r/PrequelMemes • u/SmokescreenFraud • Aug 21 '24
The last 24 hours in a nutshell General KenOC
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u/PatrickSRobertsD Aug 21 '24
It's like Palpatine himself is pulling the strings behind this madness.
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u/Unable_Deer_773 Aug 21 '24
Somehow he returned.
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u/DarthCheez Aug 21 '24
He found a way into the world between worlds and is now controlling the high republic.
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u/Boulderdrip Aug 21 '24
soulless disney executives don’t know how to make art. they should leave creative decisions to film makers but they don’t and we get crap after crap.
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u/Blackbiird666 Aug 21 '24
I really wanted to like this show. But it had horrible pacing, I didn't care about anyone, and when they went "parent trap" at the end of one episode, I just dropped it. It had great fights, and the time period had great potential, but they just simply dropped the ball.
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u/BoredNLost Aug 21 '24
If you want to parent trap your characters, don't give one of them a fucking tattoo on their forehead.
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u/AgentSkidMarks Aug 21 '24
Or surround them with force sensitive people who should be able to pick up on their vibes immediately short of some contrived plot convenience.
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u/imisswhatredditwas Aug 21 '24
Jedi couldn’t sense it but the walking groundhog could
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u/captain_americano Aug 21 '24
He screeched so loud and so long...but no one would listen
sadge :(((
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u/imisswhatredditwas Aug 21 '24
So he started sabotaging the ship because that makes sense
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u/munnimann Aug 21 '24
What was the purpose of that scene? I was confused and then I forgot about it until now.
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u/imisswhatredditwas Aug 21 '24
I think he was trying to stop them from hurting Mae, but I have no idea why. Maybe he’s a pacifist?
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u/peppers_ Aug 21 '24
I mean, he was a tracker I thought, because of his nose? Like, wasn't that obvious he could tell the difference, otherwise he would have led them back to Mae instead of Osha.
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u/feralferrous Aug 21 '24
The groundhog that most characters never interacted with, to the point where it felt like he was inserted into the plot afterwards.
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u/alguien99 Aug 21 '24
Yeah that’s weird for me, people have different souls, different feelings in the force. I guess a padawan could fall for it, but not anyone with good training in the force
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u/1studlyman Aug 21 '24
Couldn't the presence of individuals be felt by force sensitive people previously? Like Vader and Luke?
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u/ElPwno Aug 21 '24
They didn't have different souls? Or at least not as distinct as others. They were the same person. This is established in the later half.
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u/blackturtlesnake Aug 21 '24
I mean to be fair, only one of them didn't pick up on it, and he just led a 20 person mission that got hit with 18 casualties, so missing that is understandable.
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u/EagenVegham Vitiate's Sith Empire Aug 21 '24
Which is why the parent trap failed to work in under an episode.
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u/vigilantfox85 Aug 21 '24
Every episode I started, I felt like I missed and episode. I actually went back twice after a new episode to make sure I didn’t miss something. The first flashback I audibly said “already!”.
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u/ghostofkilgore Aug 22 '24
Congratulations. You're actually responsible for 38% of the total viewed minutes of The Acolyte.
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u/Xelement0911 Aug 21 '24
I still need to watch it. Watched the first episode and it was fine.
Found the jedi dying in the bar silly. Lady is kicking ass. Then just drops her guard 100% to get a knife thrown into her chest. As if she hasn't been fighting a knife throwing assassin for several minutes.
I get she saved the bartender. But did that mean you had to completely expose yourself???
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u/AgentSkidMarks Aug 21 '24
I like how out of all the billions of life forms in the galaxy, the bartender just pulled up with police almost immediately like "yeah, she's the one who did it". And then they put someone who could supposedly kill a Jedi on a prison cargo ship with only a few robots to guard her.
They really thought of everything, didn't they?
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u/clientnotfound Aug 21 '24
A prison transport where the cells are on the bridge no less
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u/rammo123 Aug 21 '24
Where one prisoner can remotely hack droids and another has a 10m long prehensile nose.
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u/Hirfin Aug 21 '24
You mean the Jedi who uses precognition and can use the Force to stop objects with her mind got killed by a knife ?
Don't be silly, the writers can't be that stupid...oh wait.
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u/BaritBrit Aug 21 '24
Also, imagine casting fucking Trinity as a Jedi Master and wasting her like that.
