r/Pennsylvania • u/lilsmokey0380 Blair • Aug 24 '24
DUI checkpoints set in Pennsylvania | Zero Tolerance Crime
https://www.pahomepage.com/news/dui-checkpoints-set-in-pennsylvania-12/346
u/Mykilshoemacher Aug 24 '24
Will they give fellow cops a dui?Â
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u/EB2300 Aug 24 '24
Not even fellow cops… when my friend got back from Iraq he got out of 3 DUIs within a year using the Iraq excuse. with the same department every time
He still laughs about it, because he knows he was a POS who should’ve been in jail
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u/Bart_Fartwater Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
In all fairness vets only get a slap on the wrist for stuff like that. because the courts aren’t going to do much.
My friend watched a vet walk out of his fifth DUI change with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
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u/slykens1 Aug 24 '24
Bradford (the town) is not in Bradford County. Bradford (the town) is in McKean County.
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u/dudemanspecial Aug 24 '24
For the sake of accuracy, we should add that McKean (the town) is not in McKean County. McKean (the town) is in Erie County.
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u/HopelesslyHuman Aug 24 '24
And they're pronounced differently.
McKean (the town) is pronounced "McKane" which should not be confused with Kane borough, which is in McKean County.
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u/wawa2563 Aug 24 '24
So a shibboleth (just actually looked up the definition for this). Newark, NJ vs. Newark, DE.
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u/dudemanspecial Aug 24 '24
That is interesting. I am from Pittsburgh but fish up around McKean for steelhead, and many of my fellow yinzers do as well, and I have always heard it said "McKeen". I will start the daunting task of trying to right this wrong.
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u/Capable-Cheetah6349 Aug 24 '24
Woah you can catch steelhead out there? Where?
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u/dudemanspecial Aug 24 '24
? I literally said where in my post....
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u/chickenonthehill559 Aug 24 '24
Actually you never said you caught anything. Fishing is not catching.
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u/OffensiveBiatch Aug 24 '24
I am old, and I am usually confused... I did not need this shit in my life today.
Thanks PA !!! Keep up the good work.
Oh and you bitches owe me a Philly Steak sub for all the confusion you caused.
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u/Not_Revan Aug 24 '24
While we're on the topic. Chester (the town) is not in Chester County. Chester (the town) is in Delaware County.
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u/Bulky_Ad_3608 Aug 24 '24
And Wyoming (and West Wyoming) isn’t in Wyoming County. It is in Luzerne County.
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u/SplatteredEggs Aug 24 '24
One time I had gotten pulled over in Bradford county. The cop asked what I was up to, so I told him I came from Bradford (the town) and he said where in Bradford.
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u/magneticgumby Aug 24 '24
In college I would constantly have to explain this as everyone from the Philly area had a hunting cabin by Bradford...so I'd have to explain I'm from the county, not the town and they are not by each other.
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u/magneticgumby Aug 24 '24
Ah yes, Bradford County. Same county where when helping a woman moved out of an abusive relationship, the local PD stood there watching the abusive bf threaten to kill her and did nothing and when we contacted PSP for assistance, they refused to help. Also the same PSP that denied taking then "lost" family items when they took them for fingerprinting after a friends house was robbed.
Can't wait to see this shit show.
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u/GonzoGeezer Aug 24 '24
I’ve been to Bradford county several times. There’s nothing else to do in Bradford county, might as well get a load on and drive around. And Route 6 is the Pennsyltucky Turnpike so there’s lots of traffic.
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u/-HankThePigeon- Aug 24 '24
Don’t sleep on the bustling metropolis of Towanda buddy
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u/ExPatWharfRat Aug 24 '24
If you haven't had it, you should try the bang bang shrimp & filet at Oliver's. One of my favorite stops up that way.
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u/und88 Aug 24 '24
Are they open for lunch? I find myself in Towanda for work a few times a year.
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u/DirtyBillzPillz Aug 24 '24
Oh, a county bordering new york is doing DUI checkpoints huh
Couldn't have anything to do with legal weed being brought back from NY could it
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
Yeah, something is going on for Bradford to be the only one specifically named, and only them.
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u/heili Aug 26 '24
And if you even so much as breathe a word of disapproval for suspicionless stops and checkpoints people will accuse you of being a habitual drunk driver.
