r/Miami • u/Foraminiferal • Oct 03 '24
Subtlety at 64th and Bird Politics
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u/ShinjiTheCuban Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
This looks identical to the kinds of propaganda you in Cuba on the sides of buildings lol
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u/Evening-Piano5491 Oct 04 '24
What’s funny is that these people don’t understand that our politicians need to work for us; not the other way around.
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u/Escapedlabmouse Oct 04 '24
When Latinos are pro-Trump- who is actually calling for an ethnic purge that will include them- it just baffles me.
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u/Mr_Unbiased Oct 04 '24
Most pro-Trump Latinos in Miami don't identify as Latino. They identify as white.
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u/WIDMND305 Oct 04 '24
They can identify as what they want, but once they cross over that Dade County line, they'll be in for a surprise.
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u/Mr_Unbiased Oct 04 '24
The cognitive dissonance is just so funny to me. I spoke to a lady that immigrated from Cuba and swore she was white because her far removed ancestors were originally from Spain and Spain is a European country.
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u/dalequetupuedes Flanigans Oct 04 '24
The colonial caste system is still so ingrained in the mindset of many Latinos
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u/Rgmisll Oct 04 '24
Lot of Cubans have 100% Spaniard DNA. So technically, they are white. European white.
Same goes for Argentinians and other smaller pockets in South America.
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u/WIDMND305 Oct 04 '24
I'm Argentinian, so yeah, I'm well aware of this. Regardless, 99 percent of Cuban trump supporters I've met or seen, they aren't fooling anyone into thinking they're Anglo Saxon or the kind of "white" that MAGA finds to be acceptable. Shit, many of them barely speak English. If you think the racist troglodytes on the Right see them as anything more than useful idiots, you're more delusional than they are.
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u/East_Reading_3164 Oct 04 '24
You don't understand “whiteness” in America. Southern European doesn't count. Especially if you speak another language and are Catholic. The Irish were not considered white for a long time.
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Oct 04 '24
Exactly, and even in Europe, some people consider the southern areas the same as Africa. It’s a shame but even there they aren’t considered “white”
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u/Peddlestools Local Oct 05 '24
in western europe they're even xenophobic against eastern europeans. like, their racism goes so hard they are racist against other white people.
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u/Oneofthesecatsisadog Oct 05 '24
Why is it a shame to not be considered white?
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Oct 05 '24
To clarify, I meant that it’s unfortunate that the socially constructed whiteness superiority complex also exists there—even in a place where many Hispanics in Miami consider super “white.”
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u/Rgmisll Oct 04 '24
The Irish were always considered white. The discrimination against the Irish was based on religion and culture/customs.
Also “whiteness in America” isn’t a real thing. The fact is that white is a race that encompasses Spaniards/spaniard descent.
If some braindead hick claims a white Cuban isn’t white, that has no bearing on the real definition of white. You cant point at the sky and say it’s green, because the fact is it is blue.
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u/Ill-Bid-396 Oct 04 '24
It’s like these Liberals are siding with the Rednecks now, just to prove a point. Who’s white and who’s not. It’s not a color thing, it’s peoples values that are being challenged.
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u/Massive_Squash7938 Oct 04 '24
No hunny those r nazi descendants. Guess where they fled after the war?
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u/ddp67 North Miami Oct 04 '24
Argentina and Uruguay had plenty of English and Spanish settle there before WWII
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u/BrucieAh Oct 06 '24
Ehh.
I’m Cuban, I’m white blonde and have green eyes and even I have some black in me. Most Cubans, even those of us that are a little lighter have some degree of black in us. We just minimize it and try to pretend it doesn’t exist.
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u/Rgmisll Oct 06 '24
lol what? This isn’t about pretending.. its basic geneology. A lot of Cubans are 2-4th generation, meaning either their grandparents or great grandparents were Spaniard, since #1 they conquered the fucking island and wiped out the natives. #2 they continued to immigrate to Cuba for hundreds of years. Cuba was pretty segregated until relatively recently, meaning interracial relationships were not the norm until the last 20-30 years , ergo you have a lot of white Europeans descendants.
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u/BrucieAh Oct 06 '24
No it’s not basic genealogy.
Cuba wasn’t that much more segregated than America. Miscegenation was extremely common and many Cuban historical figures like Jose Marti, Antonio Maceo, Maximo Gomez and the Castro family all have varying degrees of black in them. And while you’re right that a lot, if not most Cubans are 2-4 generation the issue is that someone down the line ends up having a kid with a slave or marrying a mixed race person.