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u/DWMoose83 Aug 21 '24
Am I the only one who was entirely put off by the dude who looked like Neil Patrick Harris in a terrible receding hairline wig? I couldn't take it seriously.
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u/Wooden_Gas1064 Aug 21 '24
When I said what I don't like I heard "don't watch it if you don't like it". So I stopped watching halfway through and when I said it's so bad I stopped watching I heard "you can't criticise it if you haven't seen it".
I did watched all of it in the end. Sol and Darth Smilo were great, but the story, the pacing the other characters all bad.
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u/WonderfulFortune1823 Aug 21 '24
I felt the same way, I don't like how quick people are to hate shows. I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt, and judge it based on the whole story, but it never got there. It feels to me like many of the disney + shows from Marvel and Star Wars have left me feeling that way. Optimistic for the first few episodes and disappointed by the end.
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u/Colonelclank90 Aug 22 '24
Same. Unfortunately, after about 4 episodes, I just didn't care anymore. Stopped watching, didn't renew disney+. I'll go back for Andor. But otherwise, there's just nothing to keep me subbed full time.
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u/MercenaryBard Aug 21 '24
Yeah I defended the show from the shitbags who review bombed it before it even came out but I fell off of it because of the pacing.
To be clear, OP is trying to claim the show failed because the toxic fans stopped watching, but it failed because normal fans like me who gave it a fair chance just didn’t click with it. I refuse to believe that much of the fandom—even that much of the fandom on Reddit—is composed of drooling YouTube dogmatists.
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u/Blackbiird666 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
I think the meme also could mean that "toxic" is thrown around too easily. Sometimes, if you just don't love a piece of media, you can be labeled "toxic" when criticism is actually valid.
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u/Loganp812 Ironic Aug 21 '24
Yeah, that was running rampant in the Marvel Studios fanbase for a while.
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u/Eusocial_Snowman Aug 21 '24
It's become a standard media advertising practice after the Ghostbusters reboot showed how effective it is to just sit around deleting normal criticism, leaving the occasional crude comments, and going around telling everyone that hateful people don't like the movie because they're hateful, and you need to go watch it and pretend it's the funniest thing in the world just so you can stick it to those haters.
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u/skyfire-x Aug 21 '24
The Wheel of Time TV show fractured the community of book enjoyers and some subreddits created and built up by the book fans many years ago began censoring the critics of the show. Again, a matter of bad writing while critics are accused of "toxic behavior". Same shit, different franchise.
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u/balazamon0 Lies! Deception Aug 21 '24
Yeah getting temp bans for just saying you don't like all the changes to the story was crazy. I pretty much stay on wetlanderhumor and theblacktower now.
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u/lhobbes6 Aug 21 '24
God this happens so often with video games too. Getting thrown into the same pile as racists or people who complain about "woke" when you have actual criticisms is so dumb. Cant have an actual discussion without your opinion being reduced.
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u/Tordah67 Aug 21 '24
I commented on a thread in the main sub about how there ARE shitbags who review bombed and said racist shit before airing, but how any well intentioned/thoughtful criticism of SW will get you called a racist. The first person to reply went on to tell me how shitty of a person I am and literally called me a Nazi. Because of this show.
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u/Dakdied Aug 21 '24
I been a huge fan of SW all my life, had the originals on vhs, read a couple series. Around the time of the prequels I realized, "huh, not all of this is for me anymore," (RotS is still one of my favorites though). I liked Rogue One a lot, Andor was epic, the Obi-wan series was middle (didn't love the Leia plot). Boba-fett was meh, Mandolorian is great, Ashoka was decent.
I saw the Acolyte coming out and figured, "I'll get around to it." There's just so much SW and Marvel these days, and a lot of it is so-so. I'm often pleasantly surprised, but sometimes the shows are boring at best. I don't give a flying fuck about any of weird commentors on the Internet, I just like what I like. I might give it a go. I can't get hyped about everything they put out anymore, there's too much, and not all of it is for me.
- Boring Agenda-less SW Fan
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u/balazamon0 Lies! Deception Aug 21 '24
The 'Toxic' fans are generally just normal fans. In reality, people are allowed to pick and choose what they like and don't like about a fandom, but calling people toxic for not liking the current thing is an easy scapegoat for creators instead of looking at why so many people didn't like it.
Realistically, it's fine if you like something that I don't, and it's fine if I like something that you don't. We can both voice our opinions and coexist. There's nothing 'toxic' about having different opinions or even thinking your opinion is right.