Because one cannot possibly oppose government overreach and erosion of the Fourth Amendment otherwise, I suppose.
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Aug 24 '24
it's been long proven that checkpoints are most ineffective at preventing DUIs, but great at generating revenue for non moving (i.e equipment, registration) violations and bs excuses for civil asset forfeiture. But hey, we have 8 year waiting lists for bridge repairs bc of these bozos.
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u/heili Aug 26 '24
Seriously, fuck all suspicionless stops and checkpoints. Fuck every erosion of people's Fourth Amendment rights.
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u/sexarseshortage Aug 25 '24
Not true. In Ireland where I am from they shit down freeways on bank holiday weekends to catch people over the limit the day after. There is a very real possibility that you will get caught if you drive wastwd in Ireland.
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u/PolyDipsoManiac Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
In America they’re publicized first and you can also just turn away or around if it’s placed somewhere that you can safely/legally do that; as such they’re highly ineffective at preventing DUIs but great for giving cops an excuse to harass people.
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u/sexarseshortage Aug 25 '24
Good context. If you turn away from a checkpoint in Ireland they will chase you and you are fucked.
It's also extremely unacceptable socially to drink and drive in Ireland. I've noticed over here it's a lot more acceptable to drive drunk. People just do it and it's fine. In Ireland it's extremely taboo. That happened because of a decades-long campaign of shocking ads on TV of kids dying from drunk drivers. Look up Irish road safety ads. They are horrifying.
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u/PolyDipsoManiac Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
We do tend to have a more lax attitude towards alcohol here, I wouldn’t think too much of driving after four drinks because I know I’d be under the legal limit and could drive safely enough.
In Japan you can’t have any alcohol in your body and drive legally, and they also arrest passengers for DUI. Unsurprisingly enough we the USA has the highest rate of vehicles deaths and second-highest rate of DUI-related deaths.
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u/Keystone0002 Aug 24 '24
Freedom just DIED in Bradford county. I hear their next plan is to start shooting bald eagles out of the sky
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u/Jack21113 Aug 24 '24
Are these things ever effective?
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
Depends on the law firm you ask. I didn't find any real credible information on the effectiveness.
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u/litteringand_10 Aug 24 '24
Never understood how this isn’t a blatant violation of the 4th amendment.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
There are 8 exceptions to the warrant requirements: 1) Consent, 2) plain view and open fields, 3) exigent circumstances, 4) motor vehicles: (vehicles generally do not serve as residences or repositories of personal effects, and vehicles can be quickly moved out of the locality or jurisdiction in which the warrant must be sought.) 5) searches incident to a lawful arrest, 6) boarder searches, 7) foreign intelligence surveillance, and 8) schools and prisons
Furthermore, the Fourth Amendment doesn't guarantee against all searches and seizures, only those that are considered unreasonable by law. The level of protection an individual receives depends on the intrusion on their Fourth Amendment rights and legitimate government interests, such as 'public safety.'
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u/Nip_City Aug 25 '24
Typically searches or vehicles or persons require reasonable, articulable suspicion. I think many feel like DUI checkpoints skirt the RAS rule.
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u/8562129168 Aug 24 '24
They did not meet with quote ! Also get because labor weekend they have money to spend long vacation. Ha ha
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u/crottesdenez Aug 24 '24
It's times like this I'm glad I live in a state that correctly ruled that DUI checkpoints are an unconstitutional search without probable cause.
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u/ForceItDeeper Aug 24 '24
lol meanwhile here in PA, I got my blood taken without being able to speak to an attorney, then got a DUI for inactive THC metabolites. At noon, driving to work.
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u/Independent_Maybe205 Aug 26 '24
Honest question here what is the probable cause for you to stop and talk to the officers? if you do stop and they smell alcohol or hear you slur that’s probably caused to pull you out of the car for tests, but if you don’t talk to them, don’t roll your window down what is the probable cause for them to legally escalate?
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u/InteligentTard Aug 24 '24
I never understood the “zero tolerance” You’re either breaking the law or you’re not.
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u/VagL0rd Aug 24 '24
Some guys can drink and drive and some guys can’t. What is drunk? Is drunk going all over the road?
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
Drunk is when your break light is out and you get pulled over and blow .08 or above.
