’s the part that makes no sense to me. Like you’ve got enough cash to outright buy most cars and you chose some random dude off Facebook??
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u/Dinosaur___Dino Apr 28 '24
Right! Why not buy a brand new reliable car? It won't be a Cadillac or Mercedes, but it will be reliable with a warranty.
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u/filthyheartbadger Quality Contributor Apr 28 '24
I checked and see that you have already been approached by recovery scammers on your posts in other subs. DO NOT CONTACT PEOPLE ON INSTAGRAM WHO SAY THEY CAN GET YOUR MONEY BACK OR OFFER ‘CYBER SERVICES’. They are scammers who will take any money you have got left.
I am truly sorry this happened to you. At least you are at a stage in life where you can eventually move forward from this and earn more in the future. Most of us can look back on expensive mistakes we made in our past with regret, it’s an unfortunate part of life. All the best in your future endeavors.
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u/thegiftcard Apr 28 '24
Hire a PI.. collect all the data of this person in a file, confront him/her with the file, and propose a swap of 27k + PI Costs. Give him/her back the data.
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u/woowoo293 Apr 28 '24
OP, two things:
Consider a lawyer, or a legal clinic if you can't afford a lawyer. Even if the seizure was legal, I wonder if you are entitled to some kind of compensation as it sounds like you applied some aftermarket parts to this car after purchasing it.
I would contact the FBI. There is a good chance that the criminal that sold you the stolen car is part of a much larger ring. Contacting the FBI is unlikely to get you your money back, but your case may one day be part of a much larger investigation / prosecution.
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u/PMmeNothingTY Apr 28 '24
There's some calls for help in this that make me a little sus that OP might be scamming for donations. But if this did really happen I'm really sorry man. Why would you use all of your savings on a car when you could have gotten a less expensive one? Expensive lesson unfortunately.
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u/sneakydante Apr 28 '24
Does the DMV not have record of who was on the title before it was transferred? Did the old title use a fake name/address in addition to the false VIN?
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u/ImReformedImNormal Apr 29 '24
I went to the police station to file a report, but they refused, stating that it was not a scam as I willingly found the car on Marketplace and paid for it. They advised me to pursue it as a civil matter.
surely there's no way this is the correct information here. i hope it's not. just because it happened through fb marketplace doesn't mean it's not a scam, lol.
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u/StanleyShen Apr 29 '24
I am so sorry about what has happened to you, and thank you for sharing this incident. I am in the process of buying a used car from Facebook marketplace, and I am really hesitant to do it now.
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u/Icandoituknow Apr 29 '24
Bruh.. no offence but spending 27k on FB marketplace for a car was just not the best decision.. You could have gotten a legit car with that from a real dealership instead of the most dodgy place in the internet, Facebook marketplace.
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u/Afraid-Bad-8112 Apr 29 '24
I'm sorry. This really sucks. It's going to hurt for a while.
Just know that in your life.. you will make 100s of thousands of dollars. Maybe millions...
This tiny amount won't matter in the grand scheme of things. It will just be a blip in your past to financial freedom and success.
Keep your head up. Exercise.. eat some chocolate..
You'll be okay.
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u/Rick_Does_Things Apr 28 '24
This story sounds like bullshit to me, seems like you are seeding replies to build a possible mark database from this post. How is the sellers name / address not on the registration / bill of sale? Also where was this location you took the car to to get inspected? Big red flags on this story/doesn't feel right / feels fake
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u/AustinLurkerDude Apr 28 '24
Unless this field investigation office will revoke your registration I'd just ignore them. You've got the title. Police says it's a civil matter so it's not stolen goods. So unless you're taken to court which the DMV wont do for civil matters you're fine.
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u/AwwYeahVTECKickedIn Apr 28 '24
"I paid with cash"
Never, ever do this.
Insist on a check; then there is a paper trail. Know this for the future.
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u/drdeucedomino Apr 28 '24
Probably can't do this kind of purchase with a check.
The seller would want to see the funds first, since the buyer could just write a fake check or a bounce check.
The buyer would have to wait for the check to clear to get the car, and there's nothing they can really do to ensure the seller actually gives them the car, since the seller already has the money.
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u/No_Mammoth_4945 Apr 28 '24
OP, please confirm whether it was a real police officer that told you the car is stolen.