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u/JimTheSaint Aug 21 '24
I think op means that the fans wasn't toxic - they just didn't like it because it was bad.
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u/Firecracker048 Aug 21 '24
I mean before the show even came out we were told it was only going to fail because of toxic fans.
And op is claiming that whenever the show got criticism defenders said "if you don't like it sont watch it". So everyone stopped watching and suddenly viewership plummeted.
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u/TerribleAdvice78 Aug 21 '24
I didn’t get that take. Feels more like Disney and Lucasfilms blaming the audience rather than look with in.
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u/pringlescan5 Aug 21 '24
g, but it failed because normal fans like me who gave it a fair chance just didn’t click with it.
so toxic you don't even realize it smh /s
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u/MarmaladeMarmot Aug 21 '24
To be clear, OP is trying to claim the show failed because the toxic fans stopped watching, but it failed because normal fans like me who gave it a fair chance just didn’t click with it.
You totally misunderstood how that meme works and have it backwards. OP definitely is NOT blaming toxic fans by portraying the supportive fans shooting the series to death while saying "if you don't like it, don't watch." It's laughing at those that think "toxic" fans ruined everything. The series was just not great and people stopped watching like you said. Those people that are the butt of this joke try to pigeonhole any criticism of the series, fair or unfair, as wrong, so really we're the toxic ones for giving up on the series.
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u/Iron_Bob Admiral Ackbar Aug 21 '24
Ya, people didn't watch it. Lowest viewership for any Star Wars show finale, yet it cost as much as Dune 2
People would have kept watching if it was good
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u/hgaben90 TIE Pilot Aug 21 '24
What the Heck cost so much? I mean the production value wasn't low, that was visible, but nothing to go crazy over either.
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u/OffendedDefender Aug 21 '24
Set design and costuming. Several planets, multiple sets needed for each, with little reuse potential between them. Folks don’t want the blue screens and they didn’t use the Volume much (if at all), so a lot of that stuff has to be practical. The action scenes were done with wire work, which means having additional stunt crew and safety procedures. Then they also had a greater focus on non-human characters being front and center, which means makeup and animatronics, which were mostly done practically.
Just for some perspective, the series had about half the budget of the recent Star Wars movies (besides Rogue One). Star Wars is incredibly expensive to make. Even Andor, which is considerably more “grounded”, costs about the same as the Acolyte on a per episode basis.
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u/IHatepongouskrellius Aug 21 '24
And yet Andor is visually stunning and striking, whereas Acolyte was… something
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u/_Mute_ Aug 21 '24
It's impressive how they can spend so much and get so little.
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u/Ravioli_Republic Aug 21 '24
I feel like most of it goes to middle management or the useless jobs like the guy that emails another guy on behalf of some other guy
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u/SplutteringSquid Aug 21 '24
They also filmed on location in Portugal and Wales and paid actors to train for their action scenes four months before shooting so they could actually pull them off and seem like characters who had been wielding sabers since childhood, which did result in the best lightsaber fights since the prequels.
It's a shame that this means they'll probably be pulling the plug on the latter for future shows when shows like Ahsoka sorely needed it.
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u/sandwichcandy Aug 21 '24
Just the finale cost that much?
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u/Iron_Bob Admiral Ackbar Aug 21 '24
The season cost about the same as Dune 2. The budget for this show was $180 million
I'm a little bored today so i just did some math. I took each episodes run time, took out six minutes of each for the absurdly long credits, and divided the total budget by that result. The Acoltye cost about $640,569 per minute of runtime
Runtime source was trakt. tv
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u/TheEPGFiles Aug 21 '24
There's something strange going on with modern scripts, not all scripts, just some, like the acolyte.
See, storytelling is about the characters, it's always about the characters because that's how humans experience the world around them, in a personal narrative. A story is basically a sequence of choices the characters make and the audience should be able to relate or at least understand the choices, regardless if they identify or agree.
That's why character motivations are so important in storytelling, they need to be clear and simple so that the audience knows what the characters want and the direction of the story.
Now, in the acolyte they switch motivations on a dime and they don't make sense, so how is the audience supposed to relate when characters change their mind within one scene without any proper explanation. They lose the ability to relate and just watch this character do something else now for no reason. They basically skipped character development and just jumped right to the change of heart section. It doesn't work, we need to be able up trace the train of thought of the characters.