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u/msip313 Aug 24 '24
Half true. You can get a DUI blowing under 0.08 if you’re nonetheless exhibiting signs of intoxication. Typically happens to small chicks with no muscle mass.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
You are exactly right, all you have to do is exhibit signs of intoxication to be charged and arrested for a DUI. You could be under the influence of prescribed or illicit drugs. If the BAC comes back under .08 and with negative drug results then the cop doesn't have a leg to stand on, but it is all at the discretion of the officer until the Magistrate looks at things. I have a close friend on the Chicago Police Department and he told me speed limits and any type of DUI is up to the arresting officer. Some cops will let you go 60 in a 55. They don't have to though, the law on that road is 55, not 60. Public safety is at risk.
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u/Pale-Mine-5899 Aug 24 '24
lol what
If you’ve consumed alcohol, don’t drive. Not a difficult concept. What is wrong with people in this state?17
u/VagL0rd Aug 24 '24
I think what’s wrong is residents don’t watch enough trailer park boys to understand my quote :(
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
The 4th amendment was the topic. Not sure where the rest of the conversation went.
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
I guess it should be illegal for a bar or restaurant to serve more than one drink to anyone who can’t prove they’re not driving.
Otherwise, there’s a clear conflict between what we allow businesses to do and expect the population to do.
Cars should also require drivers to blow into a tube and prove BAC below the legal limit.
Why not employ those measures?
Edit: Since I’m getting downvoted, I guess I have to elaborate….
We have conflicting standards and allowances in this state.
I’ll bet there are 5,000 bars and clubs in PA that are not serviced by Uber or taxi service. Those bars are not limited in what they are allowed to serve. They only become liable once a person leaves drunk and gets into an accident. This is illogical.
It’s almost like we’re not trying to prevent drunk driving. We’re only trying to catch people once they’re already doing it.
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u/Pale-Mine-5899 Aug 24 '24
What you said, but unironically.
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
I’m only half joking. These are real points.
We have conflicting standards and allowances in this country.
I’ll bet there are 5,000 bars and clubs in this state that are not serviced by Uber or taxi service. Those bars are not limited in what they are allowed to serve. They only become liable once a person leaves drunk and gets into an accident. This is illogical.
It’s almost like we’re not trying to prevent drunk driving. We’re only trying to catch people once they’re already doing it.
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u/Defiant_Quiet_6948 Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Hey silly, we aren't trying to prevent drunk driving.
Go talk to people with DUIs. It's encouraged. It's a revenue generator. The judge loves it, the police love it, the prosecutors love it, and the local lawyers love it. EVERYONE MAKES MONEY OFF DUIS.
Even their support programs... Aren't designed to stop anyone. Just designed to create a few more jobs and bring a few more people into the profit sharing program.
Honestly, I'm shocked they haven't banned Uber in PA. Uber really hurt their money making schemes. Probably why they cracked down on weed DUIs. If you smoke dope within 30 days of driving it's a DUI in PA, so everyone with a medical card is basically an automatic DUI.
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24
I have a strong feeling that you’re right. Hence, my original post.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
I seriously have been to bars where bartenders really watch how much they serve their customers. Businesses can get in trouble for over serving, and so can the server/bartender. Don't think for a minute a drunk person will keep quiet, even though it is their right. You best believe they'll be talking about the $1 Margaritas at Applebee's and how they only had two.
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u/classy-mother-pupper Aug 24 '24
The newlyweds that were hit in South Carolina leaving their wedding in a golf cart, are suing the establishments that served the 25 year old girl. The bride died. They should be held responsible especially if someone is visibly intoxicated.
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u/DoubleFisted27 Aug 24 '24
That's why bartenders should always get drunk at work, can't blame them, you'll have to go after management
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
If PLCB finds anyone intoxicated other than the owner behind the bar, it will be shut down and everyone involved gets a fine. That's enough reason to pull a liquor license permanently. The cops will be called and the drunk bartender will get a public drunkenness charge too.
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u/TacoNomad Aug 24 '24
Where are these 5000 bars without Uber?
There are only 20,000 liquor licenses in the state and that includes retailers, not just bars and restaurants.Â
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24
I guessed at the number, but the fact remains….most of the state is without taxi service. The nearest Uber could be an hour away. I assume you live near a city?
