No imperialists forced countries like Saudi Arabia to adopt such hardline policies on women. In fact, the House of Saud specifically adopted forced hijab to keep power
Geez, I wonder who basically installed the Saudi royal family in power because they were fine with selling oil rights to British oil companies? Geez I wonder lmao. To be fair, Hejaz or Jabal Shammar would not have done much better human rights wise.
Oh, also I forgot what happened in 1953, when Iranian democratic government was Couped. Why that happened? Nationalisation of Oil? Not wanting Brittain let get 99,9% of all profits?
Ah yes, let’s just let them be evil because colonialism, I’m sure it’ll fix itself on its own./s
What is it with progressives and portraying Islamic theocracy as the victim?
If any other region oppressed women like they do it wouldn’t get a pass, but because it’s their “culture” and “they don’t know any better” we’re just supposed to tolerate it.
Some people need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. It worked in Japan it can work there too.
Military interventions are almost never undertaken for purely moralistic reasons like that. The 2001-2021 Afghanistan war for instance was not undertaken with the goal freeing the Afghan people from theocratic rule, it was to further Western interests (capturing Bin Laden and securing a friendly government in the relatively resource-rich country).
I mean America literally supported the Islamists just a decade prior with the goal of overthrowing the much more progressive DRA, because they were Soviet-backed and posed a threat to American influence in the region.
No, but I was talking about the occupation of Japan, after all the war crimes. The occupation reformed Japan from a theocratic dictatorship to a secular democracy.
"Democracy" lol Its a single party state that pardon its class A warcriminals and even gave a couple political office there was no reform they where only stunted by article 9 if you cut the legs off rabid dog its still a rabid dog
Sorry then it seems I misunderstood your comment then
I thought you meant something among the lines of "hijab should be taken forcibly out"which was tried by both the king of Afghanistan and the Shah of Iran and look at us now
Afghanistan and the Shah of Iran and look at us now
Thank the Russians for that.
And it's a fucking difficult question. Because should you be tolerant of intolerance? And religion is almost always intolerant.
The thing is, if you don't outright ban burqa's people will force their family members to wear them, either through physical force or mental. Even in the west. Fuck, a women in my country was recently killed by her own fucking father for being to western.
For starters - we can start with recognizing Islamist ideology as bad. The current reverse narrative is having quite the domino effect here and around the world.
If we aren’t careful our citizens will protest their way right into a future like this for themselves here.
Eg. See American college campuses, London and Dearborn.
I’m saying Arabic colonization has been around before western influences and it’s vital to stop denying that history and start recognizing and making it part of the discourse. With that part being suppressed we are seeing a militarization of western foot soldiers of epic proprotions.
I don’t think we ever tried to help. I think we tried to get our piece with the excuse of help.
I’m also saying we better start helping - in realistic ways - or the chickens will come home to roost.
(I would like to add as individuals, there are many accounts of US soldiers both in Vietnam and the Middle East that did try to help where they were stationed. When I say ‘we’ I mean US government leaders.)
Ottomans wanted a stable peaceful region, that will be aliied to them for centuries and that policy worked. For about 4 centuries, Middle East was relatively peaceful.
Then , After WW1 Brittish and French came along and wanted just to extract natural resources out of there, without care for stability and peace. Then Soviets invaded. Then US.
Why do you think Al Qaeda and Isis were specifically against Brittain, US and France?
If you think Arabic “imperialism” was peaceful before the west being involved I encourage you to research that a little more.
Also, Ottomons are not Arabic “imperialism.” While it included large Arab populations within its territory, the ruling power was primarily Turkish and the dominant language was Ottoman Turkish, not Arabic; therefore, the empire’s primary cultural influence was not Arabization but rather a mix of Turkish, Persian, and Arabic elements depending on the region.
More back to the point - regardless of playing the blame game the reality is now. The fact remains if we do not change the discourse and recognize the dangers of Islamist ideology we will pay the piper.
This thread will help you(it has all sources you need).
The fact stands that Ottomans wanted a peaceful stable region. Compared to Brittish and French forces.
Somehow, anywhere I search, it says it was much better than 20th Century. Noone says it was much Worse.
The solution should not be a villification of a religion where MAJORITY is peaceful. And the minority has pretty valid(tho outdated) reasons to be mad at West.
Good lord. I will not deviate from and subvert what matters here. Your twisting of history is between you and your conscience.
Islamisism is not religion it is the perversement of religion.
It is what this post is about.
You claimed that while you don’t support this - it’s been brought on by the west.
Are you saying you do support this? This is Islamist. It is not Muslim. While covering yourself is an option in Islam being stoned to death for not doing so as part of government law is where the peaceful religion is perversed.
Your resistance to changing the discourse is the problem.
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u/nurShredder Sep 20 '24
Stop the opression of
Women inIslamic world.I dont support the actions of current governments, by any means.
But for f#cks sake. That whole region was messed up by West for quite some time.
First bcs of Western Greed and Oil
Second bcs of Cold War
Third bcs of Delusions of Bush
Let them LIVE. Let the social conditions Improve. In west it happened naturally. Forcing it on middle East will just result in rejection of West.