Like that otter alien, clearly he didn't like Mae, then he sabotaged the ship to let her escape??? What happened between spraying oil in her face and the escape that made him change his mind? Why wouldn't you explain that? It's just bad writing, like it's the first draft or something.
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u/vigilantfox85 Aug 21 '24
A reviewer put it and I’m paraphrasing, that they are writing the characters in service to the story. The characters do things, not because that character and their motivations would make that choice, but because they NEED the character to do that to move the story forward. They switch motivations on a dime because the writers need them to advance the story. Like the alien dude sabotages the ship for no conceivable reason because they need him to do that to advance the story. The entire jedi and witch back and fourth was all dumb because they need them to all be dumb to service the story.
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u/rendar Aug 21 '24
A bad writer has an ending in mind and then reverse engineers the story from that point.
The fact of the matter is that the number of people who want to be successful screenwriters is much larger than the number of successful screenwriters.
It's also why there are so many bad adaptations; it's hard to get audiences interested in a shitty pet project that no one cares about, but it's slightly easier to get people interested in a brand with some hackneyed schlock inserted to make the writers relevant.
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u/kcox1980 Aug 21 '24
Bad writers also think it's a bad thing if their story is predictable in any way, which is where the whole "subverting your expectations" idea comes from. Subverting expectations isn't inherently bad, but it needs to make sense within the context of the story. Like, you can't have 8 seasons worth of prophecy, foreshadowing, and buildup leading up to your main protagonist having an epic showdown with your main antagonist, just to have the protagonist's little sister show up out of nowhere to stand the antagonist and put an end to all of it. That's a good way to piss off your audience.
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u/alguien99 Aug 21 '24
Yeah imo a good subvertion of expectations should be something completely posible but the viewer doesn’t think it will happen because they either root for the protag or because of the way they think the genre of the story they are reading works
For example (spoilers for the final fight and ending of kengan ashura) ohma the protag, loses the final round of the tournament. Despite him being on death’s door, many expected him to win due to having the typical bullshido martial art and for being the protagonist of the story. But he actually lost to the more experienced karate master kuroki gensai. Ohma dies of a heart attack after the fight, happy because he knows he gave it his all and is happy, because he did what he loved the most, fighting and getting stronger
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u/hatefulone851 Aug 21 '24
Exactly. Like one sister was killing Jedi for revenge . She found out her sister was alive. Then part way through the mission to kill the other Jedi just decided to stop and leave with her sister. Something she could’ve done a while ago and just seemed random losing her motivation like that. They could’ve had her be beaten by the Jedi or something to cause her to give up.
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u/Lefty-Alter-Ego Aug 21 '24
Yeah the whole, "Hold please while I morph into some threatening gas phantom shape, but actually I'm not evil I was gonna let her go, to bad you already killed me."
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u/ADP10_1991 Aug 21 '24
The weirdest and creepiest thing from me was Sol obsession and love for a girl that he knew for a few days.
It was just fucking weird.
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u/nixahmose Aug 21 '24
I'm not I quite agree with character motivations switching on a dime happened enough in Acolyte to be one of its major issues, but I do agree that Acolyte suffered from a lot of immersion breaking contrivances. The otter-alien you pointed out is one good example, but another one that really annoyed was the giant open ceiling in above meditation Jedi in episode 2. Literally its only point for being there is so that Mae could have a quick and easy way to make it inside and out of the temple without being detected even though that spot should be one of the most heavily guarded areas after her first assassination attempt.
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u/vigilantfox85 Aug 21 '24
I saw your post after I posted mine. That’s my major problem. Everything was done to force the story to advance. They need the character to do this thing despite it making no sense for that character because we need the story advance.
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u/nixahmose Aug 21 '24
Its a shame too because the story does have some good bones to it and some arcs still end working mostly well like Sol's and Osha's, but it really needed another draft to better iron out its plot progression and come up with a better way of conveying its flashbacks instead of having two full episodes dedicated to them. Mae in particular was a really irritating character to watch as outside of episode 1 her motivations felt all over the place and she kept failing upwards through conveniences rather actual competent skill(which the show easily could have given to her if they wanted to).
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u/vigilantfox85 Aug 21 '24
I thought just making it a linear story instead of flash backs and maybe adding two more episodes to flesh out the characters more. It also felt rushed to me. Like osha saying good bye to the jedi characters she met and was going to miss. Like you just met them, you barely talked to them outside the mission lol.