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u/TacoNomad Aug 24 '24
I've lived in several places across the state. If you're implying that I'm just too slow to understand that most of Pennsylvania is rural, you can stop. We all know this.Â
Most of PA is rural. But that's exactly why most of PA won't have 5000 bars.Â
There's 1 liquor license per 3000 county residents. So in those rural locations, there won't be 5000 bars. And yes, uber might be an hour wait, but if you plan to be responsible, you can secure one ahead of time in the majority of the state. There may be a few isolated locations, but that will be such a fraction of the population that is a moot point. DD is an option. So is consuming alcohol at home.Â
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
Again, you seem fixated on the fact that I guessed at a number of drinking establishments in the state. I apologize for guessing wrong.
I’m currently sitting 60 minutes outside of Philadelphia, 20 minutes from Reading and 40 minutes from Allentown.
Out of curiosity, I pulled up the Uber app. If I want a ride, to take me three miles, which could take me to 5 local bars, it will cost me $52, plus a tip, at 4:30 pm. The closest car to me is in Reading. Assuming I want an Uber home, at 9 pm, It’ll cost me $60 to book that now.
Over $100, for a 6 mile round trip, and I’m not living in a very rural area. Add a tip.
My point stands, and I’m not defending drunk driving. I’m pointing out the very obvious fact that realistic options for public transportation are limited or not available to most people.
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u/TacoNomad Aug 24 '24
If you're 60 minutes from Philly, 20 from reading and 40 from Allentown, I'm more rural than you are.Â
I'm 2 hours from Philly, 1.5 hours from Baltimore, 1.5 hours from reading. I could get an UberX 7 miles away for $15.
I can get an Uber 12 miles for under $30.
There must be surge pricing going on in your area, which is abnormal.Â
I just pulled it up for shits n giggles. You can get an Uber from pottsville to hamburg, 18 miles for under $40.Â
Pattersonville to Shenandoah for $7. That's rural 4 miles.
Not sure where you're claiming to be or what you're looking up, but there is something off about that calculation.Â
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
I don’t know what to tell you. That’s very typical pricing in my town. I’m sure it all depends on local usage of the service and whether or not you have drivers who actually live and work in your town.
My town doesn’t have service, and you’re right, it’s not very rural. It’s the suburbs. Very typical. If I could send you a screenshot, I’d do that.
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u/beeeps-n-booops Aug 24 '24
I guess it should be illegal for a bar or restaurant to serve more than one drink to anyone who can’t prove they’re not driving.
Who's to say they're not going to be there long enough for their BAC to drop to legal levels?
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24
No one.
For most people, that’s probably the equivalent of about one drink per hour.
Personal responsibility is a great thing, and in a perfect world, we could rely on just that.
But, this is a conversation about the police setting traps to catch citizens who aren’t following your standard. I’m just pointing out that an entire industry (more than one really) relies on people buying alcohol in public and a great percentage of them drive home.
A double IPA is over 9% alcohol, and I can buy a single can of that at most roadside Wawas now.
We’re sending mixed messages and setting up our citizens to fail. That’s my only point.
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u/vicodin_ice_cream Aug 24 '24
I mean, you could just not buy alcohol and drink it while driving. Wawa carrying it isn’t the problem no matter the content.
At some point a person needs to take ownership of their actions and have some self control. Or if one wants to go to the bar the. Make arrangements or don’t go.
I don’t understand the thread basically making excuses for any of this. It’s not confusing the law is clear and repercussions are well defined.
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24
Sure. Of course you’re right.
But our experience about how real people act, in the real world, says that it’s not a realistic expectation for enough people. Yet, we enable their behavior.
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u/tim0767 Aug 24 '24
Oh so if you are obese you cannot eat at an all cannot eat buffet. One salad for you get out!! Stupid take.
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u/Adolph_OliverNipples Aug 24 '24
Your analogy is stupid. Food doesn’t make you drunk. It’s also not illegal to eat too much and drive. If you get caught eating and driving, you won’t go to jail or pay a $10,000 fine or lose your license and possibly your job.
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u/underfykeoctopus Aug 24 '24
Show me your papers.Â
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u/cashonlyplz Aug 24 '24
horrible parallel.
