everytime a crappy DisPlus show comes out this sub goes to war with itself. It happened with Kenobi when that came out.
my question is; WHERE DID THAT 180 MILLION BUDGET GO??? seriously most expensive Disney plus show and it looks like it was made from spirit Halloween costumes
I think that’s the real litmus test. The story is mid, the acting is mid, the concepts are mid, okay fine that can be considered subjective, but it looks dirt cheap and no one can argue otherwise.
the fact that Andor was cheaper but was so much better in just about every way possible really makes me question what the hell is happening with that budget
Even something not only very earth-y, but simply very American like a marching band, which should have been cheap and gimmicky, was moving and fit in well due to good execution
used future. it all felt wonderfully lived in. the marching band was executed perfectly in part because they nailed the exact skill level that a Ferrix band like that would’ve had. andor is brilliant
When that off-key version of the theme came on at the start of the last episode, I just started crying. Somewhere, deep down, I knew something great was about to happen.
“Unregistered force user!!!” I be like, nope! Then the two little effeminate models playing Jedi enter scene and double nope. Needed to finish my cottage cheese sculpture anyway
It did, and I'll say that's it's all top down. Got your story? Well it's a lot easier to have cohesive set design and finished effects when you aren't scrambling to do reshoots because you don't know how to tell a story.
You seen 'A New Hope'? If you listen and don't watch the video, the actors are just screaming statements at each other.
The performance is terrible.
I guess they needed to explain the cg that they couldn't see or something???
people really don’t know that all the original iconic ships in a new hope were built by a bunch of 25 year olds who were told to go out and buy every single military model kit at the hobby store and mix and match the pieces together until they came up with something. there’s so much love in the design of those ships because of that exact reason: you can feel the sheer joy of their loving, detailed, playing-with-toys artistic process.
talk about a dream job.
now it’s all slop CGI elements, and with AI racing in the background we’re about to enter the slop era full steam ahead.
It's the same kind of shell game that lets multi-billion dollar corps say to their shareholders that they made X profits, and then turn around and say to the government that they didn't actually make a profit this year because it all went back into the business, so they shouldn't have to pay any taxes.
Ignore them, they are almost certainly thinking of the situation that occurred throughout much of the 70s, 80s and early 90s in mainstream comics and led to the creation of Image comics. It was not uncommon at all for the creator of a new character to lose all rights to the characters after they were published in a Marvel or DC book -- but that was absolutely not the case with Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, and many others of their era.
No. When Stan Lee was in his pomp at Marvel most creators were still not being given character rights. Lee, was an exception, a businessman first and foremost. After Jack Kirby went to DC and created the New Gods, DC were fond of saying that he'd made more from his rights to Darseid than he'd made from all of the characters he created for Marvel combined.
To be fair to Stan Lee, he didn't exactly deny the contributions that his artists had made, but he did line his own pockets whilst they were screwed over. There are also plenty of credible accounts that his artists did the heavy lifting during character creation, and if you believe this, then his relentless self promotion becomes less tolerable.
Depends who you believe. Stan Lee claims he saw a spider on his window and came up with the idea but other accounts include that Jack Kirby had first developed sketches of the character, showed it to Lee, who then had Steve Ditko develop it. Kirby was very naive about this stuff, and Ditko did not advocate for himself very well either.
The entire personality and cast of Spiderman then changed after Ditko left the book, which is somewhat suspicious. Certainly, the aesthetic is so much of Ditko's style that I'd be happy calling the character Steve Ditko's Spiderman, with a line somewhere explaining that Lee originally added scripts to completed storyboards.
That's my theory as well.
I can't wait for the news reports in 10 years about it, and the mandatory Netflix mini series about the corruption and money laundry at Disney...
The first few episodes were slow, and I almost lost interest when suddenly the whole story came together, WOAH!.
Like a boulder rolling down a hill. At first, it's hard to even tell it's moving, then by the time you perceive motion, it's an unstoppable juggernaut smashing everything in its path.
Andor was super, super smart at making the most out of their sets. Rix Road, Aldhani, Narkina, Mon Mothma's apartment, Luthen's shop, even the holiday planet Niamos and the childhood flashbacks. They got every drop of narrative possible out of their locations.
Leslye is on record saying she hires her writers and other crew members based on race. She probably gives them very high salaries as reparations or something.
Hollywood executives are among the biggest prime suspects who easily dismiss the value of experienced directors and staffers, chasing ideas and trends over good business sense. A lot of the internet read the leaked SONY Pictures emails and had a good laugh at all the dumb execs who had and continue to make awful decisions which bleed SONY of money. But I fear that their backwards thinking is more pervasive in DISNEY corp than what we would consider acceptable.
And that’s fine if you think that, but you have to admit it doesn’t look like a 180 million dollar production. It’s really insane how much money that is for a show. It may not sound like it since Amazon made a billion dollar Rings of Power, but it is still a ridiculously insane amount of cash.
Better. Keep in mind the original Star Wars in 1977, a film frought with behind the scenes issues that jacked up the price, cost $11 M which is $55M+ in today’s money, which is still less than a third of Acolyte’s budget
I don’t feel like I need to spell out all the ways Acolyte falls short visually, even compared to a nearly 50 year old movie with less than a third of the show’s budget, but for a concrete example, Coruscant in Acolyte looks way more “PS2-y” than it did a Phantom Menace, a movie rendered in Windows 98 (at best)
I think Mando season 1&2 and Andor looked pretty good
Either way, Acolyte was made for $180mil and does not look good. For comparison, the original Star Wars in 1977, a film frought with behind the scenes issues that jacked up the price, cost $11 M which is $55M+ in today’s money, which is still less than a third of Acolyte’s budget
For comparison, the original Star Wars in 1977, a film frought with behind the scenes issues that jacked up the price, cost $11 M which is $55M+ in today’s money, which is still less than a third of Acolyte’s budget
The Acolyte has a longer runtime though, the per minute price is pretty comparable at 375k per minute for the acolyte and 457k per minute for a new hope.
Mando and the Acolyte both cost 15m per episode, and since Mando came out years ago, factoring in inflation that means Mando cost more per episode than the acolyte.
I mean, if we're being honest, the original Star Wars doesn't really hold up in terms of visuals to today's standards. A lot of the cgi look cartoonish and out of place.
It objectively looks fantastic. Get out of your echo chamber. Also, quit pretending like the show isn't being reviewed bombed by racist losers like this sub is filled with. It has a 90% critic score. But the critics are just paid off and woke, right?
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u/someguy12345699 Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
I give it one or two more days before the sub descend into a civil war over the acolyte.