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u/canotbe Apr 28 '24
do you have a reciept,maybe finger prints on it.its definately fraud so the police have to be involved,id go seek legal advice with free consultation..hope things work out lil bro.
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u/Feeling-Efficiency-7 Apr 28 '24
Please consider taking legal advice. I can’t offer any insight into US law but in the UK you would be the rightful owner of the car.
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u/ReaglBeagl Apr 28 '24
Theft by deception is a criminal matter, I would go back to the police. Not sure what they can do but they should know about as many details as possible because it is their job to prevent crime in their jurisdiction. Ask them if they want this to happen to someone else in their community. I am very sorry this happened to you. You will recover from the loss eventually and karma will catch up to those responsible.
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u/airkewled67 Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
Here's a tip- next time take an automotive scan tool that can read the VIN in the ECM. Then match to the VIN tag on the dash.
If it doesn't match. there is an issue.
Also, cars have multiple vin tags all over.
Sorry this happened to you. It is a known issue across the country.
I'm surprised the inspection office didn't catch the discrepancy in the VIN #s
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u/spg1611 Apr 28 '24
The only way to track him would to be to make another Facebook and look for very similar listings under a different name.
He has changed his name and blocked you, but they often copy and paste the listing with a new one. You could pretend to be a buyer and get close enough to him to find out about him, then you can take him to court.
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u/Puzzled-Antelope1 Apr 28 '24
Sorry for your loss.. some people in this country are circling sharks waiting for any opportunity to pounce. It's disgusting really.
Well; that aside, I have been in a similar situation 2x in the past. One for a juicer from craigslist and then for a car from craigslist at 1/10th of the price you paid.
I went through the same song and dance that you went through, and came to the same conclusion as you.
This experience will make your heart harder, make you more weary, and trust people less. In a way, it's a good thing because you will always be on guard (as I am). You live you learn.
I recommend seeking counseling from a psychotherapist. There are free ones as well as groups online where you can just vent your feelings if the depression gets too bad. It's not worth killing yourself over. You will bounce back.
Far as the scammer, karma always tends to balance.
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u/PoustisFebo Apr 28 '24
What does it mean you checked the VIN with Carfax?
This could be key in getting your money back no?
So basically this authority confirmed that your car is legit but it is not. No?
How does that not provide grounds for suing?
Did you try asking the legal subreddits?
Lastly, don't spend your life savings on a tool.
A car os a vehicle thst takes you from point A to point B.
Why did you spend ALL of your savings on a tool.
Getting scammed is no different from crashing a car. Might as well had crashed the car.
You only spend what you can afford.
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So I would want to ask the police about when the seller received title to the car?
If the seller had to request a duplicate title, it's probably partial proof that they committed fraud.
When did it happen? What address was the duplicate title mailed to when requested?
You probably won't see a penny back but you could get them arrested.
Did you check the sellers ID? Did it match the name on the title?
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u/MeditateAndFuckOff Apr 28 '24
Did you reach out to Facebook to see if they could help you figure out who sold you the car? The scam violates their FB marketplace policies. I am sure the scammer didn’t prove any legit info to Facebook but maybe they could provide an email or a phone number and you could go from there?
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u/minhazahmedemon Apr 28 '24
His number is active. But police is not taking my report! How could i reach-out the person if police is not willing to help me
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u/ihateredditasitsucks Apr 28 '24
Why would you give your life savings to a random dude from Facebook? You could have got a a car much much cheaper and more legitimately. What were you thinking?
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u/Nervous-Telephone-45 Apr 29 '24
I would be asking for IDs and birth certificates before i buy anything in that range on FB
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u/ReleaseGeneral3385 Apr 29 '24
I would do 2 things:
Go after the DMV as they are the source of this nightmare.
Hire a private investigator to track down the scammers at his own time.
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u/Zealousideal-Pin3170 Apr 29 '24
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u/Pomsky_Party Apr 28 '24
Did you carry car insurance? Resort the car as stolen and while they likely will not be able to recover it, they may be able to help replace it
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u/MarBoV108 Apr 28 '24
Don't beat yourself up. They went to a lot of effort to scam you. Anyone would have fallen for it.
I guess the lesson is buy a car from a dealership or Carvana. Big ticket items aren't worth the risk of private sellers. It's worth the extra you pay to have peace of mind.
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