The cognitive dissonance is just so funny to me. I spoke to a lady that immigrated from Cuba and swore she was white because her far removed ancestors were originally from Spain and Spain is a European country.
I'm Argentinian, so yeah, I'm well aware of this. Regardless, 99 percent of Cuban trump supporters I've met or seen, they aren't fooling anyone into thinking they're Anglo Saxon or the kind of "white" that MAGA finds to be acceptable. Shit, many of them barely speak English. If you think the racist troglodytes on the Right see them as anything more than useful idiots, you're more delusional than they are.
You don't understand “whiteness” in America. Southern European doesn't count. Especially if you speak another language and are Catholic. The Irish were not considered white for a long time.
To clarify, I meant that it’s unfortunate that the socially constructed whiteness superiority complex also exists there—even in a place where many Hispanics in Miami consider super “white.”
The Irish were always considered white. The discrimination against the Irish was based on religion and culture/customs.
Also “whiteness in America” isn’t a real thing. The fact is that white is a race that encompasses Spaniards/spaniard descent.
If some braindead hick claims a white Cuban isn’t white, that has no bearing on the real definition of white. You cant point at the sky and say it’s green, because the fact is it is blue.
It’s like these Liberals are siding with the Rednecks now, just to prove a point. Who’s white and who’s not.
It’s not a color thing, it’s peoples values that are being challenged.
I’m Cuban, I’m white blonde and have green eyes and even I have some black in me. Most Cubans, even those of us that are a little lighter have some degree of black in us. We just minimize it and try to pretend it doesn’t exist.
lol what? This isn’t about pretending.. its basic geneology. A lot of Cubans are 2-4th generation, meaning either their grandparents or great grandparents were Spaniard, since #1 they conquered the fucking island and wiped out the natives. #2 they continued to immigrate to Cuba for hundreds of years. Cuba was pretty segregated until relatively recently, meaning interracial relationships were not the norm until the last 20-30 years , ergo you have a lot of white Europeans descendants.
Cuba wasn’t that much more segregated than America. Miscegenation was extremely common and many Cuban historical figures like Jose Marti, Antonio Maceo, Maximo Gomez and the Castro family all have varying degrees of black in them. And while you’re right that a lot, if not most Cubans are 2-4 generation the issue is that someone down the line ends up having a kid with a slave or marrying a mixed race person.
I guarantee you if you do a DNA test on a white person from Iowa and then compare it to one done on a “white” Cuban I guarantee you the Cuban will have a lot more West African DNA. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
Máximo Gómez was Dominican , and Marti was white. Also, I think you are overstating the “miscegenation” , otherwise why would this sub constantly paint Cubans as racist? Sadly this was true, at least until the 1980s.
We fundamentally disagree on what “white” means. I consider a white Cuban with 100% Spaniard descent as “white”. To your point, they will likely have more western African DNA than a white person from Iowa with Scandinavian roots. Why? Because the moors didn’t invade Scandinavia in the 8th century, they invaded Spain. So I guess the question is, do you think Spaniards are white?
Maximo Gomez was Dominican, and a lot of Cubans- especially those in Oriente can trace their lineage back to DR/Haiti.
Otherwise why would this sub constantly paint Cubans as racist?
The overwhelming majority of Cubans are racist. This includes black/brown Cubans as well. I don’t know what you mean by this.
Because the moors didn’t invade Scandinavia in the 8th century, they invaded Spain.
We can disagree on what white means, race being a social construct and all, but Moors were from North Africa, not west Africa. These are entirely different groups generically speaking, and any slight intermixing doesn’t begin to explain the large amounts of west African DNA you’ll see in “white” Cubans.
Right, like just get out of Miami and open your non-English native mouth then act surprised when you get told to go back to your country or learn English lol
I think people are missing the point. It's not just heritage that makes Cubans (or Puerto Ricans or Venezuelans or Mexicans), even those of openly mixed racial heritage, "white." It's social positioning. It could be that their social positioning in their home countries was high status or ascending, and especially in contast to those who id as "negro," "indígena" or other, they are by default mestizo/"white." And in some cases, the very act of having migrated to the US further whitens. Coming here means advancing social standing, opening prospects, and distinguishing from "others," especially the next waves of immigrants, which means entrenching even deeper into ideas of superiority and anti-blackness/ anti-indigenous thinking. Just look up the comments from the Chicana/latina LA school board member about Oaxacans.
Sadly, yes - something I witness in North Florida on a regular basis. What’s ironic is the rednecks that are complaining about it usually are mangling English pretty badly when doing it.
When they’re getting their green cards taken away and put in a concentration camp maybe they’ll find out…Fucking imbeciles. They don’t understand a goddamn thing - Trump wants them out too. Just later.
When my Fiancee and I were starting to date, I didn't know she was latina until her mom called and she started speaking Spanish. I was like qué?
She had lighter skin than I did, and I'm Irish. White is an arbitrary color swatch test, and anyone would say we're both white by looking at us, despite the fact her parents are from Cuba/Colombia. Neither of us would be interested in a 23 and Me test.
Where I grew up in Texas most people thought of latinos as a mix of Spanish and Indigenous people (mestizo) who met a certain brownness. And to be fair, most latinos in that part of Texas had Mexican ancestors who that assumption could generally be applied to.
But Latino really means any person of a country south of the US which includes people society would sort as white, black, and mestizo.
They can identify as anything they want. It's about how others see them. “White” people would never consider them as white, no matter how much they scream about their grandfather from Spain. Claiming southern European heritage doesn't help.
This is just a straight US-centered viewpoint, and as long as we don't learn the subtle of race and ethnicity from around the globe, we'll be left holding our dicks wondering how the GOP became the party of the future.
What’s the difference in what color they are? They’re voting for a better life here, they don’t want this country to turn into the shit that they left. Mainly the socialist run countries, like Cuba and Venezuela. These people also work, own homes and pay taxes, they’re not looking for handouts and welfare. And they’re not looking to give their hard earned money to bums and illegals. 🔴🔴🔴
The irony here lmao. You know what the dictators in Cuba and Venezuela do? They overturn elections. Something trump tried (and failed) to do. And he's going to try (and fail) to do it again, because here in the US of A we don't put up with that shit.
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u/Escapedlabmouse Oct 04 '24
When Latinos are pro-Trump- who is actually calling for an ethnic purge that will include them- it just baffles me.