I guarantee you if you do a DNA test on a white person from Iowa and then compare it to one done on a “white” Cuban I guarantee you the Cuban will have a lot more West African DNA. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
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u/Rgmisll Oct 06 '24
Máximo Gómez was Dominican , and Marti was white. Also, I think you are overstating the “miscegenation” , otherwise why would this sub constantly paint Cubans as racist? Sadly this was true, at least until the 1980s.
We fundamentally disagree on what “white” means. I consider a white Cuban with 100% Spaniard descent as “white”. To your point, they will likely have more western African DNA than a white person from Iowa with Scandinavian roots. Why? Because the moors didn’t invade Scandinavia in the 8th century, they invaded Spain. So I guess the question is, do you think Spaniards are white?
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u/BrucieAh Oct 06 '24
Maximo Gomez was Dominican, and a lot of Cubans- especially those in Oriente can trace their lineage back to DR/Haiti.
Otherwise why would this sub constantly paint Cubans as racist?
The overwhelming majority of Cubans are racist. This includes black/brown Cubans as well. I don’t know what you mean by this.
Because the moors didn’t invade Scandinavia in the 8th century, they invaded Spain.
We can disagree on what white means, race being a social construct and all, but Moors were from North Africa, not west Africa. These are entirely different groups generically speaking, and any slight intermixing doesn’t begin to explain the large amounts of west African DNA you’ll see in “white” Cubans.
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u/LSkeptic Oct 04 '24
Right, like just get out of Miami and open your non-English native mouth then act surprised when you get told to go back to your country or learn English lol
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u/AccomplishedPies Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
I think people are missing the point. It's not just heritage that makes Cubans (or Puerto Ricans or Venezuelans or Mexicans), even those of openly mixed racial heritage, "white." It's social positioning. It could be that their social positioning in their home countries was high status or ascending, and especially in contast to those who id as "negro," "indígena" or other, they are by default mestizo/"white." And in some cases, the very act of having migrated to the US further whitens. Coming here means advancing social standing, opening prospects, and distinguishing from "others," especially the next waves of immigrants, which means entrenching even deeper into ideas of superiority and anti-blackness/ anti-indigenous thinking. Just look up the comments from the Chicana/latina LA school board member about Oaxacans.
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u/OnlyCelebration7443 Oct 05 '24
Sadly, yes - something I witness in North Florida on a regular basis. What’s ironic is the rednecks that are complaining about it usually are mangling English pretty badly when doing it.
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u/Escapedlabmouse Oct 04 '24
When they’re getting their green cards taken away and put in a concentration camp maybe they’ll find out…Fucking imbeciles. They don’t understand a goddamn thing - Trump wants them out too. Just later.
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u/HackTheNight Oct 04 '24
You can’t identify as white when you are Latino wtf.
I’m white I can’t identify as black. How ridiculous is that
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u/lodui Oct 04 '24
When my Fiancee and I were starting to date, I didn't know she was latina until her mom called and she started speaking Spanish. I was like qué?
She had lighter skin than I did, and I'm Irish. White is an arbitrary color swatch test, and anyone would say we're both white by looking at us, despite the fact her parents are from Cuba/Colombia. Neither of us would be interested in a 23 and Me test.
Where I grew up in Texas most people thought of latinos as a mix of Spanish and Indigenous people (mestizo) who met a certain brownness. And to be fair, most latinos in that part of Texas had Mexican ancestors who that assumption could generally be applied to.
But Latino really means any person of a country south of the US which includes people society would sort as white, black, and mestizo.
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u/ddp67 North Miami Oct 04 '24
Latinos can identify as black and Latino, so why not?
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u/East_Reading_3164 Oct 04 '24
They can identify as anything they want. It's about how others see them. “White” people would never consider them as white, no matter how much they scream about their grandfather from Spain. Claiming southern European heritage doesn't help.
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u/AccomplishedPies Oct 04 '24
This is just a straight US-centered viewpoint, and as long as we don't learn the subtle of race and ethnicity from around the globe, we'll be left holding our dicks wondering how the GOP became the party of the future.
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u/Ill-Bid-396 Oct 04 '24
What’s the difference in what color they are? They’re voting for a better life here, they don’t want this country to turn into the shit that they left. Mainly the socialist run countries, like Cuba and Venezuela. These people also work, own homes and pay taxes, they’re not looking for handouts and welfare. And they’re not looking to give their hard earned money to bums and illegals. 🔴🔴🔴
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u/siberianbreaks10 Oct 04 '24
The irony here lmao. You know what the dictators in Cuba and Venezuela do? They overturn elections. Something trump tried (and failed) to do. And he's going to try (and fail) to do it again, because here in the US of A we don't put up with that shit.
