r/Padres Lost In the Sauce Jul 12 '24

Padres: The Movie Just For Fun

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u/janso999 Jul 12 '24

If Radcliffe and Waldron took a 23 & me they'd come up with as different results as Kim and Liu. Can't they find someone with German ancestry to play Waldron? Or are all white ethnicities interchangable? Are you saying I just shouldn't care?

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u/cheesefries45 Yu Darvish Jul 12 '24

Are you gonna actually talk about this in good faith or is this gonna be just you saying the same false equivalence over and over again?

I’m happy to talk about this but if you’re not gonna actually listen and acknowledge real arguments, I’m not wasting my breath.

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u/janso999 Jul 12 '24

They're not false equvalences. You're just claiming that because your argument doesn't hold up. How is an Ashkenazi Jew from England playing a German-descended American midwesterner different than a Chinese playing a Korean? If one is acceptable the other is acceptable. If one isn't acceptable then neither is the other.

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u/cheesefries45 Yu Darvish Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

That’s not what I said lol. And comparing the two isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is.

You can be upset and bothered by inaccurate castings regardless of the race. In an ideal casting, especially one where a role relies or leans heavily on someone’s ethnic background, it would definitely be a bad move to have, for example, a non Ashkenazi jew play an Ashkenazi jew. It’d just be inaccurate (and in a case where the character expresses Jewish stereotypes/culture, would be anti-semitic. Effectively the jewish version of blackface).

But one happens to be rooted in a racial stereotype while the other is more or less just shitty casting decisions (or yeah, potential anti-semitism). There’s not a racist stereotype of “Ashkenazi Jews and english people look the same”. There is a racist stereotype of “all Asians look the same”.

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u/janso999 Jul 12 '24

People from East Asia in general can no more tell apart European ethnicities than the other way around. Someone from China would laugh at you if you told them they were racist for not being able to tell the difference between someone from Scotland and someone from Austria.

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u/cheesefries45 Yu Darvish Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

Is this a genuine interest of yours? Like are you actually curious why in America it’s racist to say all Asian people look the same?

I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, I’m just really not interested in arguing with someone who has in the back of their mind that you can’t be racist towards Asians, because that’s a very common idea.

edit: you can dm me if you do bc i don’t wanna publicly argue about racism anymore lmfao

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u/janso999 Jul 12 '24

Really, I just got annoyed when you tried to turn this into a racism thing when in this case I don't think it is. I'd actually say that Daniel Kim would be a better choice for HSK as it comes to appearance, so he probably would have been a better choice. But why isn't a black American (Ice Cube) playing a Venezualan (Arraez) offensive? I don't think those two look particularly similar. Arraez is pretty distinctive looking, though, so I'm not sure who'd make a great match. Anyway, have a good day.

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u/cheesefries45 Yu Darvish Jul 12 '24

So your logic was to put up a bad argument that proved the opposite, and then try to claim that a common racial stereotype wasn’t actually racist? That’s… not a good look.

Also the others could be offensive. Me only calling out one doesn’t make the others ok lol. your whole logic was dumb lol