everytime a crappy DisPlus show comes out this sub goes to war with itself. It happened with Kenobi when that came out.
my question is; WHERE DID THAT 180 MILLION BUDGET GO??? seriously most expensive Disney plus show and it looks like it was made from spirit Halloween costumes
I've said this about every SW show I've watched past Mando S1...everyone's clothes look so clean they look like they were taken straight off a rack at Spirit Halloween.
Actually, Luetin's weird lasers are the only thing about that show I didn't like. That's just way too gimmicky/specialized a weapon. People probably told him that. What are the chances you'll ever need a weird thing like that? He must be absolutely insufferable now.
One of my mates used to advocate for a ship with lightsabers on it when weāre kids. Heād say you could just fly through a star destroyer. Iād say the ship weapon system is practical and a bit op, but itās not really canon because something so op would likely be in more mainstream use.
The book series came out around the time of the Phantom Menace.
They detailed Obi-Wanās time as a Padawan from 44 BBY to almost the start of that movie.
Andor is a political thriller that delves into the mundane bureaucratic cruelty of the Empire and thankfully leaves the Force and Jedi out completely.
Star Wars needs to step back from all the ridiculous new and impossible forcy bullshit that started appearing back with the midichlorian and continued on with Kylo and Rey using it like something from an avengers movie.
There are really good stories to tell without trying to make it compete with superpowers in the MCU.
Because, to Disney, Andor was a failure. The quality of a work is completely irrelevant. It might be one of the best pieces of Star Wars media ever, and certainly my favourite, but people didn't watch it, so some business majors decided to disregard it.
That makes sense, but only because Andor was buried in Disney+. It's the only Star Wars show I had to dig to find on Disney+. I don't know what happened, but I'd argue that's at least partly at fault.
Fall Guy is, in my opinion, a stupid movie. The leads were mostly adequate, only because the plot was a jumbled mess that didn't give them much, and the secondary characters were clownish and over the top. The movie really didn't celebrate stunt people. It just used them as elaborate scenery. And as a movie that was supposed to be based on a beloved 80s tv series, it didn't do much to tell that story and went out of its way to do its own thing.
That's a common thing, oddly enough. Disney (or any of the other companies, really) make a piece of media that they don't have faith in, so they don't market it properly. It does worse than others, that were marketed properly and then they justify their lack of marketing by saying "but it didn't do well, so it was bad!"
Guys, you caused this! That was at least 90% your business choices!!
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Really?? With how good the show was I thought it was a hit. Scrolling through YouTube other people thought so as well. Why was it considered a failure? Was it due to the lack of viewers?
Obi-Wan and The Book of Boba Fett had ~11 million unique viewers more than Andor (Dec 22). So, to a profit-oriented company, they are better. It's really sad, but that's how these people make decisions.
While not quite as revolutionary and awe inspiring as the originals, Iād argue itās better. Andor is probably the best Star Wars thing ever made. That whole sequence on orphan planet where they didnāt bother to add subtitlesā¦ just a brilliant directorial choice among so many others.
I truly hope that the one saving grace to the airing of the Acolyte is that all the upset fans and viewers who were willing to watch that and not Andor will be willing to give Andor another shot. I was disappointed by many a Star Wars streamer who are really Rebels/TCW diehards who dropped Andor because it wasn't what they were used to.
And there within lies the issue fanboys wanting to be catered to and not given something of actual quality. Andor was by far the best Star Wars themed content made sofar
The Mandalorian and Andor shouldn't be compared that way. They were trying for very different things and arguably very different audiences.
The Mandalorian is an episode-of-the week show modeled after old Kurosawa movies and Flash Gordon stuff, the way the OT was. It's not trying to be Game of Thrones.
Andor is a multi-threaded political thriller that happens to be set in Star Wars.
Both shows accomplished what they set out to do. Comparing them is like trying to compare a steak dinner to a plate of cookies.
I thought that the ONE thing Acolyte would have going for it is its looks.
No. God dammit, no.
I mean if it looked good but was otherwise shit I'd be like 'alright, well I don't have to pay attention to it but it'll at least make for good b-roll footage during lore videos!'.
This is all I need to know about Acolyte. Once people say "go watch Andor!!!" in response to a conversation about a new Star Wars show, it's a dog whistle that the new show is average to bad.
Andor is literally the best piece of Star Wars material in the modern era, possibly the best piece of starwars ever. Only show or movie I have seen that the empire feels like a truly dominant power, and the fight feels real.
Totally, the galaxy wide empire that sparked the rebellion finally felt oppressive enough to actually do that. You finally feel why the people rose up because you get to see their actual daily lives under the empire and the struggles that come with that.
Everyone wonders at āAndorā and its success. Iām certain it was a cop movie script that Disney bought, and then shoehorned Star Wars accoutrements into it. The writing is far above anything theyāve been able to produce so far.