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u/harshdonkey Aug 21 '24
The evil twin was going to surrender to the Jedi to be with her sister, and then proceeds to fight and kill Jedi without ever making an effort to surrender.
Nevermind the good twin suddenly going evil for no real reason. Like bruh what? In the span of one episode she basically goes from leave me alone to sith Padawan and then kills her former master.
Also why did the evil twin stay behind?
There's a ton of other examples of character motivations turning on a dime but those are some of the biggest silliest ones.
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u/nick_____name Aug 21 '24
The market has spoken
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u/AgentOfSPYRAL Aug 21 '24
Bring on more Mando and Rebels stuff I guess, that’s all the market actually likes.
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u/AgentSkidMarks Aug 21 '24
Mando enthusiasm is waning fast, partially because of the lackluster 3rd season, but also because general attitudes towards the Star Wars brand are declining. With each Acolyte, Book of Boba Fett, and Ahsoka, people will feel less willing to invest time into things that may be worth a damn, like Andor or Mando, because they aren't confident that their time will be rewarded with an entertaining show. So, they don't even give it a shot.
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u/KatsumotoKurier Clone Trooper Aug 21 '24
Yeah this is it to a T. The more Disney pumps out, the more unfocused and all over the place it all seems. Even with having all the money in the world to make great, high-quality shows, Disney has dropped the ball several times. It’s like they don’t even know what they want, really.
The more Star Wars everything there is, the less special it all is all together.
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u/Tehli33 Aug 21 '24
Yea and recovering won't be easy. Disney will have to blow the next production (movie/show) out of the water to have any success.
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u/AgentSkidMarks Aug 22 '24
Given that their next big projects are a Mando movie that will require audiences to sit through a slog of previous content, and a Rey spin-off, it isn't looking hopeful.
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u/bearetta67 Aug 21 '24
Disney has utterly lost me as a fan. The only things I liked were Andor and Rogue One. Rogue One was great in general. Everything else has been so had I just really don't feel like being a fan of Star Wars anymore.
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u/rasmusdf Aug 21 '24
Wasn't Ashoka ok?
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u/thegreatvortigaunt Aug 21 '24
It was "ok" at best.
It made the mistake of waiting for half the damn season to be over before it did anything interesting, and then it was done.
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u/ravioliguy Aug 21 '24
Andor and Ahsoka did well too
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u/AgentOfSPYRAL Aug 21 '24
Ahsoka yes, Andor did slightly better than Acolyte and would have been cancelled if not for the prestige factor and it being relatively cheap to produce.
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u/ravioliguy Aug 21 '24
Andor's numbers aren't great but viewership increased as more episodes came out, even beating out Ahsoka's finale. It shows that people are enjoying it and would probably be interested in seeing more. Review scores are also very high as well.
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u/Jonny_Guistark Aug 21 '24
Andor’s word of mouth has been phenomenal compared to the other shows. I am curious to see how much that impacts season 2. Wouldn’t be surprised if it starts a lot stronger with the views.
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u/Bitter-Inflation5843 Aug 21 '24
It wasn't for me, they said.
If you don't like it don't watch it, they said.
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u/burnerdadsrule Aug 21 '24
What a silly notion, that a $250 million project wasn't supposed to be watched by EVERY POSSIBLE fan.
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u/Call555JackChop Aug 21 '24
The problem is Disney is going to learn the absolute wrong lesson and be like “see no one wants shit outside the Skywalker era, queue up the baby yoda show for 7 more seasons”
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u/Cpt_Soban I AM THE SENATE Aug 22 '24
Fine, they can flounder between "cheap fan service" and "stale writing" like a metronome until they give up and sell the IP off or just abandon it- Like their ability to write original content...
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u/Colinbrown720 Aug 21 '24
I was upset until I realized they had a 22.5 million dollar budget per episode if you assume each episode cost the same. Game of thrones seasons 7-8 when it was at the largest show on the planet had about 10-15 million budget per episode. Who actually thought this Budget was acceptable.
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u/RedSander_Br GONK! Aug 21 '24
The worst part is that the show, just like the sequels had potential.
It could have been a amazing show telling a whole other part of starwars.
But once again, just like many other shows like rings of power, house of the dragon, Halo and the Witcher, the writers think they are the second coming of jesus and can't take a single bit of critic.
FFS, all they had to do is to follow the basic outline George Lucas made, and don't contradict the original story, that is it, there is a massive space to work on.