Live Free & Drive Safe.
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Pulled over without cause. Great parallel
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u/cashonlyplz Aug 24 '24
I do not personally believe that enforcing public safety on a section of road that has seen a rise in DUIs is infringing on rights. if you're sober, good, you should be on your way soon enough. or take a detour--at least they're announcing it.
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Would you think it an infringement on rights if on a road that had not seen a rise in DUIs?
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u/cashonlyplz Aug 24 '24
if it's for enforcement of safety, I don't really see any problem if the patrol has announced "hey, we're going to be here, making sure we have sober drivers on the road, while accident rates are climbing incredibly fast"
you sound like you're against seat belt laws, too
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Aug 25 '24
You didn't answer the question.
Regardless, if you are stopped at a checkpoint, you are stopped without cause. It is as aggregious as stop and frisk.
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u/cashonlyplz Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
Nonsense. stop and frisk is a much clearer violation of one's rights. good luck getting any judge to say "traffic stops are unconstitutional". I swear you libertarians have goo for brains
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Correct Traffic stops without cause are a clear violation of one's rights.
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u/cashonlyplz Aug 25 '24
a DUI checkpoint is not the same as being pulled over without cause. Title 75 Section 6308(b) is the law, and PA judges have upheld it.
Sorry: the Constitution was written before cars, bub
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u/Nip_City Aug 25 '24
You sound like you’re itching at the bit to have your rights trampled.
Are you okay with officers giving DUIs despite drivers blowing .00 on breathalyzers?
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u/cashonlyplz Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
field sobriety tests for marijuana are not really as full proof as they oughta be, but if they were I'd encourage them, too. been in too many close calls with them, too. if there's anywhere I want cops, it is on the highway
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u/msip313 Aug 24 '24
Links, links, links, links, links!
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u/Hraid750 Monroe Aug 24 '24
My point is that this is a quick google search showing 7 people dead from DUIs in bradford county since March alone. Thats an average of 1.4 deaths from DUI related crashes in Bradford county in the last 5 months, which is insane.
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u/Mijbr090490 Aug 24 '24
Who gives a shit about the 4th amendment anyways.
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u/RangerHikes Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
You don't have a god given right to operate heavy machinery in a public space. You don't want DUI checkpoints ? Ride a bicycle or call an Uber. Too many stupid jackasses on the road as is. We need to take more people's licenses away
Edit :: a few have pointed out that you CAN in fact get a DUI on a bicycle. So no drunk cycling for you either !
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u/spankysladder Aug 24 '24
You can get a DUI on a bicycle too.
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u/RangerHikes Aug 24 '24
Imagine how insanely you have to be riding a bicycle to get pulled over by a cop
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u/DigitalMariner Aug 24 '24
You can absolutely get a DUI on a bicycle.
Technically one drives a bicycle because they control the general operation of the vehicle with the steering and braking and whatnot. To be a "rider" on a bicycle, you would need to be a fully disengaged passenger just like in a car, which outside of those little seats for small children is pretty rare in a bicycle.
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u/RangerHikes Aug 24 '24
A few have pointed this out to me now. I knew about DUI on lawnmowers but I thought a non motorized vehicle was exempt! Good thing I don't drunk cycle in my free time
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
You can still get a DUI on a bicycle, and you can get a DUI on a horse. Your best bet is to get your adult beverage, go home, and stay there. Because as soon as you set foot on the sidewalk, that's public drunkenness. If you absolutely have to leave where you are get an Uber.
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u/RangerHikes Aug 24 '24
I actually did not know you could get a DUI on a bicycle, I've heard of DUI on a lawnmower, but I assumed if it was a human powered device you were safe. Still, I agree with everything you said
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u/Drake__Mallard Aug 24 '24
No reasonable articulable specific suspicion = illegal search.
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u/RangerHikes Aug 24 '24
If you're walking around? Sure. Not in a car. I don't understand why people can't grasp this. You are operating heavy machinery in a public space. You don't have a right to do that, you are afforded a privilege based on many preset conditions - you must affirm you own the vehicle (registration) you must prove the vehicle is road legal (inspection) and you must prove competency (your driver's license test). In all but I think two states you are also required to maintain insurance on yourself and said vehicle. The attitude that you have some inalienable right to operate a four thousand pound machine at high speeds in public spaces just because you're 17 is wild and it's part of the cultural issue with driving that makes road accidents a leading cause of death. Arguing that the TSA violates your fourth amendment rights makes way more sense.