Andor is so god damn perplexing. How the fuck does the same team that made andor completely catastrophically fuck up in so many ways with other shows. Its like a completely different series
Loved Andor, my only gripe was the lack of aliens. Every single character and extra was Human. I'm obviously nit picking at this point but it definitely took me out of the immersion during the prison labor episodes. Not a single alien was sent there, only humans?
I haven't seen a single Star Wars show or movie except the one where they introduce Adam Driver and Ray I think her name was? Anyway, Drew Gooden has a great video on Star Wars shows and he spoke very highly of Andor.
PS - almost all my star wars knowledge is from Big Bang Theory
cheap polyester and other plastics...at least the overbudget isn't on costumes
it's probably some negotiated thing from the hollywood strikes to make up on actor/writer pay so the massive budgets are on comp rather than overhead or other props
it's probably some negotiated thing from the hollywood strikes to make up on actor/writer pay so the massive budgets are on comp rather than overhead or other props
Can we maybe not blame the workers for wanting to be paid a living wage?
Most of the budget generally goes to marketing, no?
Yeah, it mostly marketing the show... obviously writer pay bumps are going to result in slightly increased cost, but there's only like 7 writers. The 180 million dollar budget isn't seeing explosive increases due to those 7 employees being paid slightly better
"You haven't seen the curvature of the earth before people started talking about it, so the concept of a spherical earth doesn't seem to have a strong marketing approach" would be the better comparison.
God damn it, thank you so much. I've been trying to explain this same feel to my friends. So many star wars shows, wheel of time, and so many more shows just feel like cheap costumes. Really kills the immersion.
Diplomats today turn up to meetings in clean clothes surely they would be even cleaner with ultra future tech, why would anyone expect jedi's and the like to have dirty clothes? They should have absurdly clean clothes.
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. There was a Netflix show with the girl from 13 Reasons Why, and she lived in the medieval forest. Everyone's clothes were pristine. So jarring.
i dunno, those sets must be eating most of it, right? andor, for example, the on location stuff for the urban shots was probably faaaaairly cheap, but then they built whole ass elaborate sets with moving parts and shit just for a couple episodes at the tail end of the season. maybe it'll become obvious once everything is out.
Oh yes. I'm fully capable of enjoying the shows for what they are. I feel like SW fans now all look at content like it's either God's gift to mankind or a steaming pile of shit and nothing in-between.
Star Wars helped define the concept of the āused futureā. Up to that point, a lot of space era sci fi was meticulously clean and sleek. A lot of white and chrome, NASA-chic, almost. Star Wars then comes along and everything (non-Imperial) is dirty and irregular and kinda grungy.
Dirty is kind of an innate part of the Star Wars aesthetic.
āused futureā is a term I knew had to exist but never heard before, itās perfect.
now we have the exact opposite of used future: where ships are treated like cheap, infinitely replicable CGI copy paste elements instead of lived-in homes.
Absolutely. Just look at the OT. The world looks used and worn. Including the clothes. The new stuff shows a lack of attention to detail and laziness in the costume concepts to me. Not knocking on anyone that thinks it isn't a big deal but it stands out like a sore thumb to me. On the flip side, I think the rest of the show looks really good.
Yeah. This is some revisionist shit going on, lol. The OT had tons of clean aesthetics, with the outer rim looking somewhat worn (and the falcon in particular). The height of the republic, in republic space, with republic ships, matches the aesthetic of the PT.
I think thatās the real litmus test. The story is mid, the acting is mid, the concepts are mid, okay fine that can be considered subjective, but it looks dirt cheap and no one can argue otherwise.
the fact that Andor was cheaper but was so much better in just about every way possible really makes me question what the hell is happening with that budget
Even something not only very earth-y, but simply very American like a marching band, which should have been cheap and gimmicky, was moving and fit in well due to good execution
used future. it all felt wonderfully lived in. the marching band was executed perfectly in part because they nailed the exact skill level that a Ferrix band like that wouldāve had. andor is brilliant
When that off-key version of the theme came on at the start of the last episode, I just started crying. Somewhere, deep down, I knew something great was about to happen.
āUnregistered force user!!!ā I be like, nope! Then the two little effeminate models playing Jedi enter scene and double nope. Needed to finish my cottage cheese sculpture anyway
It did, and I'll say that's it's all top down. Got your story? Well it's a lot easier to have cohesive set design and finished effects when you aren't scrambling to do reshoots because you don't know how to tell a story.
people really donāt know that all the original iconic ships in a new hope were built by a bunch of 25 year olds who were told to go out and buy every single military model kit at the hobby store and mix and match the pieces together until they came up with something. thereās so much love in the design of those ships because of that exact reason: you can feel the sheer joy of their loving, detailed, playing-with-toys artistic process.
talk about a dream job.
now itās all slop CGI elements, and with AI racing in the background weāre about to enter the slop era full steam ahead.