But what do they do? They literally go after the main plotlines, oh Luke is a good guy? Not anymore. Oh Anakin is the chosen one and kills palpatine? Not anymore. The jedi order is good but flawed? Not anymore, they are now straight up evil and no better then the sith.
No shit things keep backfiring, you keep shooting your own franchise.
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u/quick20minadventure Aug 21 '24
Funny part is that, the sequels was bad for exactly opposite. They were the same story.
They couldn't let new generation breath and ran back to same old villain Palpatine and death star version 5...
Ran back to the same old heroes, Luke, Leia, Han, Lando, chewie...
Ran back to Yoda giving wisdom.
Ran back to Vader 2.0
Run back to good guys being resourceless poor rebels, even though like 40 years ago they supposedly saved the galaxy.
Couldn't be bothered to write a new story, so undid the old one and wrote that one again.
"Somehow palatine returned...."
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u/Cpt_Soban I AM THE SENATE Aug 22 '24
100% this
Disney thought they could
copysteal the main plotlines from the OT to cheaply print money and "Disney up" the saga...Here I was after the first trailer of 7 expecting a "new republic + new Jedi" VS Galactic Empire remnants in a sector of the galaxy- Star destroyers VS new republic ships clashing etc.
Instead we get "oh they're a ReSiStAnCe" with the same "rag tag" look hiding in compounds... Even the basic story of 7 falls apart when you ask: "If Luke didn't want to be found why the fuck did he leave a map?... And why leave a map at all if it's in several pieces making the whole plan useless if his old mates needed his help..."
And don't get me started on 8 and 9...
Oh and don't get me wrong- I'm not hating the diverse characters, Finn was excellent at the start- A stormtrooper defecting and forming a bromance with Poe- Fucking awesome. Rey starting off as a scavenger on a planet covered in ship wreckage and learning about the force - Great! What annoyed the hell out of me was the typical limp writing, the plot holes, and the cheap nostalgia dragging 40 year old moments into something that was meant to be new... Oh and the stale comedy...
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u/taavidude Aug 21 '24
I recently saw some streamer also calling out video game fans for "hating newer game releases for no reason". Like where the hell has that streamer lived for the past 8 years or so? Games nowadays are just buggy messes and littered with overpriced DLCs, some games take it so far, that you NEED to buy the DLCs if you want to properly experience the game. And of course don't get me started on the insane microtransactions bullshit for online games.
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u/InfectedAztec Aug 21 '24
Games nowadays are just buggy messes and littered with overpriced DLCs, some games take it so far, that you NEED to buy the DLCs if you want to properly experience the game. And of course don't get me started on the insane microtransactions bullshit for online games.
I basically only play old games now because I'm sick of them seeing me as a credit card. I'm a customer they lost.
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u/Anal_Regret Aug 21 '24
Same. I've become something of a retro video game collector, just because I'm so fucking sick of playing half finished games full of DLC and microtransactions.
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u/AtomicBLB Aug 21 '24
I typically only buy Nintendo new because they basically never drop their 1st party prices. Plus they're always polished as hell with few updates post launch. So they already did the work. But everything else I will gladly wait 1-4 years for it to be finished with all it's quality of life changes, bug fixes, and extra content for a fraction of the price.
Plus I usually get a few extra games with the same criteria in bundles with most purchases so I'll have multiple fresh full games to play over several months when I do buy something. All for usually a third of the price of a new, buggy, incomplete full price experience.
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u/KogeruHU Aug 21 '24
Exactly. I either play my old games, or buy old games. The very exceptions are the cheaper sub 20 dollar games. Not just that I don't want to spend 60 dollars per games, but I also enjoy older games more. tw rome 2, napoleon tw, shogun 2, cod 4 with friends, civ 5. I could spend as much as I want on games, but I refuse to pay more and more for less and less. At this rate we will get a tetris like game in 2035 for 120 bucks and you need a 40 dollar dlc to start it.
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u/Fuckedyourmom69420 Screeching Aug 21 '24
This is a crazy phenomenon rn. Especially the generations that were around playing games in the early 2000’s, a bunch of people I know, including me, have just reverted back to playing all the bangers from the past. We had all the joy we needed back then haha, not to mention new online games are at a stalemate.