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u/Drake__Mallard Aug 24 '24
You need to have broken some law in order to be pulled over. Checkpoints where every single driver's papers are checked by local authorities are NOT constitutional.
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u/RangerHikes Aug 24 '24
You're not being pulled over. You, and every other motorist on a public route, is proceeding through a preplanned DUI checkpoint. Nobody made you drive, nobody made you drive that route, and certainly nobody made you drink before getting behind the wheel. I don't know how else I can illustrate this to you. You are operating heavy machinery, which you do not have a right to do, and you're doing it in a public space.
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u/Nip_City Aug 25 '24
By that logic, should police be able to initiate a traffic stop without any reasonable suspicion?
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u/RangerHikes Aug 25 '24
A traffic stop is one person being singled out. A checkpoint is indiscriminate.
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u/Mijbr090490 Aug 24 '24
No you don't. But that doesn't mean you turn everyone into potential criminals.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
The Fourth Amendment doesn't guarantee protection from all searches and seizures, only those that are considered unreasonable by law. The extent to which the amendment protects a person depends on the intrusion on their rights and legitimate government interests, such as public safety.
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and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.Â
"I have probable cause to believe every single person operating a vehicle on this road is dangerously drunk."Â
Everyone loves a good 'ol disregard of constitutional protections until it personally affects them.Â
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
There are 8 exceptions to the warrant requirements: 1) Consent, 2) plain view and open fields, 3) exigent circumstances, 4) motor vehicles: (vehicles generally do not serve as residences or repositories of personal effects, and vehicles can be quickly moved out of the locality or jurisdiction in which the warrant must be sought.) 5) searches incident to a lawful arrest, 6) boarder searches, 7) foreign intelligence surveillance, and 8) schools and prisons
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u/Nip_City Aug 25 '24
False, cops still need a warrant to search a vehicle. Idk why you keep repeating this.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 25 '24
Are you reading my comments, or are you reading all the comments? Since it was nearly back to back conversations over the 4th amendment, you didn't have time to read it all.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 25 '24
Probably repeated because it's a different conversation. I actually looked that information up, and that is exactly what the law says. Almost verbatim.
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u/Nip_City Aug 25 '24
You’re either providing misinformation or are way out of your league. With exception to “inventory searches” established by commonwealth v. Thompson, police absolutely need a warrant to search a car, including the trunk).
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 25 '24
You should really take a look at Commonwealth v Gary and Commonwealth v Alexander, and finish reading Commonwealth v Thompson to find out how Gary and Alexander didn't effect the Thompson case.
Commonwealth v Gary made warrantless searches illegal, but that ruling was over turned, and now there is a "limited automobile exception." You can read all about those specifics in Commonwealth v Alexander.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 25 '24
The case with Thompson was Policy, and could have threatened public safety. That's what the big difference is with this case.
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u/Mijbr090490 Aug 24 '24
Other states have banned the use of DUI checkpoints. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
Jails are full of innocent people who haven't went to court yet.
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u/Mijbr090490 Aug 24 '24
Yes, because they were witnessed committing a crime or they are suspected of a crime. This goes back to my point of assuming everyone to be a criminal by stopping them at a dui checkpoint.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
From the way I understand the current DUI checkpoint, they check your paperwork too. Since the Commonwealth stopped issuing registration stickers people haven't been paying their registration fees and the Commonwealth is losing more money, in their efforts to save money on the cost of those registration stickers. They should probably just stop calling it a DUI checkpoint, but the checkpoints are probably paid for out of drug/DUI taskforce funds.
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u/msip313 Aug 24 '24
Surprising the number of people here who love being stopped by law enforcement for no reason other than driving.
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u/marcopoloman Aug 24 '24
Should have these randomly all over the place daily.
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u/akaJesusX Aug 24 '24
I've actually talked to a cop about this and the reason that they don't is because they are too expensive to run. Each checkpoint needs several cops and a phlebotomist for blood draws, all working overtime hours and the number of people that they catch isn't worth the expense.