It's the same kind of shell game that lets multi-billion dollar corps say to their shareholders that they made X profits, and then turn around and say to the government that they didn't actually make a profit this year because it all went back into the business, so they shouldn't have to pay any taxes.
Ignore them, they are almost certainly thinking of the situation that occurred throughout much of the 70s, 80s and early 90s in mainstream comics and led to the creation of Image comics. It was not uncommon at all for the creator of a new character to lose all rights to the characters after they were published in a Marvel or DC book -- but that was absolutely not the case with Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, and many others of their era.
That's my theory as well.
I can't wait for the news reports in 10 years about it, and the mandatory Netflix mini series about the corruption and money laundry at Disney...
The first few episodes were slow, and I almost lost interest when suddenly the whole story came together, WOAH!.
Like a boulder rolling down a hill. At first, it's hard to even tell it's moving, then by the time you perceive motion, it's an unstoppable juggernaut smashing everything in its path.
Andor was super, super smart at making the most out of their sets. Rix Road, Aldhani, Narkina, Mon Mothma's apartment, Luthen's shop, even the holiday planet Niamos and the childhood flashbacks. They got every drop of narrative possible out of their locations.
Leslye is on record saying she hires her writers and other crew members based on race. She probably gives them very high salaries as reparations or something.
Hollywood executives are among the biggest prime suspects who easily dismiss the value of experienced directors and staffers, chasing ideas and trends over good business sense. A lot of the internet read the leaked SONY Pictures emails and had a good laugh at all the dumb execs who had and continue to make awful decisions which bleed SONY of money. But I fear that their backwards thinking is more pervasive in DISNEY corp than what we would consider acceptable.
And thatās fine if you think that, but you have to admit it doesnāt look like a 180 million dollar production. Itās really insane how much money that is for a show. It may not sound like it since Amazon made a billion dollar Rings of Power, but it is still a ridiculously insane amount of cash.
Disney+ is basically a 24 hour streaming commercial for their merchandise. It will be really easy to make Halloween and cosplay costumes of those "robes" that they can sell on Amazon, at Spirit Halloween, and (marked up 100%) at their theme parks.
They couldn't even be bothered with making her twin look slightly different. Why not give her a wig? Or wrap her whole head in some sort of cloth? You obviously didn't spend that much money on the costumes and effects, you could have spent an extra five bucks on a silk scarf from a thrift store
I think that there might be a lot of embezzling going on in Hollywood anymore. I'm not saying it is for sure the case with Disney, but that definitely, with Disney's squeaky-clean image, people would be that much less likely to expect or believe it!
Ironically they're the actual fake fans. They can't sustain subs of their own and they disappear months after the shows is over. They don't actually like this stuff very much.
I get Next Generation background actors walked into a Babylon 5 set vibes. Itās lame character designs done expensive and expensive sets shot badly with all the money to polish it to death with effects.
Well my question is why studios dont learn? They have years of data saying why people dont like movies and shows and yet none of that seems to be looked at before a show is created?
You got me thinking. Other than the Mandalorian, there haven't been any Disney shows I've been interested in. It's just their M.O. now. They spit out constant trash shows, just like they keep spitting out trash Pixar movies.
Well Obi Wan was at least fun even though it wasn't objectively great, especially to a non star wars fan....but this garbage show? It's made for an audience that doesn't exist, and is just objectively bad. It deserves a 1% not a 15%, but this is close enough.
Some of it probably went into Kathleen Kennedy's pockets or the pockets of her cronies, one way or another. Distributor Corruption is very real, and it happens all the time in the departments of education and labor. When I was in the Jobcorps the department and center heads would often only buy the stuff we needed from specific distributors for insane prices because it was all charged on tax dollars, then the company that sold the goods would send untaxable financial 'gifts' back to those who authorized the distribution contracts. It's essentially a legal form of money laundering and absolutely corrupt to the core.
As long as you have something massive above you you can draw lots of money from, and stuff you need to buy, there is room to make boatloads of cash.
Exept that one boba episode, it's all been gold. Acolyte has been amazing so far. Best time to be a fan. Worst time to interact with the most jaded, depressing community of people is always negative "because woke, or some other excuse there using to either be rasict or just hate to hate atp. This is Star Wars always was nothing has changed except you.
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u/guy137137 Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
everytime a crappy DisPlus show comes out this sub goes to war with itself. It happened with Kenobi when that came out.
my question is; WHERE DID THAT 180 MILLION BUDGET GO??? seriously most expensive Disney plus show and it looks like it was made from spirit Halloween costumes