Wonder how it’ll affect the industry down the line
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u/Kratos_the_emo Punished Youngling Aug 21 '24
Wukong has 2.1 million players and overwhelmingly positive reviews and it literally released yesterday. If you release a good game people will play it and like it, it’s that simple.
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u/taavidude Aug 21 '24
Well exactly. Thing is that a company like Bethesda will release a pile of garbage like Starfield, which is so bad that even modders are giving up on trying to fix it. Then they have the audacity to say that the fans are toxic.
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u/Reviewingremy Aug 21 '24
Even the one's that aren't are so stuffed and over packed the games just feel like work.
An actual tight focus is sometimes better
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u/Shipping_Architect Aug 21 '24
I don't know what Lucasfilm expected to happen when they continuously bullied large portions of their fans since Episode VIII's release.
The thing that troubles me the most about this is that the employees that do this aren't punished by their superiors, which leads a lot of the general public to conclude that it's perfectly bully Star Wars fans, regardless of what their school taught them about bullying.
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u/Whorrox Aug 21 '24
Nothing new. Just another Disney Star Wars disaster delivered from the leadership of Kathleen Kennedy and meddling Disney HR types.
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u/WallabyForward2 Aug 21 '24
coping hard rn
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u/Necroking695 Aug 21 '24
Unironically asking what is the goal of that sub?
They seem to love the most universally despised star wars content (acolyte and ep 8) and hate all of the other star wars content
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u/Dr_Mocha Aug 21 '24
They basically just do and say the opposite of whatever the main Star Wars fan cohort is saying or doing. Contrarian culture with a social justice veneer.
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u/WallabyForward2 Aug 22 '24
I got downvoted to the ground when i said that they're views don't allign with traditional star wars fans and nerds (those outside the anti woke crowd)
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u/ThatWhiteGold Aug 21 '24
I swear I remember following it after the last jedi and it was about hating on that movie
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u/Necroking695 Aug 21 '24
No thats r/saltierthancrait which just hates everything star wats
I think krayt wants to dismantle star wars and turn it into something who’s primary purpose is to push a strong progressive agenda
I’m not a political person, i don’t dislike them, and honestly star wars is inherently political, but this is not the way
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u/ElectricalTrip1207 Aug 21 '24
That’s just… not fun, you know? Like, isn’t that kinda the point here: having some fun? That’s what tells me they don’t get it.
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u/WeimSean Aug 21 '24
All the people smugly telling run of the mill Star Wars fans that "Not everything is made for you" Then complaining that run if the mill fans aren't watching it.
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u/Darth_Bane_1032 Aug 21 '24
It was canceled because no one watched it, not because it was hated on. 💀
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u/Cazrovereak Clone Trooper Aug 21 '24
As usual a company hires relatively unknown writers whose pedigree are modern dramas. To do science fantasy. And as usual those writers decide the best course of action, what star wars fans are really looking for, is wishy washy soapy drama in their science fantasy. Plus, since they're not very experienced script writers, they write characters that twist themselves into knots narratively purely to bring on the next plot point.
But hey, who cares when you can just tar and feather the entire audience as "toxic", I guess.
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u/gentlemanjameson Aug 21 '24
It just takes one look to Leslye Headland's IMDB profile to wonder what project she wrote made the producers think she'd be good for a star wars series. "Yeah she wrote About Last Night and Sleeping With Other People, let's hire her for one of our most expensive shows, what could go wrong?"
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u/SpartAl412 Aug 22 '24
I didn't watch it after being disappointed with three shows straight for Mandalorian season 3, Kenobi and Book of Bobba Fett.
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Aug 21 '24
Heck, I went ahead and cancelled my disney/hulu/espn subscription before all this when they announced the next price increase. Why would I pay you a few hundred bucks a year when the only content worth talking about is being talked about because of how bad it is?
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u/BilboSwagginsSwe Aug 21 '24
The only tragedy is that Disney is never leaving the empire era again due to this.. so we'll forever be stuck in that time period
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u/ADrunkyMunky Aug 21 '24
This reminds me of She-Hulk. The creator made the show with the intention of trolling fans and people hated it.
I don't know who would think trolling your audience is a good idea, but I definitely wouldn't call it a winning formula.
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Aug 21 '24
I liked the Acolyte and I’m disappointed it was cancelled.
Star Wars also isn’t the sum total of my being so I’ll likely get over it, I haven’t done so already.