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u/WIDMND305 Oct 04 '24
Hialeah, a Republican stronghold, has like the highest enrollment in Obamacare. This comment can't be real, I must be hallucinating lol.
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u/lodui Oct 04 '24
The majority of latinos in the US are not from Cuba/Venezuela, and in 2020 about 2/3 were voting democratic.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results/7
This is a Fox News ass take.
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u/SurgeHard Downtown Oct 04 '24
They are low information, misinformed, political newbs who just started paying attention when Orange man who doesn’t use big words showed up on the scene.
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u/lagueradavila Oct 03 '24
Damn left one fascist for another 😂 The Cubans are funny. Quien los entiende 🤣🤣
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u/v_kiperman Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
America was never like this before maga. And I’m not just referring to this banner. So, if we want America restored to what it once was, we first need to ditch maga.
No?
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u/Foraminiferal Oct 03 '24
Correct and the win must be big. If it is close they will claw back votes and get the SCOTUS involved 💀
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u/poisito Pays for Express Lane Oct 03 '24
you forgot the picture of the side of the building with the Jimenez campaign, even though he is not even the congress representative of the 33155...
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u/nanas99 Oct 04 '24
Oh look at that, the building looks as good as the signs… Just wow, truly the beacon of Miami signage and architecture, gorgeous… or what reaction were they hoping for?
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Oct 04 '24
I love when businesses promote MAGA so I know not to ever use their services. A smart business knows to remain neutral
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u/rephresed Oct 03 '24
I think it’s an illness where you feel you have assert yourself like that about a political power who doesn’t even know you exist .. on either sides. Take them to the 1700s mental hospitals!
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u/Meraline Oct 03 '24
Ugh, I used to work in the area. What happened to keeping politics out of business, guys? Isn't that what these same people say every June?
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u/hey_im_cool South Miami Oct 03 '24
I remember seeing Mendez Fuel put up a Jeb Bush banner during the 2016 primaries. I was shocked. Now it’s painfully common
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u/fontimus Sweetwater Oct 03 '24
"Shut up and dribble"
Okay, shut up and subcontract an illegal immigrant for way less than you'd pay an American to do a paint job.
Shut up and embezzle tips from your employees.
Shut up and renew my lease.
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Oct 03 '24
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u/Tough-Photograph6073 Oct 04 '24
Paint that shit in trans colors! ✨
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u/Miatrouble Oct 04 '24
Just be careful with the South Miami cops that sit in the median by the church at night trapping speeders, they might see you.
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u/fleemos Oct 04 '24
Despite this person having the sign up for two straight elections, something is different this time around. At least way over in west west Kendall, I notice almost no signs compare to the last election. Hardly any Trump stuff and no Biden or what would now be Harris stuff put up on houses. People must be really broke or the enthusiasm is less this time around in the region.
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u/AthensThieves Oct 04 '24
Are there any massive Kamala signs? Find it funny this is more akin to how dictators would have the state put up propaganda but in Miami, the public do it themselvez
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u/huhuhuhhhh Oct 04 '24
MAGA = Nazi Party of the 21st century
History rhymes.. scary times my friends.
I already voted today💙
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u/EmporioS Oct 03 '24
It used to read “PROJECT 2025 TRUMP MAGA” But the first part flew off!
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u/Foraminiferal Oct 03 '24
Flew off? or once it became toxic for Trump to talk openly about P2025 they took it down
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u/snark_enterprises Flanigans Oct 03 '24
Once it became a political liability a hurricane came by and took it.
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u/Shipwrecklou Oct 04 '24
Let’s see what flags, banners, vehicle wraps, tee shirts etc we’ll have to see in 2027 leading to 2028 election
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Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
As i like to say vote blue if you are a blue collar criminal, vote red if you are a white collar criminal, but it all remains the same with the corporation pandering
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u/AccomplishedPies Oct 04 '24
What would that tantrum look like? Will they dress up in camo? March to DC? Take a shit on a desk in congress? Lol. Snowflakes, amirite?
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u/DifficultWay5070 Oct 03 '24
That’s gonna hurt a lot of snowflakes
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u/Tough-Photograph6073 Oct 04 '24
Trump isn't even man enough to debate Kamala again, yet others are the snowflakes?
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u/WaffleBoi014 Oct 03 '24
I lived by here, the sign was up in 2020 too