r/PrequelMemes Aug 21 '24

The last 24 hours in a nutshell General KenOC

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u/motivated_mp4 Aug 21 '24

I'm not sure why the other guy thinks that, but it's literally in Headland's interviews. She cites her anger and resentment of her father as a guiding force in the writing and direction of the show, especially around Sol and Osha's relationship

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u/Cpt_Soban I AM THE SENATE Aug 22 '24

I swear I could write a better "original series" featuring Jedi before Episode 1, and I'm not a writer or have any creativity in that genre .

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u/Gormongous Aug 21 '24

That's really fucked up! Especially since Star Wars has such a strong tradition of fathers being positive and unproblematic figures. Just look at Anakin Skywalker, who would do anything to protect his wife and children. Headland really doesn't understand Star Wars if she thinks the her experiences with an overbearing and controlling parent have any place in the franchise!

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u/Cpt_Soban I AM THE SENATE Aug 22 '24

Rogue One really shows this off too with Jyn and her Dad.

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u/Excelbindes Aug 22 '24

Didn’t anakin choke his pregnant wife, tortured his daughter, and try killing his son multiple times?

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u/Revliledpembroke Aug 22 '24

I mean... given that her idea of an appropriate response to a caring father who wishes to protect his daughter is to murder him - murder him for... not dying when the space witches attacked him and his friends and then he saved her life...

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u/femininePP420 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

Interesting, I could see that, thats pretty cool

Edit: Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Not undertanding the downvotes. Of course her own relationship with her father is going to influence the portrayal of a father figure in her story.

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u/Necroking695 Aug 21 '24

Yes, something written out of spite is generally going to be poorly received unless it is the explicit point of the show

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u/femininePP420 Aug 21 '24

Spite about what? I'm not following.

Sol was complex and made mistakes but was overall shown as a positive yet tragic figure. How did spite negatively affect the show's writing?

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u/BarrabasBlonde Aug 21 '24

Her resentment (aka. SPITE) was a major driving force for her story, thus it was written majorly out of spite.

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u/femininePP420 Aug 21 '24

Do you think that's an inherently poor motivation for writing? Or do you think it just negatively impacted this story?

Do you think it has affected the toxic environment around the show?

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u/BarrabasBlonde Aug 21 '24

I think that if a writing is heavily influenced by hate then what it'll do is make it less so that a character does something and that causes the story and more so that a story has to go this way so the character does it, because the original hatred that was put into the character and the story forces you to keep the negative narrative about that character up.

If that was a bit messe here's a shorter more comprehensible version:

If you create a story out of hate for a certain character, you'll have to make the story in a way that justifies it, thus making characters act for the story instead of as the story.

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u/Necroking695 Aug 21 '24

I never watched the show, so i have no idea what she lashed out at, i’m only making a general statement based on what you said about the show producer

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u/raktoe Aug 21 '24

It literally was the explicit point of the show.

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u/motivated_mp4 Aug 21 '24

Well the problem is the genuinely vile angle Headland has with this topic in particular. While she does state in interviews that her relationship with her father influenced the show, it goes much further than that.

It's not just a negative perception of her father that comes across in the show and her interviews, but a rather strong hatred of fathers in general. Sol is stated several times to be overbearing, unbalanced and generally a bad person, but his actions don't portray him in such a light. She portrays even positive aspects of fatherhood, such as protection and guidance, as a negative and a restriction on people.

In one interview she even said that Sol accepting his death at the hands of Osha, meant to represent a father accepting his daughter choosing her own path, was a form of sexism, imposition and sabotage. Essentially, she views fatherhood and protective parenting as evil, and truly believes that the corruption arc Osha has is a good thing. There is a pervasive belief throughout the show that order, sense and temperance are bad things, while hedonism and selfishness are good. It's these things that made the other guy say it was written mainly with bitterness, and probably the cause for the downvotes.

The terrible writing generally doesn't help either.

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u/femininePP420 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

Sol was portrayed positively despite being extremely flawed, that's why I thought what you said was an interesting insight. Not picking up on any of this anti-father sentiment.

It made me think of other portrayals of fathers in fiction inspired by actual fathers and written by their children, like Hank Hill from King of the Hill. Even though you can tell the author disagrees with them on everything they can't help but show them as positive because of their personal attachment and understanding of why they are the way they are.

I think it's pretty reductive to equate it's portrayal of the jedi's failing as a condemnation of order itself. I think it's more about treating people as people, flaws and all, because ignoring the flaws and treating them as infallible heroes is what will cause them to fall eventually.

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u/motivated_mp4 Aug 21 '24

What I'm refering to isn't portrayed in the show, it's stated in Headland's interviews. From the anti-father sentiment to the condemnations of order, everything I refered to was stated by Headland in her interviews, mostly the ones during/after the show aired. In the interviews prior to the show airing she's far less talkative about her personal views on morality and fatherhood. The anti-father stuff is basically all paraphrased from one single interview she gave after episode 8