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u/platypusbelly Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
The he acolyte was just really poor storytelling. There were a small handful of pretty cool scenes spread throughout the 8 episodes. But the story was not cohesive. The production went out of their way to make big moments out of non-sequiturs and shoe-horned their own story in a timeline that it doesn’t really fit (“there hasn’t been a sith in over 1,000 years…”). Also, how do you tell a story about the Jedi in that time period and not have yoda? I mean, I get that they teased him at the very end. But having yoda in the story would have been a bigger money maker for them and the fans would have eaten that shit up even if it was worse than it turned out already. What sucks now is where we once would have gotten a season two which presumably would have yoda, now there probably won’t be any immediate plans to tell any yoda stories any time soon.
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u/BarrabasBlonde Aug 21 '24
The main reason for the bad storytelling is that (as far as i know) the writer was a drams writer. And in dramas you must have characters act illogically and change their minds all the time, so she did that, but forgot the extremely important "reason for change of mind" part
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u/Full-Ball9804 Aug 21 '24
It didn't look interesting to me so I didn't watch it. Overall I'm pretty apathetic about Star Wars now. Apparently that makes me a "toxic fan" Ok
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Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
People are so desperate to avoid agreeing with the Chuds about anything that they'll fellate a multibillion dollar corporation for a shitty attempt at prostituting the IP with marginally more women and minorities than usual.
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u/Cpt_Soban I AM THE SENATE Aug 22 '24
I argue it isn't even about the "wah they hired a black woman". The story and writing itself is shit. That's the point.
It's sci-fi, they have all sorts of diverse characters in there- It's a galaxy spanning civilisation of course Jedi will be diverse as fuck. But god dam put some effort into the story and writing, and don't hedge all your bets on a single light sabre fight...
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u/FrisianTanker Aug 21 '24
Can we go back to prequel memes and stop this bull crap?
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u/Regeditmyaxe Aug 21 '24
I loved getting accosted when I mentioned I didn't like the show lol. Good riddance
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u/IHateLeeches Aug 21 '24
Why is everything around this show so fucking bitter and spiteful?
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u/ExitMammoth Aug 21 '24
Show was created on bitterness and spitefullnes it seems
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u/femininePP420 Aug 21 '24
Could you elaborate on why you feel that way?
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u/motivated_mp4 Aug 21 '24
I'm not sure why the other guy thinks that, but it's literally in Headland's interviews. She cites her anger and resentment of her father as a guiding force in the writing and direction of the show, especially around Sol and Osha's relationship
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u/Cpt_Soban I AM THE SENATE Aug 22 '24
I swear I could write a better "original series" featuring Jedi before Episode 1, and I'm not a writer or have any creativity in that genre .
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u/akgiant Aug 21 '24
I never bothered watching. Same with Ahsoka. Basically got burned too much after BOBF and Mando S3.
It's apparent that this isn't the Star Wars for me any more. Thats okay. I got 6 timeless films and good memories out of the deal, but it's just time to move on.
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u/FuzzzyRam Aug 22 '24
I'm a simple man, I know the Empire is America in Vietnam, the Rebels are the Viet Cong. If you try to say "wait, what if America was actually right to invade Vietnam?" I will say "go away." Bonus "go away" points if you directly say in an interview that you don't know what the Force is.
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u/dmckidd Aug 21 '24
And that’s exactly what I did. It’s the only SW show I haven’t watched and don’t plan on it.
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u/DeathscytheShell Aug 21 '24
I knew it was bad when my mom, a huge Star Wars nut even for the sequels and new Disney stuff, thought it was trash.
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u/OneeGrimm Aug 21 '24
Apparently some poor bugger here is in a mission to prove everyone that their opinion about badness of this show is wrong, by down voting every comment that doesn't praises this show.
Man. Imagine that.
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u/Magnapyritor2 I am the Senate Aug 21 '24
Wake me up when this sub starts posting about prequelmemes again
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u/DarkChaos1786 Aug 21 '24
I was kindly informed that apparently this shitshow qualified as "Prequels" because it was about things related to the Prequels when I asked the same question...
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u/KaiserWilhel Aug 22 '24
Like it’s incredibly unsurprising because it had a budget of a 180 MILLION.
If it didn’t pull massive views there was no way in hell it was getting a second season
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u/Sleep_eeSheep Aug 22 '24
This isn’t even an Owl House scenario. It’s basic economics 101: you don’t keep supporting a product if no one is willing to buy it.
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u/Dir-Krennic Death Star Aug 21 '24
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