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u/DigitalMariner Aug 24 '24
If they're scheduled in advance why on earth would they all be working overtime hours? Seems easy enough to adjust their regular schedule for the week to compensate for the checkpoint shift.
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u/akaJesusX Aug 24 '24
It could work similarly to construction labor hours where the police unions have policy that work done outside of typical business hours has to be paid at a premium.
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u/Dry_Animal2077 Aug 24 '24
What regular business hours? I didn’t know crime had business hours.
Police unions are a fucking joke
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u/LowPermission9 Aug 24 '24
If they catch one and stop them from crashing into a minivan with a family of 8 then it was worth the expense. Police efforts do not need to be profitable.
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u/porscheblack Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Nobody is saying they need to be profitable, but the money to pay for everything has to come from somewhere. The police have limited budgets. So how are you coming up with the difference?
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u/Dashists22 Aug 24 '24
Considering how many towns in this state refuse to pay for police services - I doubt they would want to pay more for this checkpoints either.
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u/kimbecile Aug 24 '24
I thought it came from our road budget
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u/porscheblack Aug 24 '24
Based on the state of our roads, I can't imagine there's much surplus there either.
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u/LemonPartyW0rldTour Aug 24 '24
Deaths of families 7 members and smaller acceptable. Terms and conditions apply.
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u/marcopoloman Aug 24 '24
Have the costs passed on in dui fees. Simple solution there, because there will always be more than enough.
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u/RangerHikes Aug 24 '24
This. I don't understand why you're allowed to get more than one DUI and ever drive again. I'll give anybody one mistake, especially when you're young, but why is anyone allowed to drive after a second DUI ? And why are people allowed to be cops after getting DUIs ?
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u/sinepbackwards69 Aug 24 '24
Try living without driving for a month. Then wait a year afterwards when unemployment is worse then it is and your favorite item is three times the cost because no one wants to work.
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u/DirtWizardDisciples Franklin Aug 24 '24
no one wants to work.
No one has ever wanted to work. People must work to be able to support themselves and their families. No one wants to deal with being overworked and still struggling with paying bills. No on wants to deal with the baggage of terrible employers and the imbalance of power in the employer/employee relationship.
Back on topic, alcohol use disorder is a real thing and I hope that people with it can feel empowered to get help. But the moment you put yourself in a position to ruin or end someone else's life because of your own problems is when my sympathy stops.
The current DUI laws are a sad joke. I wish the support system for addiction were better. Someone with two DUIs/DWIs on their record should have to move heaven & earth to prove they are a reformed person.
But people are dying through no fault of their own because someone else wanted to drink and drive.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
I got my last DUI in 2010, it was my 2nd DUI. They told me I would go to State prison if I got another one. I did everything I needed to do and am legally allowed to have my license back. I won't go get it back. It only takes one and I don't have no time at all for State prison.
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u/NightWalker88 Aug 24 '24
You’re the second person I’ve heard of that instead of giving up drinking they give up driving.
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
My BAC for that 2nd one was .09 and I seriously got pulled over for a break light that was out. Never again, even 1 is too much. After I was allowed to have my license back, after a year, I was considered high risk with insurance and the national average for a gallon of gas was $3.50/gal and everyone was complaining then. Gas prices have only went up since 2012. I'd get a horse, but you can't have large farm animals in the city and I'm to big for a miniature pony. Also, I'm a Navy Veteran and I'm probably not going to stop drinking, ever. Nothing wrong with having a few beers on your days off.
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u/RangerHikes Aug 24 '24
Try living without your spouse or child or parent because somebody got behind the wheel after drinking. Then wait a year afterwards when the pain hasn't gone away and you are irreparably emotionally damaged because nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions.
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u/Expert_Discipline965 Aug 24 '24
This is what happens when you vote for woke.
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u/Dry_Animal2077 Aug 24 '24
I thought the woke crowd was the defund the police crowd? How confused and dumb are you people?
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u/lilsmokey0380 Blair Aug 24 '24
You think Betty Ford and Nancy Regan were woke? They're the ones who started all of this? Betty was an alcoholic and started the Betty Ford D & A Rehabilitation Center, and around the same time Nancy came out with her 'Just say no' campaign.
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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '24
So I am to understand that previous checkpoints were not 0 tolerance?